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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:07 PM
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A Few Words for Ed Gillespie
Dear Sir:

It was with great delight that I watched your appearance on “The Daily Show” with Jon Stewart (Wednesday, September 13). The interview was interesting and full of sometimes-barbed humor, and each of you were in fine form.

However, in speaking about your new book (“Winning Right”), you said a few things which I found deeply disturbing.

There is no question that your party has been extremely savvy and well-disciplined in “marketing” George W. Bush, and your campaign strategies have proven to be successful. I take no issue with that premise.

However, the thrust of your talking points – as well as of your book, it would seem – is fraught with the concept that winning is everything, regardless of whether that victory is detrimental to our country in the long term or not.

As an American citizen, I must take issue with that. You have described Bush, recently and in the past, as an ‘ideal candidate’. And I have no doubt that you and your fellow party members saw that quality as a great advantage, and proceeded accordingly.

However, it would seem obvious that the ‘ideal candidate’ can often prove to be a disastrous president – and the events of the last six years have, unfortunately for all Americans, proven that point.

George W. Bush was not a political neophyte when he was proffered by your party as a nominee in the 2000 elections. His record as governor of Texas was well known to all of you, and it was a record of deficits and debt, environmental disaster, and policies that favored Big Business over average hard-working Americans on a monumental scale.

In short, your party was not buying a pig-in-a-poke. You knew this man’s shortcomings, and yet you chose to sell him to your fellow citizens as something you most assuredly knew he was not: a decisive and intelligent leader who could handle the challenges of running a country.

All spin aside, Mr. Gillespie, the Bush years have been a complete disaster in every area, from the faltering economy, to the distancing of our traditional allies, to a lack of national security and preparedness, to American job losses – the list is endless, as you already know. And neither of us can even pretend to ignore the elephant (you’ll pardon the pun) in the room, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that have cost so many lives, and have no hope of even a modicum of success.

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. And the statistics are there for all to see; the numbers are in, and the facts are more than clear.

I am well aware of the competitiveness of politics. Everyone wants their guy to “win”. But when your guy’s victory spells disaster for millions of Americans (not to mention millions of Iraqis, Afghans, etc.), one has to question the moral rectitude of the “winning is everything” philosophy you have so obviously embraced.

I am a Democrat, but I do not believe that all Republicans are evil. I have no doubt that there are many across the aisle who are moral, well-meaning people who have their country’s best interests at heart.

I have no doubt that any number of your party could have, and would have, been vigilant enough to prevent the attacks of September 11, 2001, would have been too honest to have lied their fellow citizens into an unwinnable war, would have been too moral to have sent our troops into battle without sufficient equipment to safeguard their lives, would have been too astute to ruin our economy, would have been too humane to have condoned torture and secret prisons, would have been too patriotic to divide the citizenry for the sake of political expediency and to promote an agenda so contrary to the Constitution our nation was founded upon.

Unfortunately, sir, you and your party members did not run such a man or woman for president. You ran G.W. Bush instead, someone you knew, before-the-fact, to be not up to the job. Someone you knew, before-the-fact, to be beholding to an ideology completely at odds with democracy itself.

So the next time you or one of your fellow Republicans deigns to question the patriotism of myself, my party, or my fellow citizens who disagree with your president and his political path of mass destruction, I would remind you that it was you, and people like you, who foisted this administration on an unsuspecting nation, completely cognizant of the inevitable outcome.

Winning is a wonderful thing, Mr. Gillespie. But before you and yours chilled the champagne to celebrate your victory, you might have considered the consequences such a victory would mean to the well-being of our nation.

To get behind a product that will cure modern day political ills such as divisiveness, mindless war mongering, poverty, bureaucratic incompetence, and the distancing of our world allies, would have been a laudable cause. But to market a product that you knew to be nothing more than snake oil, a smoke-and-mirrors government that would spread the very diseases it was advertised to cure, is unconscionable.

So enjoy the victory of having “won”, sir – as shallow and hollow as that victory has proven to be. But don’t dare to question the patriotism of others, when you have made it abundantly obvious that while you and your ilk determined to capture the ultimate prize, the health and well-being of your own country was the very last thing on your minds.

There is a difference, sir, between winning and “winning right”, i.e. a win that will secure the highest office in the land for a man of integrity and vision, and not simply a man who can be 'sold' to the gullible consumer whose buyer's remorse will be but an inside joke once the deal is closed.

I am sorry you don’t see the distinction, and your lack of being able to grasp the difference between the two has cost our nation dearly. Sadly, it is a price that will be paid for years to come.

Yours Most Truly,
Nancy Greggs
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:13 PM
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1. Some people forget that politics are supposed to benefit the people
not the "perfect candidate" or the party.

Alotta folks have lost sight of that.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:58 PM
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2. That's the way to get in Gillespie's face!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:04 PM
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3. When it comes to getting in Gillespie's face ...
... I am but a rank amateur in comparison to Jon Stewart, who REALLY knows how it's done!

I've seen too many Gillespie types in the business world. They honestly believe that 'marketing the product' is what matters -- without ever taking a look at what that product is really all about.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:11 PM
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4. You are right, Nance, "marketing the product" has become
far more important than the product itelf. Winning at all costs, regardless of the destructiveness of those costs, has become the norm, it seems, and look where we are now. An extremely fractured country, hate speech like I've never seen, a world that looks at this country more and more as a danger, two disasterous wars without end, people in the Gulf region still without the basics, or unable to return home. Well, you know the story as well or better than I do.

It is a crime what those who marketed GWB have done to this country, and it breaks my heart.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:00 AM
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11. Form over substance
is Victorian by nature. Now that's pre 9-11 thinking. Ed the Weasel gave way to Closeted Ken as head of the RNC just in time for the gay bashing campaign they now embrace. They're good at casting aspersions and short on performance. Why do they hate Americans? The lesson we should take from this is democracy is not a spectator sport. Unless we expose every deception and shout it from the rooftops things will get worse. Granted, the reich wing has their hate radio network and Pox (deliberate typo) to disseminate propaganda. They worked on building the propaganda net for years. They control the vote tabulating mechanism and defend keeping that mechanism a secret. We must press the media into asking why are our election results counted in the dark, lest we tolerate being in league with Stalin. The Republicans run on fear and loathing and the media never questions what they're saying. To their credit, Ed the Weasel and Closeted Ken are merely exploiting the exploitable and hoodwinking the morans among us. As long as Ku Klux Karl is operating unchecked, democracy is rendered quaint.
We should all be sending Nance Rants to our local and regional newspapers as examples of what good writing and critical thinking really are.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:12 AM
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5. By rights, it should be stamped with a "Best Used By" date,
and yet never actually being USDA approved, it is perhaps exempt from a deadline on its in inherent properties.

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:38 AM
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6. #5
& a kick!

:kick:

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:41 AM
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7. You've put it all out there beautifully. Thank you once again!
:toast:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:48 AM
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8. K&R...
Very nicely put.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:15 AM
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9. I've been pondering this same thing for a couple of days.
There are the endless polls pitting one potential candidate against the other, the daily tallies of how much loot each side has on hand to smear the other, the political punditry calling it like a horse race, but no one seems interested in the salient question. Is the candidate qualified? They sold their party a bill of goods in 2000, scared the bejesus out them in 2004 and this election is Groundhog Day all over again. The word of the day: truthiness. We want some.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:26 AM
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10. Thank you for articulating what had been bothering me....
I had been uneasy about that interview, but couldn't put a finger on my reaction beyond the knee-jerk "Republican = Evil", and it's corollary, "Smiling Republican = VERY Evil"...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:27 AM
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12. Great post, but I have a challenge for you:
Quoting NanceGreggs:
However, the thrust of your talking points – as well as of your book, it would seem – is fraught with the concept that winning is everything, regardless of whether that victory is detrimental to our country in the long term or not.

As an American citizen, I must take issue with that.


Couldn't agree more. We must nominate and support the best candidates, not just because they are a member of our party, but because they truly have the good of our country and people in mind.

Here's my challenge to you: The next time (and it's likely to be sometime today) that someone posts a scathing critique of the Green Party in PA for daring to run a candidate against Bob's Casey, I'd like you to remind those people that simply being a Democrat isn't enough. A candidate must support the ideals of the party if he is expecting to receive the party's votes. So, please, jump right in and tell the detractors that, in the case of Bob Casey, winning is not everything. A candidate must offer a clear and superior alternative.

Are you up to it?
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:06 AM
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16. That 'Green' candidate you speak of took REPUKE money for
his campaign. Now tell me that that is a Green with integrity. :sarcasm:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:58 AM
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18. Yes, yes, yes. We hear this whining every single day at DU.
But, if you read the thread, you'll see that the funding of his campaign -- or even the integrity of the candidate -- has nothing to do with this. We're talking about Casey and the importance of winning for the sake of winning.
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:30 AM
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20. Excuuuuusse Me!
you'll see that the funding of his campaign -- or even the integrity of the candidate -- has nothing to do with this

Excuuuuuussse, me??

So, a Green taking dirty (GOP) money has nothing to do with Integrity?? Right, right!!!

Perhaps, like Faust, in 28 years you will find the ends don't justify the means.

But..., ohhh..., that's right! Greens have been here for more than 28 years! Still, insignificant, huh?

And you (as Greens) are still not trying to (as you said) "win for the sake of winning???"

Gimme a break! If you are not trying to win to win, what are you doing? Accidentally, sinking Democrats and Progressives in races against the Fascisti GOP??

But, Ohhh! That's Right! You Greens have stolen (as in Missouri) the party name of the old "Progressive Party" to run your campaiogns under False Flags.

What is wrong with you people???? You (as a party) always put your own personal party interests above those of the Nation!

With allies like that, the true Progressives need no enemies!


That said, I give this caveat:

As individuals, I like the Greens.
As for their platform, I endorse it.

But, your leadership is as corrupt as the GOP's!

Learn something (all over again). When your home party becomes totally corrupted, bail out!

For, if you ever do win a race, you will learn that when you take the Devil's Dollar, you will have to dance the Devil's Own Tune.




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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 11:43 AM
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31. Why thank you, Galloglas! I could not have said it better myself!!
:toast:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:47 AM
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13. This is the first time I have ever disagreed with anything you've written.
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 08:48 AM by Totally Committed
I disagree wholeheartedly with this:

I am a Democrat, but I do not believe that all Republicans are evil. I have no doubt that there are many across the aisle who are moral, well-meaning people who have their country’s best interests at heart.


I used to believe this, pre-GWB, that is... Now -- NO WAY!

Every single Republican is evil. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Everyone who has voted WITH the Bushies on any of their agenda is evil. Every person who cast a vote for Bush or anyone who would support the Bush agenda in their names is evil. PERIOD. And that goes for Republicans who have a "D" after their names, too -- because that's what DINOs are.

Sick, evil, twisted, power-hungry and/or irresponsible... each and every one. Gutless, snivelling, cowering wusses, too. I've had it!

I look at the devastation done to this country by Republicans and those who have voted with them and for them, and I don't see ONE "moral, well-meaning" soul amongst them NOT ONE. Only self-interested, prideful, uninformed/misinformed, soul-less automatons willing to vote away our America for their own moment of power in her history, or the ability to be on the "winning" side.

I weep for this country. WEEP.

TC
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:51 AM
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14. Way to move the discussion forward.
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 08:57 AM by Richardo
:eyes:

Nance's paragraph set just the right tone. Those who spout "you're all evil all the time" are not taken seriously, and for good reason.


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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:00 AM
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19. Excellent post.
Anyone who gets out of the house has friends who are Republicans. My whole family votes GOP. Am I supposed to write all of them off as being evil?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 11:12 AM
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21. Well put!
:thumbsup:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:17 PM
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24. I believe anyone still supporting bush at this point is a lost cause
there is no "tone" to set with them
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 01:25 PM
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32. Don't you think it's a little over-the-top?
I mean, don't you think that's it's a little over-the-top to say that ALL Republicans are evil? I really am left to wonder if you have any concept of evil whatsoever if you can so easily resign yourself to the belief that all Republicans are evil. The world is not black or white -- it contains many shades of grey. While I believe that the vast majority of Republicans are sadly misguided, I also know that they are most definitely NOT evil. That's too far. That really is too much, and as someone said, it makes it very hard to take you seriously. That's what Bush does all the time.

I think Nance had it right... For what it's worth.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:52 AM
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15. The problem with the "winning is everything" philosophy is
that people will do anything to win which can and does led to violations of legal and moral law. If one believes that it is ok to violate the law to get what you want then not only is the thing pursued cheapened but the system we value most, our way of life is hijacked. So in the end this attitude is destructive to everyone and everything including ones personal credibility.
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rrasile Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:13 AM
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17. ‘ideal candidate’
I do agree that Bush is the ideal candidate. He's so dumb that the real dangerous people have been fucking him and he doesn't know it yet.
Remember that female lawyer that he touted as the best choice for the big court. Yea, that was one of his. How about trying to go out that pair of dummy doors, he didn't look stupid. Where else would a dummy go.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 11:12 AM
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22. Nice job, Nance...
:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:15 PM
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23. they care more about the GOP than they care about America
the GOP is still in power - that's all that counts for these bastards
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:02 PM
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25. As the late Douglas Adams wrote...
... Anyone capable of getting himself elected president should on no account be allowed to do the job.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:04 PM
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26. Good one!
And so true these days ...
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:19 PM
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27. You are wrong, Nancy, winning IS everything
And Bush was the perfect candidate for the power that be in the Republican party.

He did not, does not, have any of his own opinion. Like Reagan, he just follows the transcript. See what happens when he tries to stray from it: Bin Laden does not know the joy of Hanukkah!

Yes, you get your candidates to control the White House and Congress by any means possible, and then you can work to implement your agenda: cutting taxes to your cronies, lucrative projects to Halliburton and Bechtel, and other donors, change the tax structure so that the wealthy get to keep more of their wealth in their hands, go to war to secure oil fields - again, for your cronies. Their winning is bad as viewed by us, but great as viewed by them.

Many people here support people on the extreme that have very low chances of winning the general elections. They feel good about themselves... all the way until they lose their jobs, their health care, their pension.. but, hey, they voted their conscience.

I was not crazy about Clinton in 1992, especially when he stopped his New Hampshire campaign to run back home to send a mentally challenged convict to be executed. Did not vote for him during the primaries. But did in the general elections. Many of us are still unhappy about the "welfare reform" of 1996. Many of us still wonder how much it cost Gore, or how many good legislation did not take place because he could not keep his zipper up. Yet, there is no doubt that as a whole we benefited from his tenure.

Our candidates, unfortunately, have known to change their stand... depending on their campaign manager and on their pollsters. Remember when someone tried to make Gore "an Alpha man?"

The consultants are trying to make the candidates what they are not and it shows.

So, yes, winning is everything. Let's get our candidates - even if they are the "wrong" ones - in the White House and in Congress, so that we can repair some of the damage done by Bush and Cheney and the rest of them, before it is too late.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 05:28 PM
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28. Of course we want to win - both sides do!
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 05:29 PM by NanceGreggs
My point is that the powers-that-be, in each party, also have a responsibility, IMHO, to run not ONLY the guy they think can win, but the guy who can ALSO be a decent president once in office.

What struck me about Gillespie was his 'but we WON' mantra, and his vagueness in answering questions about what has happened since -- as though it didn't matter what Bush has done to the country.

Let me put it this way: If Gore had gone on to the presidency, and conducted his administration in EXACTLY the same way as Bush has, I'd be mightily pissed-off at my own party for 'selling' him to voters as something he was not.

The Republicans who profferred Bush KNEW his background, his association with the PNAC boys, etc. They KNEW what he would do once in office, but put winning the WH ahead of what was good for their countrymen -- and even themselves.

Yes, you want to win. Yes, you want to go with the guy you think has the best shot at winning. But there's got to be more to it than that. You don't hire the most charming guy you can find to be the CEO of a corporation if, at the same time, you KNOW that Mr. Charming is going to bankrupt the company once he has the position.

My specific point in this post is the fact that the people who constantly question the patriotism of Democrats are the same people who couldn't be bothered to look beyond the 'big win' and see that this Idiot would lead the entire nation into disaster. And the evidence was there; all they had to do was look to his record as governor to see exactly where he was at, and what he would do.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:09 PM
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29. Brillant!
another winner by you but, this is truly brillant as well.
I urge you to please sent this to Ed Gellispie. I'm sure the man will read it and think about it.
I'm sure in alone time this will creep back into his brain and raise some questions and soul searching.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:37 PM
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30. Thanks, illinoisprogressive!
And I did send it to him before I posted it here.
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