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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:51 PM Original message |
Wes Clark an instant millionaire with no personal risk - start spinning! |
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LuminousX
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good for him |
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Auntie Bush
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. "Good for him", hey, that is just what I thought! |
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TexasSissy
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
139. Yes, good for him! We want a winner in the WH, not like * who failed |
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SahaleArm
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. John Kerry spent 19 years fighting for lower taxes on unearned income... |
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JPJones
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. He only made $1.2 million on a $3.3 billion deal? |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. No |
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JPJones
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I know it's hard to believe |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Please don't try to make this sound OK. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. But making millions |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Oh dear |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Yes. Edwards got a % of the money he got for people who deserved it. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Sure |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Actaully, yes. Working hard for people who need it. Helping to transfer |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. I really can't |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. The Helms machine said the machines were broken in black neighborhoods. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Ok |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. What does it have to do with anything? Edwards is a hero. |
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MariaS
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #99 |
110. A Hero |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Read DU -- sounds like he is putting himself in harms way. Tell JFK family |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. *test* |
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MariaS
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #113 |
140. Sorry |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. For emphasis: RFK, lawyer, fought against corporatocracy. Hero? |
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bowens43
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
49. You're getting desperate. |
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returnable
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Say what? |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. lol |
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returnable
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
50. You make it sound like Edwards' wealth... |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Edwards has a great portfolio |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. And I'm sure he's signing over those dividend checks... |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. check it out, it's worth a look |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Every penny invested originally from EARNED INCOME taxed at HIGHEST |
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bearfartinthewoods
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
88. and his plan would up the taxes on his 'unearned' income |
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returnable
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
126. Yep. Just like Clark's plan... |
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abburdlen
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
68. Research shows |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:13 PM Original message |
*Duck* |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. If that's true, why did a jury listen to experts and decide otherwise? Why |
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abburdlen
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I could argue |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
93. All the facts were available to each side. If the jury bases their |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Not channeling the baby's spirit would have been an option |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. Good on you for buying the Republican judge's spin to reduce the award |
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JPJones
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. BAMMMMMMM |
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bowens43
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Let's see Edwards helps people get compensation |
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returnable
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Huh? |
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democratreformed
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. I can't help it. I have to ask. |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. The standard compensation for the lawers is 33% |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Which they pay taxes on at highest rates. The client pays no taxes on |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. AP: Edwards is worth more than Clark |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. He did not make an investment - he got a "loan" with no payback/no risk |
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Renew Deal
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. What law did he break? |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. This is how Bush made money to run for president, by the way. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
127. Nice to answer the question. |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Proof of what? That Bush rode stock options and connections into the white |
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Renew Deal
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #131 |
136. Yeah OK |
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JPJones
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. You're right, it wasn't an invesment |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
73. What "work" do you think Clark did on that board? |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Try harder |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Nice work, if you can get it. |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. No, being really really smart and |
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mikehiggins
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Political career? I thought Clark had no political career? |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. LMAO. I doubt Clark brought anything |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Can your argument be any more conspiratorial and without facts? |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. And renting ones connections makes the most cents - and dollars! |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. Thanks for that, I just want to add something else |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. Are you serioulsy arguing that corporate boards are used today for some- |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. I will make it if you want me to |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I'm not arguing Clark is bad. I'm arguing that the system is bad, and that |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. You and I certainly tend to see stuff different |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. My main argument: not enough contrast to what's really going wrong with |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. You beat everything you know it Barney |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Are you saying I shoud be quet or else I'll drive people away from Edwards |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #102 |
112. There are ways to support your candidate without |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I'm barely addressing Clark personally. I'm criticizing the corporatocracy |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. Post 73 and 83 |
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. ...wanted mostly for his connections, I'm sure. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. Super. Get back to us when Edwards divests himself... |
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mikehiggins
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. Ahh, grasshopper. You are approaching true enlightenment |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:39 PM Original message |
Yeah. Go run against Bush on THAT message. It's not what you know... |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Have you noticed yet |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Maybe he'll go back to doing this after he's done |
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mikehiggins
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
107. According to Clark, he's going to try and get a teaching gig |
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bearfartinthewoods
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
98. was t5his during his lobbyist phase? |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #98 |
125. yes, in 2001 Clark was a retired General and registered Lobbyist |
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Jerseycoa
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. Not exactly, mom |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Edwards worked for every dollar he got. Why was Clark on that board? |
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JPJones
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Is this work? Or scary? |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. That's actually how I feel about his candidacy. He's speaking for me. |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. because the jury was clearly more swayed by emotional manipulation |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. You're criticizing the American judicial system and juries? Now I've heard |
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LandOLincoln
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
135. I work with ob/gyns and I'm sorry to say Edwards has a very |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
81. Try even harder |
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
117. I'd love to read the article. |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Post 71 as I said above |
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Renew Deal
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. You support a guy |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Juries disagree. Which of Edwards's clients lied (by the way, lawyers dont |
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
138. They argue the law to their advantage. |
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Qutzupalotl
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Then he'll be increasing his own taxes if elected. |
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Tweed
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. General Clark's probably got more money then he's ever had in his life |
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BeyondGeography
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Clark made well under $100k/yr. for most of his 34 yrs in the Army |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. including value of perqs (cars and housing) he probably did pretty well. |
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LandOLincoln
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
89. Perks? Cars? Housing? You would think so, wouldn't you? |
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #89 |
122. All well and good, and I'm totally impressed by Wes Jr. I saw hims speak |
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LandOLincoln
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #122 |
141. The last 12 years?? Clark left the Army in 2000. |
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Auntie Bush
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. Actually that should have said well under $50,000 |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
69. He made over 90K his last couple years, and he would have gotten |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Someone stole the damn golf course?? |
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mikehiggins
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. No, silly, The Mercedes Benz, which is part of the infrastructure of |
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Auntie Bush
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
108. Read your own heading |
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
8. And about time, too |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Clark, Dean, Kerry and Edwards are millionaires |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Some earned it by working for it. Others got gifts, inheritance and con- |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. is there anywhere I can search for Edwards' portfolio? n/t |
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abburdlen
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Of course |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. here's one link: |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
91. don't knock folks that get money from trust funds |
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AP
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. I'll concede the Trust Fund Baby vote. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. Sweet! |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. I must admit you guys are good |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Besides making a wise investment |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Read the article - he made no investment at all |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. So as I understand it |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. That's just lame. |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I'm pissed at Clark |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. In order to be "pissed" at Clark |
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Well then you are pissed for no reason. |
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Joe the Revelator
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Did you just fit every RNC Clark talking point... |
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Julien Sorel
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Why we lose. |
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BootinUp
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. there is *some* truth to that |
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Julien Sorel
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. No, it's that ours are more paranoid, arrogant, and stupid. |
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returnable
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
55. Oh, boy |
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in_cog_ni_to
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. Well, |
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democratreformed
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. How about this one |
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mmonk
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Fri Feb-06-04 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. wow |
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mikehiggins
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
62. Congratulations! The Fortune smear found at least one set of ears. |
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OKNancy
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. And here it is |
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mikehiggins
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. Thank you, OKNancy. We aren't afraid of the truth, even if it is not |
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Tom Rinaldo
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
65. How many of you, like me, had radical friends playing the market in 1999? |
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jpgpenn
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
70. After 34 years of devoting his life to our country..... |
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Uzybone
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
96. Much ado about nothing |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
105. This is like tying 2 cats tails together - but where's the Kerry group? |
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Carl Spackler
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Oh, also goodbye |
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Auntie Bush
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Fri Feb-06-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #106 |
119. And good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out! |
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maddezmom
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #106 |
133. banned? for what? n/t |
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Jerseycoa
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
130. This man served his country for 34 years |
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HoosierClarkie
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
134. with no personal risk? |
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