Nader could have prevented 9/11, but decided to fight the Democrats.

[LoZoccolo]

Since the seventies Ralph Nader has been advocating that cockpit security should be strengthened, including the doors and the locks on them:

http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/001222.html

However, since 1992, he has diluted his role as consumer advocate with Quixotesque runs for president, which have served as an unnecessary distraction for both him and the Democrats who might have passed his cockpit security ideas into law.

[Bonobo]

1. What a stupid thing to say, really. So many logical flaws, so many.

[LoZoccolo]

3. "Hi, I'm Ralph Nader. I've got a good idea, but...

...I'd rather waste my time with another one that is so completely not going to work and possibly make things much worse."

That's basically the story of Ralph since 1992, not just on the cockpit security issue, but all his other ones.

[Bonobo]

6. Honestly, I'm sorry Loserman isn't a Dem anymore, but really...

[zulchzulu]

2. Muhammed could have prevented 9/11 if he hadn't started religion

Same logic...

[Dob Bole]

4. Superman could have stopped the plane, but he decided to NOT REALLY EXIST!

[LoZoccolo]

5. I didn't make up the talking point; Nader himself did.

Go talk to him if you want to call it ridiculous. He said that in 2002.

[kurth]

8. Here, people:

http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/years/2002/000024.html

(Chicago) Tribune: Would you have made an effective wartime president?
Nader: This war would never have happened had I been president, because for 30 years we have had an aviation safety group, and we have been urging the airlines to toughen cockpit doors and improve the strength of the locks, and they have been resisting for 30 years.

[Dob Bole]

10. I know...

but really, does Nader really think that a Republican congress would have passed his aviation safety rules? If they didn't while he wasn't President, why would they suddenly do it once he was?

[Cleita]

7. Couldda, wouldda, shouldda?

Ehh, the only person that could have prevented it was the sitting President of the United States at that time, George W. Bush. He chose instead to ignore the warnings while pursuing his own agenda.

[LoZoccolo]

9. Maybe you can explain to me...

...how the terrorists could have steered the plane without getting into the cockpit, which would have more likely been the case had Nader not wasted his time with (at the time) three futile presidential runs.

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[danalytical]

11. Yeah attack Ralph Nader

He's the one to blame. Come on, leave the guy alone.

[Frances]

14. Defend Ralph Nader? No Way!

nt

[acmejack]

15. It's the daily Ralph Nader attack.

There is usually the Standard Gratuitous Green Party Attack Thread as well. The poster has a somewhat shopworn repertoire.

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[Lydia Leftcoast]

16. Trying to have a better past again?

:eyes:

[bvar22]

17. WOW!!! Ralph Nader MUST be Superman!!!!

Some idiots give him SO MUCH POWER!

Ralph Nader singlehandedly knocked the wheels off the entire Democratic Party and forced them to lose the election in 2000!!!

Thats some power.

[mainegreen]

18. Attack! Attack! Attack! Attack! Attack! Attack!

Wait, why is this important?
Oh right,

Attack!

[LoZoccolo]

20. It is important to do a post-mortem on the failed Nader candidacy...

...so that no one pulls that stunt again, and if they do, no one supports it.

[mainegreen]

23. At some point you run out of corpse, and just engage in butchery...

and we ran out of corpse a long time ago here on DU.

[LoZoccolo]

24. And yet people still repeatedly threaten to vote third party. n/t

[mainegreen]

25. Because now and then Republicans run as Democrats. nt

[LoZoccolo]

26. *yawn*

Very rarely, and it's a false notion that's possibly preventing a Lamont victory as Republicans are united around Lieberman based on it when they should be more split between Lieberman and Schlesinger. They are voting for a pro-choice candidate thanks in part to the rumors spread by Lamont primary supporters. It's a useful rule of thumb that our primary candidates should not be attacked in ways which negatively affect our chance in the general election.

But yes, it's because of people who say those kinds of things that I denigrate third-party candidacies. So now you know.

[mainegreen]

27. What are you talking about? I said nothing about Lieberman!

I live in Maine. MaineGreen. Not ConnecticutGreen. Greens are not a national party. I registered green when a local dem candidate was canvassing my area. After talking with him there was no way I would have voted for him. He was a republican through and through.

[LoZoccolo]

28. Lieberman was frequently cited as a "Republican running as a Democrat".

I was just providing a concrete notion of how the notion that there are many Republicans running as Democrats is not only false, but harmful to a favored Democrat running in the general election.

[ulysses]

32. ooh! I'll never vote third party because LoZo said not to!

:rofl:

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. What does Ralph Nader do in the four years between elections?

[CarlVK]

21. Oh for christs sake what a stupid post.

When will you guys get off Nader and the Greens? You are after the WRONG boogiemen. Stay focused on the real culprits and stop this divisive bullshit.

[CarlVK]

22. This thread is PURE FLAMEBAIT

[Ignis]

29. No surprises there.

You can expect at least one thread per week on this subject from this poster.

Some people just miss having the Weekly Witch Burnings, I guess. The rest of us have moved past the Dark Ages. Your mileage may vary.

[depakid]

30. errr.... Nader didn't run until 1996

Which was after Clinton and the DLC's repeated pandering to the right-

Remember the Telecommunications Bill- thatwas a real beauty for the part. How about Welfare deform- financial deregulation and logging without laws (the Salvage Rider).

Those are the reasons that Nader gained his votes- and it's also why the Green Party rose from irrelevance to become what some people think is just a spoiler.

Easy way to deal with that of course: take away their raison d'etre. Stand up for traditional Democratic Values again.

[LoZoccolo]

31. You're right; he didn't. I apologize.

He did, however, organize a campaign for people to write in that they didn't like any of the candidates, which is effectively the same thing, and still a waste of time. Every minute he spends on these campaigns is a minute he isn't doing something else.

[LittleClarkie]

33. I hope you packed a sandwich

because that was a long way you had to go to make that point.

[BoneDaddy]

34. Wow

That is a stretch.

[ulysses]

35. right, because, after twenty years of beating that drum,

the Dems were finally ready in 1996 to pass that legislation...

:freak:

Streeeeetch that logic! Feeeeeeel the burn!

[Bjorn Against]

36. This is the most ridiculous argument I have heard in quite some time...

My god I have seen freeper posts that use better logic than this one.

If the Democrats were going to put legislation forward to strengthen cockpit security why did they not do it during Clinton's years? Do you have any evidence that they were going to put such a bill forward as soon as Gore took office?

That is not to cast blame on the Democrats by any means, it is merely to point out a major flaw in your logic.

I don't always like Nader's tactics, but he is not responsible for 9/11 and to suggest otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.

[ProudDad]

37. Don't feed the trolls

[AlienGirl]

38. Locking