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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:06 PM
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Tired of the status quo?
Supporter of candidate x: "I will not support candidate Y because he is nothing more than a supporter of the status quo. Now is the time to make some real change and take back America".

Supporter of candidate y: "I will not support candidate X because he is nothing more than a supporter of the status quo. Now is the time to make some real change and take back America".

Hey everybody, I'm all up for some groundbreaking, positive change for our country. There are tons of great ideas. Now is not the time for them. If this were some hum-drum election where there really was no difference between the Repub and the Dem, then I'd be all for promoting something new to overhaul America.

Now is the time to stand up for the status quo. If we don't get Bush* the hell out of Washington, by the time we're finished with him (and preparing for 8 years of Jeb) the status quo of today and the Clinton years will be nothing but a comparatively fond memory. The people of America are not ready to have their world shaken up by a bold progressive agenda. Supporting the "status quo" against Bush is pretty damn good, if you ask me. Now is the time to get behind ABB and stop all this bickering. I'm totally sick of it. I have my favorite, but I'd support all of them. This is not the time for revolution, this is the time for counter-revolution. The revolution we are fighting is Bush's conservative agenda. This is not the time to overhaul America, we are preventing it from being overhauled by Bush, his crazy cronies and whoever he would appoint to the supreme court. Maybe after we stem the bleeding we can move forward. Later.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:11 PM
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1. The irony here is
The irony here is that Bush doesn't have a "conservative" agenda. He and the neocon cabal are radical corporatist/fascist.

Guess what? We're the reactionaries now.

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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:01 PM
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3. Funny, I never thought of myself as reactionary.
I always thought I was pretty normal until this admin and its media started telling me how loony I am. Frankly, their power really scares me.
When will it be time to fight? After all is lost? It's a scary thought - having to fight for our rights and freedoms against something with so much power.

All the crap being spewed by this administration makes me feel kind of disjointed and kind of apart from reality. How I wish some of this stuff really was a dream.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:23 PM
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2. Another round of "good cop, bad cop" doesn't interest me.
Telling Americans the honest, disturbing truth about:

the 2000 "election"
9/11
the Patriot Act
the anthrax attack
the 9/11 "investigation"
black box voting
the hugely irresponsible government growth under Bush
the ridiculous tax giveaways for the rich
Iraq
the regressive nature of FICA

is what interests me.

I won't vote for a candidate who plays by the same corporate media and pink tutu Dem rules that enabled Bush to hijack this country.

We need to hear some unvarnished TRUTH from our candidate and we need to hear it NOW. Playing nice in another vain effort to woo people who might be "disturbed" by the disgusting truth doesn't interest me in the least.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:04 PM
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4. I agree.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:08 PM
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5. Yeah! Give me back my status quo, please!
Right now I'm living in an altered universe called PNAC Hell. I wanna return to the good old goofy and flawed, but fun and free as a bird USofA!! :cry:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:33 PM
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6. One huge flaw with your thesis
And that is according to the Democratic Party and those who are vested in the status quo, there is NEVER a good time to bring about change. If it isn't because there is a 'Pug president to unseat, then it is because we have mid term elections coming up. Or because we have a Dem president to re-elect. Or we have important legislation we have to rally around. Or we have a president we have to rally around because he is the victim of a witch hunt. And on and on ad nauseum.

Well, enough is enough, it is time to change the status quo NOW, though it brings the heavens down around us. I've been listening to these excuses and delays and pious mouthings all of my life, and all that these things did was allow big biz eat away at both parties so much so that in the end BOTH parties, 'Pugs and Dems, are thoroughly, completely, corrosively corupted.

There is a time for change and that time is NOW!

Don't hold the Bush boogie man over my head, he has no power. The changes that he can possibly effect in the next four years are no worse than the changes that a DLC Dem will effect with eight years in power. Voting for a corrupt, compromised Dem only means a change in the speed with which we approach the cliff edge, it doesn't mean we won't go over. If you honestly look at the Clinton administration, it is obvious that his agenda, his accomplishments would have been considered to be those of a conservative forty years ago. Fiscally conservative, financially in the pockets of Wall Street, Clinton systematically set about to destroy the financial security of the very Democratic base that elected him. NAFTA, GATT, WTO, the list is endless. And as far as social programs go, the best that Clinton could do was pay lip service to those core issues that are at the heart of his Democratic constituents. He was, in the final measure, the poster child for the triumph of the two party, one corporate master system of governing that we see today.

So what if Bush wins. Even if I lose my job, my home, everything that I hold dear, I would still be no worse off than I was twenty six years ago, broke and homeless in Carter's America. In fact if we are going to have this train wreck, then quite frankly, the sooner the better. For then the people in this country will finally wake up from their stupor and wrest back our government from the clutching grasp of the corporate whores on both sides of the aisle. Then and only then will this country truly be able to be a land of life, liberty and justice for all.

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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:39 PM
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7. * IS the boogeyman.
If you haven't figured that one out, then you're on an entirely different page than me.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:56 PM
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10. And that is the same line that has been used for thirty years now
"We can't reform now, Nixon is the boogeyman"
"We can't reform now, Ford is the boogeyman"
"We can't reform now, Reagan is the boogeyman"
"We can't reform now, Bush is the boogeyman"

And everytime enough people were scared and cowed and off went the herd to vote as their corporate masters wished them to do. And everytime after the boogeyman was defeated, poof, off those promises of reform went. Conviently forgotten until the next time they were needed.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!

I've lived through hell, it scares me no more. And quite frankly if it means that every single person going through hell, so be it. It would be worth it, for then enough people would be shaken out of their TV induced slumber to go out and take back our government from the clutches of the corporations.

What part of "two party, same corporate master" do you not understand?

Did you realize that in the '00 election cycle over forty corporations gave $100,000 or better to EACH party. Phillip Morris topped the list, giving 2 million plus to each party. You know what you call that? Hedging your bets, and the corporate masters are experts at it, having done so for at least half of the twentieth century.

The time to act is now, if you cannot see the path that we are on will lead to disaster no matter who is in office then it is time to take off your blinders and see the truth. And may the truth set us all free.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:49 PM
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Great post. n/t
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:42 PM
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8. funny how this is said every 4 years
and nothing ever changes

:(
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:49 PM
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9. Nobody I have talked to including my parents in their eighties,
has ever experienced such a vicious and reactionary regime as this current one. Add to that the fact that illegal resident was NOT elected but APPOINTED by a corrupt majority SCOTUS, and we have something that even at first blush can only be described as a political coup. Add to that the questions surrounding what bu*shies knew and deliberately ignored regarding pre-9/11 intelligence, and the international crime known as Iraqgate, and, yes, I'd say we are in uniquely desperate times. But I guess once those rose colored glasses are on, no amount of reason can pry them off.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:21 PM
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11. Thanks for the support.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:27 PM
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12. Thank YOU for this very insightful post.
I think we are the most recent and unfortunate recipients of that old Chinese curse:

"May you live in 'interesting' times."

Yes, we have been presented with a wake-up call, but first we have to live through the night.
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