Dean would accept VP slot

[mmonk]

according to CNN.

[One Taste]

1. Interesting

:)

[papau]

37. I'd really like that - Truth Telling like Dean does it is needed!

Dean for VP!

:-)

[Casablanca]

2. Dean wouldn't be VP even if appointed.

The guy has his own mind, so he's not VP material.

[Renew Deal]

6. He's a perfect VP politically

but a horrible one geographically. He has his own mind, but his mind is not on the level of the presidency. He is close and the VP slot would make him a better person/politician.

[Casablanca]

32. He would be a lousy VP politically and morally.

Mavericks are terrible at being second-string - by definition, they have no problem with bucking the hierarchy. He'd outclass most of the other candidates with his drive and the gravitas of his ideas, so it wouldn't be a good political move.

Morally it's a bad idea because trying to lock up progressive mavericks sets the wrong social standard. That's the kind of thing fascist neo-conservatives do.

[Renew Deal]

52. Lock up?

How is he locked up. He would have his own crack at the presidency if he was a VP. I do partly agree with the first part though.

[Casablanca]

61. In the sense that Gore was locked up/made ineffective ...

In many of his pro-environmental stances by Clinton. Dean's viability is in the fact that he is willing to take politically risky positions - prime example being his stated support for the breakup of media conglomerates - and to go on record with them. A VP's job is to conform as much as possible to the front-runner's policies, apart from rhetorical flourishes that appear to round out the ticket. Dean would never have the opportunity to actually attack the consolidation of media ownership under the thumb of a politician who has never found the issue of media consolidation worth taking a stand against - i.e. Kerry.

So the idea of Dean as a VP actually adding a populist edge to the insider politics that Kerry's record clearly shows is a appealing fantasy at this stage. Appealing since Dean would have a long shot at being President as you say, but a fantasy none the less.

[TexasSissy]

46. True. Dean is a #1 kinda guy. Plus, he's been too negative to Kerry

and the others. They wouldn't want him.

There's a lesson in this: Be nice to others on your way up; those are the same people you'll meet on your way down.

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[JuniorPlankton]

3. It's hard to see what he would bring

Neither the South not Foreign Policy experience.
I like him, but I don't see it happening.

[NashVegas]

7. Short-sighted

Dean would bring the ability of someone willing to go from town to town and talk to people (as opposed to talk at) and perhaps work to try to heal some of the rifts that divide us all.

[ieoeja]

33. And he'd bring his organization.

And his fund-raising abilities.

[Eloriel]

47. Oh, no he wouldn't. Not me, anyway.

And I'll bet not all that many of the rest, either.

[Ishoutandscream]

9. Exactly, JP

You just stated what should be common sense (something that is not always practiced on this board). Welcome!

[MidwestTransplant]

19. Agreed

Moreover, if you want to be VP you are supposed to say that you wouldn't.

[ozone_man]

74. Kerry said that he doesn't need the South to win.

Don't look at me, JK said it. :-)

He would need Dean to keep him from voting for more PNAC wars. It may not be foreign policy experience, but it's common sense and spine. Dean has one, while Kerry doesn't.

[sallyseven]

4. Well of course he would. So would Edwards

Clark, Why not.

[janx]

10. So would I !

Why the hell not? :hi:

[StopTheMorans]

5. either way, I don't think that anyone would pick him as a VP

he doesn't make sense as a VP candidate.

[On the Road]

8. I Think Dean Would Make a Great VP

I will be impressed if he is actually picked. It would be excellent for the party.

[Eloriel]

50. It would be terrible for Dean

Why on earth would you want to hamstring someone like that?

Ridiculous.

[On the Road]

70. The VP Slot was Good for Al Gore

It could be good for Dean, too. Plus he gets a chance to run for Pres again in eight years.

[maddezmom]

11. who said it a repub or dem pundit? n/t

[mmonk]

13. Judy Woodruff

She said it came from Dean.

[maddezmom]

20. wow, that's surprising

wonder if we will hear a clarification from the Dean Campaign. I think he'd be a great VP for the right candidate, but have to admit I'm shocked.

[maddezmom]

59. Woodfluff was in the know

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=282953&mesg_id=282953

[BootinUp]

12. He would make a great VP

and not a bad President either.

[HFishbine]

17. Wow!

Thanks, Jim!

[mmonk]

22. I agree

[AndyP]

14. I don't think so

I think he would be a good VP, but he doesn't bring much compared to Edwards or Clark. Therefore, I don't see him as a possibility for VP

[D G]

15. I hope there's more info on this

When Clark got harangued on this a few months ago, he gave the correct answer: No, I'm running for president. Now I would like to see Clark as VP if he's not the nominee, but he did the right thing IMO: kept the focus on his presidential run.

If Dean is actually on record saying this, it's not a smart move. Don't shop for executive office until you've actually dropped out of the race, man - keep your eyes on the prize.

[Maddy McCall]

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[displacedtexan]

16. An interesting idea

but the way supporters of other candidates seem to worry about Kerry's health around here makes me worry that they would also view Dean's panic attack history (check the threads after the Iowa caucus speech) as another Dem Party weakness. Having both men on the ticket with health concerns could leave us vulnerable to attacks, couldn't it?

[NashVegas]

27. That Was Just Slings & Arrows

Used for the purpose of attacking.

Speaking as someone who lived in VT for four years (after living in a fairly sizable city) and dealt with what I prefer to call stress attacks (cause it's stress that causes it, not panic), I can say that Dean is a far stronger person than I. I couldn't take the isolation and had to get out, ASAP.

[BeatleBoot]

18. Two New Englanders?

Sounds okay to me, but Edwards, Ed Rendell, or Max Cleland goes better with Kerry.

:7

[DrFunkenstein]

21. Clark-Dean Vs. Kerry-Edwards?

Interesting calculus. I know who I'd be behind.

[maddezmom]

25. Edwards/Dean?

ya never know :)

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. I will eat the spare tire in my car if Dean is tapped as VP

I don't see this happening, for all the reasons listed in this post and more.

[Maddy McCall]

73. Me too.

I will join you in a meal of rubber du jour if Dean gets VP tap.

[GainesT1958]

24. You Dean folks just might get to see one of your earlier-mentioned....

Possibilities come true: Clark/Dean. Boy, now THAT would shake up some Washington establishment butts, wouldn't it!? :eyes:

The combined grassroots support, monetary support--and people-power--of two campaigns into one. Try and buy THAT one off, JK! :D

B-)

[genius]

26. I hope he doesn't get it.

There are much better prospects.

[OKNancy]

30. I don't know

The energy, the ideas...I think he would be fan-freaki'-tastic.
Oh please, please...make it Clark/Dean.

[lancdem]

28. Sounds like he's planning for the end of his campaign

Neither Clark nor Edwards has made that concession yet. Frankly, I think Clark or Edwards makes more sense as Kerry's VP. But that's just my opinion. :)

[mmonk]

29. He may surprise us

maybe in Washington state or somewhere.

[Jerseycoa]

43. Clark makes no sense as VP

If he is not commander-in-chief, his best contribution to a Dem administration would be State or Defense. No matter who the nominee is, even Kerry, the VP must have legislative weight. Clark is a man of action with awesome international standing. He would be wasted as VP. Cheney is only important because Bush is not too bright. None of the Dem candidates have this handicap. The VP spot goes back to what it's always been, nothing much unless the president dies.

[stickdog]

31. It won't happen.

The idea is to crush us once and for all, not to give us hope.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

36. Really why would Kerry pick someone who can't win elections

and is viewed by the American public as unfit to be President?

[EXE619K]

38. Yup.

The idea is to crush us all sans hope.

Hopefully, they will push us into going thrid party.

Dean is not a liberal, nor is he a conservative.

He fits my dream Independent candidate stature perfectly.

INDY VETERANS FOR DEAN!

[Zolok]

34. on a ticket with Kerry I doubt it...

he has been calling the Senator ten different types of sumbitch for two weeks now...seems unlikely he'll endear himself to Kerry with that attitude.
Maybe he is hoping Edwards will pick up some momentum...an Edwards-Dean ticket has all the usual bona fides.
That having been said, I doubt the validity of the report....CNN is reporting BS as usual.
:)
www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

[Straight Shooter]

35. There goes Dean, telling the truth again. When will he ever learn.

Politically speaking, one should not show any interest in becoming VP if they're running for president. But Dean apparently believes that if he honestly is interested, then he honestly should say so.

Not a game player in the political field, unless this is calculated to ferret out the other candidates' positions on "settling" for VP.

Clark/Dean, I can more than live with that. I prefer vice-versa, but both men would be a great team.

Edited for more info.

[pacifictiger]

39. one of the things I like about Dean

is his straight talk. My feeling is that he's in it for the good of the people of the US, more than personal prestige and accolades. I can certainly see him recognizing that any position is better than none, so why not say so. He did start out as 2nd fiddle to Vermont's then governor, so why might he have a hard time as VP?

[Monte Carlo]

40. The pundits are going to start asking "does he doubt his campaign?" now...

...ad nausem.

Showing even the least bit favor to accept the Veepship as a consolation prize during one's Presidential campaign is dangerous in front of our ever-nitpicky press. They are like sharks. Cut a finger in the water, they take your arm.

[mmonk]

41. he isn't giving up

I think he was just asked the question.

[pacifictiger]

42. Note, we all know that any one of them

would most likely accept the VP spot if offered, but, once again "conventional wisdom" says you're not supposed to have the nerve to come out and say that. More politicospeak.
Once again Dean is the only one with enough courage to say truthfully and straightforwardly what he really thinks.

[Monte Carlo]

44. We know, but that's not it.

There's a very fine line between courage and stupidity. Nobody likes political speak all that much, but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason for its being. Dean of all people should know how these things get filtered through the U.S. national media.

[MoonRiver]

45. Gee, how's Dean going to reconcile associating himself with all these

Washington insider 'war-mongers'?? :shrug:

[NNN0LHI]

49. Come on now. You know how the game works

No need to rub nothing in.

Don

[MoonRiver]

57. I usually try not to Don.

Sometimes I can't resist though. My bad. :spank:

[dolstein]

48. Funny, but I don't recall anyone offering him the VP slot

NT

[NNN0LHI]

51. That we know of n/t

[Snivi Yllom]

53. interesting

but it would hurt Dean's credibility

[ibegurpard]

55. would depend on who

for me to support it.

[TexasSissy]

56. Clark/Dean? Hmmm. That has a winning ring to it.

[mmonk]

58. works for me

[MoonRiver]

62. Oh, yeah.

Goooooooo General Clark!!!!

[BurtWorm]

64. Where did you get this information, mmonk? From Crossfire?

If so, your title is misleading in the extreme and I'll have to alert. Is there some other source for this story?

[maddezmom]

66. try this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=282953&mesg_id=282953

started by a fellow Dean supporter(or so the avatar says).

[mmonk]

69. Not misleading at all

Judy Woodruff said it. She works for CNN.

[Casablanca]

67. Dean/Clark would be fatal for Bush's chances of a second term.

There's almost nothing there that Bush/Rove/corporate media could effectively attack. Maybe Clark's temporary flip-flops on the war, but Clark's proven effectiveness as a military leader, and the specific criticism on Bush's handling of the war it would invite from Clark, would be devastating to Bush.

If there's a Dean/Clark ticket, Dems can just starting singing the "na na na na ..." song whenever Bush gets on T.V..

[BurtWorm]

60. Did he say this himself on CNN?

Was this part of a newscast, or was this on Crossfire?

[D G]

65. See posts #11 and #13

Apparently not on Crossfire.

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[BootinUp]

68. I think Dean is attractive as a VP

Lets face it, any one of the other candidates would love to get a majority of Deans grassroots supporters on his side.

My own opinion is that Dean would be very competent as a VP, and I have no problem with him as the 45th POTUS.

[Maddy McCall]

72. Let's see: He has called Kerry and Clark Republicans and someone please

refresh my memory on how he has insulted Edwards.

The fact that he has negatively campaigned against the top tier will keep him off the ticket (Thank you Dean for those attacks! Now we don't have to worry about you being in the VP spot!).

I am with Magic Rat: I will eat my spare tire if he gets the VP tap from ANY of the front runners right now. Thank you Dean for your series of missteps that will keep you off the executive ticket!

[texas is the reason]

75. this could be a great insurance plan for kerry..................

dean as a VP would allow the ever-calculating and response-based kerry to behave like a real liberal without having to worry about grassy knolls and small plane accidents. The corporations and the power elite will not harm a hair on kerry's head for fear of....President Dean!!!