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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:54 PM
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Can someone please tell me when Kerry won the nomination?
The way everyone is talking here, Kerry is the Democratic nominee. Did I miss something? only 10% of the primary has been cast.

Yes I am against Kerry & until the nominee is actually picked I will be against Kerry.

We have dead soldiers because of IWR, people say that Bush would have did it without Congress anyway. So? let him Kerry gave credence to the argument, for being a vet he should be ashamed of himself!

Kerry came right out and said he is against the MA Supreme Court ruling, I'm Gay! Fuck the civil union bullshit! I don't play 2nd fiddle to anyone! I am equal period end of sentence!

If by the slimmest of margins Kerry is the nominee I will at that time make my decision on what I will do. Until the nominee is chosen I will call him on what I think he did wrong & why I don't think he should be President. You can take that to the bank!
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:55 PM
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1. The media told us and then people fell in line sig pic says it all
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:00 PM
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8. Your thoughts are being herded.
You need to put something like "Your thoughts are being herded. Become a stray." under that. Then I could steal it from you.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:06 PM
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16. will do
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:31 PM
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24. Can I steal that?
It needs a "Please Distribute Widely" on it. We are liable to get locked for bandwidth theft.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:56 PM
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2. you're right
the media has coronated Kerry like they coronated Bush four years ago. They also say Dean hasn't won a single primary--forgetting that he actually won the first primary in DC a month ago--a diverse state where the minority is in the majority--they paid no attention then, so I guess it is the reason why they don't now.

It is not over until someone has the delegates to nominate.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:05 PM
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14. Is coronated a word?
Just curious.

Remember that DC didn't include all the candidates.

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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:10 PM
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18. re: "Is coronated a word?"
"Remember that DC didn't include all the candidates."

Neither did Iowa and a couple of other states that Kerry won. Are we going to dismiss those, too...?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:08 PM
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17. Damn, I keep forgetting about D.C. too
Sometimes you are in the media's grasp and don't even know it.

:scared:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM
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4. Yeah, I've been chuckling at the "Barney Rubble for Kerry VP" posts n/t
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM
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5. well, late last year
before ANY votes had been cast, DU was awfully quick at coronating the Deanster.

And about that MA ruling: lemme ask you. If you were allowed to be in a civil union with your SO, would you be better off than you are today?

Incremental changes work.

Purity elects the Shrubmeister to another 4 years.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:01 PM
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9. Equal right mean equal right!
I will not take it in Incremental changes!
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM
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6. Kerry is the only one that is electable
And he has lots of recommendations. He has experience. He can beat Bush. He will change something, but I am not sure what. Just look at the polls, he can beat Bush. He is a war hero.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:06 PM
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15. here we go with that crap again
any of our democrats could defeat Bush. It used to be that Clark was the only electable candidate now it is Kerry. Bush is beatable because he has a terrible record and if you think all of these people are who are turning out in primaries and are thouroughly disgusted with Bush according to the exit polls are going to vote for Bush just because Clark, Dean, or Edwards is the nominee is wrong.
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:27 PM
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22. I am DK all the way
The electability issue completely drowned out the discussion of issues and was meant to get the herd to go to the establishment's candidate. I see it for the thought herding it is and it makes me sick because for days I asked what would Kerry do differently. The guy will not even require a paper trail on voting machines. I could off his head for that alone, as he must really think himself lofty to try that.

I will not vote for Bush. But I will not vote for Kerry either. The question before us is who is the best candidate. My own intellectual conclusion is there is no way it is Kerry. Now watch someone say, keep your eyes on the prize.

I am. I will vote for every new canditate offered for the rest of my life until the guiding principle again becomes creating the greatest common good. I am not going to be herded as the country of the people has been replaced by government for the concentrations of wealth. Kerry is not part of the solution. He is part of the problem. I am not part of a herd. There is more than one option.
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:59 PM
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7. The media picked Kerry, the same way they picked Dean n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:04 PM
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12. Media picked Dean before votes were counted. Kerry rose to #1 after.
A significant difference.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:01 PM
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10. Didn't get the memo?
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 02:02 PM by incapsulated
It seems every Democrat holding office did, the way they are coming out of the woodwork to endorse him the past week.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:04 PM
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13. But, he won some primaries. So he's the nominee.
Then again, back before there even WERE any primaries, Howard Dean was the nominee. So, as of right now, we have TWO nominees.

Is that possible? Does it go to "rock-paper-scissors" at this point? Should we bother with the rest of the primaries? What if there becomes a THIRD nominee?

Questions that need answers.... :silly:
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:11 PM
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19. Kerry's and Dean's position on gay marriage are the same
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 02:20 PM by YouMustBeKiddingMe
copied from another thread:

Kerry has been an advocate for gay rights long before Dean ever became a Govenor. The biggest difference between Dean and Kerry on this issue is the Kerry has a long history and record to back his advocacy up since the 80's and Dean didn't even take a position on gay marriage OR civil unions until it became politically advantageous for him to do so.

All of the major candidates have the same position: Clark, Dean, Kerry, and Edwards are all FOR civil unions and AGAINST gay marriage. The ONLY candidates that support gay marriage are Kucinich and Sharpton.

From Kerry's website:

A Record of Working on Behalf of Gay and Lesbian Americans

With a 100% rating from the Human Rights Campaign since 1995, John Kerry is a powerful voice in the ongoing fight for civil rights for gay and lesbian Americans.

Ending Discrimination
One of John Kerry’s first acts as a U.S. Senator, in 1985, was to introduce a bill prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. He supports passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and has adopted a nondiscrimination policy for his Congressional offices based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

HIV/AIDS Funding
John Kerry cosponsored the first Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency Act (CARE) - which represents the largest discretionary federal investment in treating individuals with HIV and AIDS. Kerry also sponsored the Vaccines for the New Millennium Act, aimed at boosting contributions to the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, a non-profit group working to promote development of an HIV vaccine in 2000. Kerry introduced the U.S. Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, TB, and Malaria Act, which would increase the U.S. government’s funding of international HIV/AIDS efforts from approximately $1.7 billion in 2003 to $1.9 billion in 2004. This effort led to the unanimous passage in May 2003 the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, TB, and Malaria Act of 2003. AIDS activists characterized Kerry as one of Congress’s top leaders on HIV/AIDS policy.

Preventing Hate Crimes
John Kerry is an original cosponsor of the Hate Crimes Prevention bill, which would extend federal jurisdiction over serious, violent hate crimes. These would include crimes motivated by sexual orientation. Hate crimes rose a disturbing 3.5% from 1999 to 2000.

Protecting Gay and Lesbian Families
John Kerry believes that same-sex couples should be granted rights, including access to pensions, health insurance, family medical leave, bereavement leave, hospital visitation, survivor benefits, and other basic legal protections that all families and children need. He has supported legislation to provide domestic partners of federal employees the benefits available to spouses of federal employees. He was one of 14 Senators -- and the only one up for reelection in 1996 -- to oppose the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

Lifting the Ban on Gays in the Military
John Kerry opposed the Clinton Administration’s “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Policy” He was one of a few senators to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee and call on the President to rescind the ban on gay and lesbian service members.

Support for Civil Unions
John Kerry supports same-sex civil unions so that gay couples can benefit from the the health benefits, inheritance rights, or Social Security survivor benefits guaranteed for heterosexual couples.


http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/glbt /


Dean, on the other hand:

Where did Dean stand on gay rights and civil unions BEFORE the court decision?:

snip from 12/20/2000

"Early assumptions following the Court’s December 20 decision were that domestic partnership is the only real plan of action. Governor Howard Dean has said on several occasions that he would support domestic partnership legislation, but is uncomfortable with the idea of actual gay marriage. Dean has recently clarified his position, declaring in a radio interview, “I’m against gay marriage.” "


http://www.mountainpridemedia.org/feb2000/news_centerstage.htm


snip

In the interview the Governor stated, "Since nothing is going to happen on this issue in the legislature until the court speaks there's no particular reason for me to take a public position on it." His attempt to link whether he makes his positions public to the actions of other branches of government is illogical and insulting. Failing any sense of responsibility on his part, the insistence of OITM and its readers' voting power should give him the "particular reason" he needs to decide to make his position public. Would environmental groups accept a refusal to take a position on clearcutting, NARAL a demur from supporting or opposing abortion, or even Wall Street a "no opinion yet" on capital gains taxes?

Clearly, Dean is either still waiting for the polling data to tell him his position, or he's seen it, and knows you wouldn't like it. But on an issue of fundamental civil rights, shouldn't "no position" or "secret position" be just as bad as the wrong position? The Governor is either with the GLBT community or he's against it. So far, he sure isn't with it.

More: http://www.mountainpridemedia.org/jul98/deanoped.htm

Where did Dean stand on gay marriage AFTER the court decision?:

“The Legislature will pass a domestic partnership bill and I’m comfortable with that,” Gov. Howard Dean said.

What was more interesting was what he was not comfortable with.

“It makes me uncomfortable, the same as anybody else,” Dean said of gay marriage. “The 4,000-year-old tradition of heterosexual marriage being an institution is something I think you have to respect. I think there are a lot of people in this state who are uncomfortable about the concept of gay marriage.”

There are thousands more who are not uncomfortable and at least some legislative leaders said they would be willing to consider enacting a marriage statute.

More: http://www.mountainpridemedia.org/jan2000/news_scyes.htm

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:14 PM
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20. It happened when the media said it happened
I may be a Dean fan, but I sympathize with the Clark supporters.

The media SUCKS.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:16 PM
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21. I think Washington state is the first test
Here is a state with a record of supporting underdogs with a fairly long caucus night system. Commited organized campaigns should do well there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:29 PM
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23. I think it was right AFTER Dean won the nomination.
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