The hidden Constitutional Amendment

[formercia]

The one the Federalists (Monarchists) don't want you to know about:

http://amendment-13.org/

The Original Thirteenth Article of Amendment
To The Constitution For The United States

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

[liberal N proud]

1. Interesting!

[formercia]

2. Speaking of which

the $450. Million that Fearless Leader accepted from the Canadian government.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. "Retain any title of nobility" like "honorary knighthood" for Ronald

Reagan and Rudy Giuliani from Great Britain?

[formercia]

4. The Knights of Malta would also fall into this category

Ship them all to Malta.

[whistle]

5. No rank or title, no king, doctor, general, knight, or any honorary

...reference that sets one apart from another, eh. Very interesting indeed. We are either all citizens or comrades, all equal.

[rogerashton]

6. If it sounds crazy, it probably is.

http://www.answers.com/topic/titles-of-nobility-amendment

[formercia]

7. Article 1 section 9

Article I, Section 9, of the original Constitution:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

[rogerashton]

8. And your point is?

This "thirteenth" amendment is distinct from, and more sweeping than, that passage. Evidently it was believed at one time, by some people, that the amendment proposed in 1810 had been ratified, but ratification was a moving target -- as more states were admitted, the number required for ratification increased faster than the ratifications did -- although, as I understand it might still be ratified. But the section you site might have been one of the reasons it was not ratified by some states: already taken care of.

The claim that the 1810 amendment was ratified has apparently been used by some right wingnuts to claim that the entire judiciary and tax system are illegitimate. Do we need this sort of sillyness on DU?

[formercia]

9. Regardless of the arguments of the validity

of the 13th Amendment, many former and current public officials are in violation of Article 1 section 9.

[NoodleBoy]

13. so which elected officials are you talking about?

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Who has accepted a "Title of Nobility," and who has accepted "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State" without the consent of Congress?

[kineneb]

16. try George

and stuff from his Saudi friends...

just a thought

[NoodleBoy]

10. er, not really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_missing_thirteenth_amendment

And your insinuation that the Founders were Monarchists is both absolutely ridiculous and insulting.

[formercia]

11. I never insinuated any such thing.

Where did you come up with that twist?

The Federalists have supported the concept of the Unitary Executive, a de-facto monarchy.

[NoodleBoy]

12. so what is this supposed to mean:

"The one the Federalists (Monarchists) don't want you to know about"

The only context I've heard the term Federalist used in is in The Federalist Papers, written by the Founders in support of the Constitution, or the Federalist Party, the first political party in the United States which many of the Founders joined.

Neither of those two groups were Monarchist in any sense.

Unless you're trying to use Federalist in a new way, which makes no sense. Anyone who considers themself an American first and a native of their state second would be a Federalist, or even anyone who's ever voted in a Federal election.

[formercia]

14. I was not speaking in the past tense, but the present

as in Federalist Society.

If you wish to argue the point, I would be glad to oblige as it pushes the thread to the top of the stack.

[shanine]

15. you mean this?

Canada Forks Over $450 Million Donation to Repugs
by ingmarz
Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 09:45:12 AM PDT

What's big news across Canada at the moment is that the Neocon Stephen Harper government will proceed with legislation to implement an extremely controversial "sellout" softwood lumber agreement with the US.

Why should this be of interest to Kossacks??

Because the deal, negotiated by Bush and his Canadian lackey, Harper will see $450 million funnelled straight past Congress and the US treasury, and will go instead, directly to the Bush Whitehouse.

[formercia]

17. Yup!

Another impeachable offense, if not bald-faced Treason.