Er uh we have an election in less than 2 months, STOP THE INFIGHTING

[wndycty]

Folks I'm a little upset about some of the negativity floating around DU tonight. As we move forward from the primaries and look to the general election in less than two months we need to come together and fight the good fight. I can care less who gets credit for our victories in November, this election is not about Howard Dean, Rahm Emanuel or Chuck Schumer, its about taking back one or both of the chambers of Congress, retaining and picking up Governorships and control of legislatures throughout the country.

Rahm and the DCCC gave us Tammy Duckworth in the 6th CD of Illinois, but if she wins its a Democratic victory.

Jim Dean and DFA put Ned Lamont over the top, but if he wins its a Democratic victory.

Rahm and Howard Dean have a falling out and it appears there is now a truce, they are moving forward (at least publicly) so lets all move forward.

There is a thread tonight bitching about who is getting credit for raising more money, there is another complaining that Newsweek is praising Rahm while dissing Dean and yet another in which some posters (in response to the news that Bill Clinton is helpling the DSCC) are talking about withholding money from the DSCC for a myriad of reasons, including one poster who will not donate to the DSCC until Bill Clinton sues ABC for "Path to 9/11."

What? Are we nuts?

Folks its time to put aside all our petty bickering and whining and come together to win in November. Just remember if you are really passionate about fighting and dissing other Democrats you will have primaries in 2008 to do so.

[Monkeyman]

1. We can settle the infight later we most win this one now

Its has been time for work and lets get it done

[AX10]

2. K & R!

[Dogmudgeon]

3. TRAITOR! WHORE! TRAITOR! WHORE!

But screaming and fighting is so much more fun! And we don't actually have to do anything that would make people doubt how hip we are, like govern.

Also see the Plan to Elect Al Gore in 2008.

--p!

[wndycty]

6. See my signature for my thoughts on 2008

Pay less attention to who I'm backing (may switch to Obama) and more attention to when I think we should care about 2008.

[Dogmudgeon]

9. Oh, I agree with you

I've used the "TRAITOR! WHORE!" subject line probably a hundred times -- to lampoon the incendiaries who "absolutely won't vote Democratic until X and Y and Z and maybe even A through W."

I don't really care a whole lot who you're backing as long as it's a Democrat. Fact is, I think that most Democrats are either Good or Excellent. We need to make not just a party-wide push, but an ideological one. Anything Democratic, and anything Left of center, will be okay. Fine tuning can happen later.

Fractiousness destroyed the Democratic Party in the 1970s, just at the time when we could have seized power from the post-Watergate "moderate" Republican party. Instead, the more conservative Republicans stepped into that power vacuum, and the rest has been history -- 21 years of corrupt Republican presidents and twelve years of crippled Democratic ones.

--p!

[havocmom]

4. Do keep in mind, when fretting about fighting,

there be trolls and moles in the woods ;)

[AtomicKitten]

5. same shit, different election

the status quo is no different than it always has been, sadly

[AZBlue]

35. Totally off subject:

I mentioned before I loved your avatar, but didn't realize where your avatar came from until I went to find a H&Y one for myself! That's very funny! I love them. Constantly send out their e-cards.

OK, sorry for that brief interruption, now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

[AtomicKitten]

37. ahhh

cute guys! Takes the edge off of politics which can be brutal, especially here at DU.

Duck and cover.

[peacebird]

7. As the poster who will not donate to DSCC as a result of Big Dogs request

UNLESS he starts a lawsuit against the Path to 9/11 - let me explain.

I send money to candidates I believe in individually. I have supported Byrd, Lamont, Kucinich and many others. BUT I will NOT send money to DSCC, or DLC because their candidates frequently do not support things I believe in such as opposition to cluster bombs or the Iraq war.

I send my hard earned dollars to support candidates who support the things I believe in.

[wndycty]

10. So you are really saying that even if he sued you probably. . .

. . .would not have sent money to the DSCC anyway, you were using his letter as your personal soapbox to garner support for a potential lawsuit (which I would support), but you were never going to give to the DSCC anyway.

[peacebird]

11. No - actually if the Big Dawg sues I will send money to DSCC

He has sent out a letter asking me to send money, so if he sues (which I believe NEEDS to be done in order to stop this schlock from being taught in schools) then I will gladly do as he asks and send money.

Sorry to step on your preconceptions.....

[wndycty]

12. Why punish the DSCC if he doesn't, it makes no sense.

:kick: Bill Clinton does not do what you want so you decide to punish the DSCC, so Clinton suing is more important than winning the senate?

[peacebird]

17. I believe that Clinton suing IS important

Face it - he and the Clinton Foundation spoke up as did Albright and Berger - to do anything LESS than suing is to admit the dems are all talk no walk - just like the repukes. bush TALKS freedom and compassion and walks gulags and torture.

Until Dems are willing to take on repukes and NOT BACK DOWN, why should anyone believe they have the courage to lead?

I want our Dems to show some SPINE. Stand tall and speak the truth with strength and conviction. Don't be cowed, don't apologize. Speak the truth, and then we will win.

It is when our reps cringe, cower and apologize for speaking the truth that we lose.

[wndycty]

18. Again why punish the DSCC, punish the Clinton Foundation. . .

. . .but not the DSCC.

[peacebird]

19. he wrote asking money for DSCC

If they write me the answer would be different.

The DLC on the other hand..... :evilgrin:

[Pushed To The Left]

8. K&R!! This is extremely important!

Out here in California, Schwarzenegger looks like he will easily win another 4 years because too many Democrats won't get behind Angelides! If we want to move the country away from the far right, we have to defeat the Republicans! To do that, we need to vote for Democrats in the general election. The primaries are over. It wouldn't matter if the Democratic nominee for President in 2008 was Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, Joe Lieberman, Mark Warner, Russ Feingold, Wesley Clark, John Edwards, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Maxine Waters, Barack Obama, Barbara Boxer, or Dianne Feinstein...I WILL BE VOTING DEMOCRATIC FOR PRESIDENT IN 08!!

[madfloridian]

13. Is this thread because you are angry I posted the truth?

About fundraising?

Are you supposed to start a new thread to do that?

[madfloridian]

14. They have called Dean a poor fundraiser...he outraised them.

And I think no party should win when they say untrue things about each other.

This is amazing. It is not anyone person. It is about telling the truth.

Unity before truth you say?.

Dean has been called a poor fundraiser at least 3 times this week, and been tsked tsked about party leaders....he raised 15 million more, and deserves credit.

But the truth gets one rec...unity without truth get 9 already.

Kind of sad.

[wndycty]

15. Wah, wah, wah. . .we need to win in November damn bruised egos.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[CarlVK]

24. This is not helpful, wndycity.

And I daresay it's a little too reminiscent of an infamous graphic used against the Democrats in the 2000 and 2004 elections, showing a crying baby (the link to which is not allowable on DU).

[madfloridian]

25. It's ok, I am used to it.

I posted about the DNC fundraising, and I am called divisive.

[madfloridian]

31. If I talked to others like you talk to me.

I would be in trouble.

[madfloridian]

34. Oh, I forgot this...

you started this thread about this post of mine, and that worries me a lot.

People here think it is ok to let Dem leaders say Dean is a poor fundraiser. If I post about it, then I am the one who is wrong. That's a shame.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian

[madfloridian]

16. I apologize for posting the truth about fundraising.

It was a terribly childish thing to do.

It makes me look so silly.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Thank you. Every word of that needed to be said.

Egos and factional cheerleaders need to just shut the fuck up and get in line.

[madfloridian]

23. Even if others are not wanting the fundraising truth to get out?

Because frankly I am very tired of hearing about the DNC's poor fundraising.

I don't know who is calling whom cheerleaders and factional leaders.

I would like to know, really.

Because in my mind we hurt all of us when one is not permitted to post the truth about things and attacked when they do.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[OzarkDem]

21. Its all good

while its been a little bumpy for some, reclaiming our identity as the Democratic party is definitely a worthwhile fight and doesn't subtract from the effort. In fact, continuing to pretend that there is something inherently wrong with being a Democrat and that we should pretend to be something different only weakens us.

Standing up for the Democratic Party is helping us win and we should continue to do so.

[CarlVK]

22. If there was one omnipresent Democratic Identity, you'd have a point

but I fear we are at loggerheads over that.

One DUer wants an immediate pullout of Iraq, another wants to keep a military presence there.

One DUer thinks all religion is evil, another preaches tolerance to all ways of faith.

One DUer wants a hard line on gun regulations, another is an NRA member.

One DUer thinks Clintonian Liberalism is the way to stay the course, another thinks we need a radical departure toward a more Progressive ideology.

Democrats and Liberals are traditionally people of very diverses ideas. beliefs and passions. To tell you the truth, it's amazing to me that we can get as close as we have. Perhaps this aggrivating infighting, which is evidence of many divisions among us, has been productive in revealing what we have to fix before we can be a stronger power.

I would never trade our internal scrappiness for the GOP neo-Stalinist lockstep way. Our diversity is our strength, if only we can figure out how to harness it.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. Well .... a good place to start is to avoid pissing on each other when ...

... there are a shitload of elections to be won.

The factional fanatics are very unhelpful. Whining about who's guy got dissed and who's guy's a liar and who's guy was left out of some breakfast meeting at Denny's is just so much petty-assed bullshit.

Grab that rope and pull. All in the same direction. Put your back into it, now. Heave! Heave! Go **TEAM**. This ain't a tennis match.

[madfloridian]

27. This thread was started because of my post about DNC fundraising.

I think it is real shame people don't care about the truth of that. Or that a thread was started about it.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[OzarkDem]

30. I care about it

The Dem party has turned a corner and regained its strength, pride and identity. We should not only give credit where credit is due, but we should also make sure we don't fall back into the counterproductive ways of pretending to be GOP.

[Withywindle]

28. It's not whether you disagree, it's how you do it

I agree with you on most every point. But I read the OP's point to mean that we shouldn't be attacking and insulting each other, especially in public, so close to an election.

There's a way to disagree emphatically without calling the person you disagree with names like "sellout" or "DINO" or "freeper troll" or the like. There's a way to fight passionately for your own position without stamping your feet and threatening to leave the party if you don't get your way.

That's the kind of behavior that has always irked me, anyway. Especially when we're in a real national state of emergency and we need to fight for every bit of improvement in our situation we can get, even if it's still far short of the ideal.

[CarlVK]

29. On that, we're in agreement 100%

[JeffR]

32. Democrats are quite capable of winning

or losing. The infighting will go on regardless. The tent may be big, but it's noisy.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Would be wise...but ain't gonna happen.......

not here, anyways.

From this point on, my time goes to candidates.

I'll resume participating in the circular firing squad and the negativities after the elections. At that point, we can fight with each other till there's no one left standing......Cause in a minute, it ain't gonna matter what part of the Democratic party is doing what....cause it will the end of it. If, as bad as Georgie is....we can't win a majority after 12 years out of congressional power....then I fear that all is lost anyways.

(thank God I'm listening to Billie Holiday's "Easy Living" or else my ass would have been made crazy by now).

[AZBlue]

36. Unfortunately, it will only get worse here, the closer we are to Nov.

eom

[AtomicKitten]

38. and I hear

primaries are fun around here too

[wndycty]

39. Kick

:kick:

[AZBlue]

44. I wasn't here for the Pres primaries last time but I hear it's good stuff

Lots of love and hand-holding.
Kumbaya-singing 24/7.

[AtomicKitten]

46. s'mores and back rubs and sing-alongs - oh my

[wyldwolf]

42. Exactly. The closer the Dems are to winning...

...the louder the whining gets.

[AZBlue]

45. LOL - although I shouldn't laugh since it's true.

Are we scared of our own success????

[David Zephyr]

40. Exactly. The goal post is winning back Congress.

Thanks!

[wyldwolf]

41. Gladly, but with one caveat.

The hate some on DU have for the Democrats that I prefer is just to profound for them to give up and for me to ignore.

Their factually challenged rants and their habit of filling in the details with their imagination cannot go unanswered. Until Skinner enacts a moratorium on "Democrat bashing," I'll continue to sling it back in their faces.

on edit: Example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2833855&mesg_id=2834064

[wndycty]

43. I hear you, but its got to stop somewhere. . .

. . .you and I are pretty much in the same camp with who we like, however somebody has to be the big man or woman for the next few weeks.

[Q]

47. You're right...

...there's no sense in 'in' fighting. It's too late for that now anyway. The 'new' Democrats got what they wanted. They intentionally fractured the party and sold it to the highest bidder. They joined with certain elements of the RWing (Neocons) to neutralize what remained of the 'liberal' influence in the party.

(There are still a few high-profile liberals and progressives...but they have no power within the party).

The Democratic party as we knew it no longer exists. That's why the Right and their presidential puppet have been able to attain so much power and 'progress' for the GOP. Without a viable opposition...they can do about anything they want.

The 'new' Democrats pop up now and then to remind you to just shut up and vote for anyone with a (D) after their name...no matter how far they've strayed from the party that dominated both houses for over four decades. Shhh. Be quiet. Don't voice your concerns. It won't do you any good anyway. The Democratic party no longer belongs to the people. The DLC owns the deed.