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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 08:57 AM
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Santorum to debate the Green Party candidate he financed
Edited on Mon Sep-18-06 08:59 AM by LynneSin
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/15533634.htm

Santorum, Romanelli to debate
Incumbent senator and the Green candidate will have statewide tour. Democrat Casey won’t take part.
By RORY SWEENEY rsweeney@leader.net
Finally, Carl Romanelli will get the chance to face his competition for a U.S. Senate seat, but he’ll have to settle for debating just one of his competitors.

Republican incumbent U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum accepted an invitation from the Wilkes-Barre resident and Green Party candidate to a statewide debating tour during the final two-week push before the election Nov. 7.



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That might not matter if Casey is successful in his challenge of roughly 30,000 signatures Romanelli used to get his name on the ballot.

According to Romanelli, the judge presiding over the signature-challenge case said Thursday that if Casey’s challenges hold up, it’s “highly improbable” Romanelli will remain on the ballot.

Romanelli is disgusted with the process, saying, “What it seems to be is that the court is becoming a pawn to the partisanship. As a former officer of the court, that’s despicable.”


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I find a certain irony that Romanelli calls the Casey campaign disgusting when this guy had no qualms with getting all of his money from Santorum, all the signatures from Santorum paid company and Santorum signatures and when the Judge evaulating the authenticity of the Green signatures invited Green Candidates to monitor the process - they people who showed up were Santorum volunteers.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:04 AM
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1. This wole dogshit issue came up right after .....
..... I made this post; not two or three days later .....

A trip to PollyannaVille ..... and a suggestion to the Greens

There needs to be a HUGE cry from the official Green Party and their supporters to disavow Romanelli. At this point, I can't see how there can be any honest, honorable basis for his continuing to run.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:08 AM
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2. Any support I ever had for Greens is out the door
There are people that still support this crud and even think it's ok that he's on the ticket KNOWING that the guy is there only because of Santorum money.

If Rick Santorum really cared that much about 3rd Party candidates he would have fought to help get the Libertarian & Constitution Parties also on the ticket (They both tried to field candidates - didn't get the signatures which yes, in PA is a tad bit outrageous). But then again Constitution & Libertarian parties align with republicans in ideology and could feasibly take away votes from Santorum.

Hopefully the signatures will be void and the guy is removed from the ticket. The Green Party needs to give this guy the boot, he is a black stain on their organization
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:50 AM
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5. Green Party--bought and paid for by the GOP
If I were a member of the Green Party, I would be furious at this guy. He has destroyed any credibility that the Green Party had.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:36 PM
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12. I totally agree wit this point of view!
Edited on Mon Sep-18-06 02:36 PM by Totally Committed
Totally! What a load of horse-hockey this is... Tell me this guy hasn't been paid to "throw" the debate and make Santorum look good! It stinks.

TC
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:10 AM
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3. This is the political equivalent to professional wrestling.
Santorum is the most shameless of Republicans which is saying a great deal. I am sure that the Greens will have a plausible explanation as to why once again they are aiding and abetting the RW in sabotaging the electoral process and driving our country further into the proto-fascist nightmare that the Bushies have spawned.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:23 AM
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4. I agree that Casey should boycott the debate
Romanelli has no chance of winning and is merely being propped up as a sham candidate. BTW, how's the process coming along with contesting Romanelli's place on the ballot?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:28 PM
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9. Romanelli has 100% chance of getting 5% of Casey's vote reassigned to him
via Electronic vote fraud. That is the whole point of having a Green candidate on the ballot, sillies. The voters wont be stupid enough to vote for them
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:32 PM
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11. Bad Idea
Remember Cynthia Mckinney ?
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:40 PM
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14. What about her?
Did she have a third party candidate running against her in one of her elections?
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:42 PM
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15. Generally it's a bad idea to skip debates n/t
n/t
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:42 PM
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16. She debated Hank Johnson
Edited on Mon Sep-18-06 02:43 PM by Ignacio Upton
Were they supposed to have more than one debate? Also, if I were Casey, I would argue that there shouldn't be a debate until the legal status of Romanelli's signatures is determined.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:49 PM
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18. Exactly
And with the notorious past of the firm used to obtain the signatures (same firm used in Nadar in which the courts found guilty of election fraud for faking signatures), I think this debate is nothing more than a farce by Rick Santorum to find something that can help him keep his job. Hell, Santorum would probably kiss another man full on the lips if he could help get votes away from Casey, doesn't mean that Santorum would then become a Civil Rights champion if re-elected
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 03:08 PM
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19. We will see won't we ? n/t
n/t
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:10 AM
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6. talk about "pawn to partisanship".
if ever there were a pawn to outright partisan politics its this guy.

If the left was as smart as the right, the Greens would have realized at least 6 years ago that they have been coopted by the puppetmasters in the GOP.

The Greens were very defensive after helping Bush win in 2000. Now they seem even more a part of the lunatic fringe. Too bad. Only serves to hurt their cause more.

Pawns.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:11 AM
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7. Green = Getting Republicans Elected Every November
yep
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 01:58 PM
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8. Yup, this is getting to be a habit of the Greens
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:31 PM
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10. But this is the first time we have solid proof it's happening
I always got the impression that the "Greens help the republican" was more of hurt feelings here on DU and I tried to be supportive of the Greens here on the board.

But this guy has been well documented as taking money from Santorum supporters and the fact that he had to use Santorum volunteers as his witnesses for this challenge on the Green Signatures (the judge said that democrats and greens could provide witnesses as they go through the signatures).

And this debate is nothing more than a ploy for Santorum to peel more votes away from Bob Casey. I know Casey is flawed especially when it comes to choice, but there is no way anyone can say that they would rather have another six years of Santorum instead of replacing him with the democrat
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The Wolf Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:40 PM
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13. An Open Letter to my cohorts in the Green Party
This is a blog/letter that I sent to Romanelli and every single national party co-chair. I did it a few months ago and in light of this little shitberg of news, I decide to launch Round 2 to show how frustrated and pissed I am this charade's going on a second longer.

I didn't want to do this again. In my heart of hearts, I truly believed in my heart of hearts that saner minds within my party would look at the path we're heading in Pennsylvania and turn back now before our party is irreparably harmed by hands of those who don't care about the 10 core values of this party. Going through the news wires this morning though, those hopes were brutally dashed as I came upon the latest touch of news from the Times Leader in NE Pennsylvania.

Santorum, Romanelli to debate
Incumbent senator and the Green candidate will have statewide tour. Democrat Casey won’t take part.
By RORY SWEENEY rsweeney@leader.net
Finally, Carl Romanelli will get the chance to face his competition for a U.S. Senate seat, but he’ll have to settle for debating just one of his competitors.

Republican incumbent U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum accepted an invitation from the Wilkes-Barre resident and Green Party candidate to a statewide debating tour during the final two-week push before the election Nov. 7. Democratic challenger Robert Casey Jr. refuses to debate Romanelli.

“We have a rule that each campaign can only have one representative on stage for debate at the same time,” said Larry Smar, Casey’s communications director.

Because Romanelli accepted support from Santorum supporters, Smar said, “as far as we’re concerned, (Romanelli) is a representative of the Santorum campaign.”

Romanelli disputes that, saying he met Santorum for the first time when he invited him on the debating tour Monday in Shanksville.

“It’s not like they bought my principles. My issues are exactly the same.”

Santorum’s campaign is claiming the high road, saying Casey, the state treasurer, isn’t willing to defend his beliefs.

“Pennsylvania voters are fortunate to have two candidates for U.S. Senate – Rick Santorum and Carl Romanelli – who are not afraid to debate and stand up for their beliefs,” wrote Virginia Davis, Santorum’s press secretary, in an e-mail response. “It is unfortunate that the third candidate in this race, Bob Casey, either does not have beliefs or is afraid to stand up for them.”
However, she also acknowledged Santorum and Casey will be debating again like they did Sept. 3 on “Meet the Press” with Tim Russert.

Smar said Casey and Santorum will debate three more times, and accused Santorum of being “afraid to debate Casey alone.”

When asked if Casey would debate Romanelli, Smar said, “I’ve told you five times, no.”
That might not matter if Casey is successful in his challenge of roughly 30,000 signatures Romanelli used to get his name on the ballot.

According to Romanelli, the judge presiding over the signature-challenge case said Thursday that if Casey’s challenges hold up, it’s “highly improbable” Romanelli will remain on the ballot.
Romanelli is disgusted with the process, saying, “What it seems to be is that the court is becoming a pawn to the partisanship. As a former officer of the court, that’s despicable.”

He feels Santorum agreed to debate him because “I truly think, as sick as his votes are and his position is, he really believes them” and that he’s betting those beliefs will “look palatable next to a flaming left-winger like me.”

As for Casey, “he’s not policy-equipped and he’s a terrible debater,” Romanelli said.

“Why on earth would he want to go up against me because I’ll clean his clock?”

Do you honestly believe Mr. Santorum will support us as a true legitimate national party? Do you really think, if he beats Bob Casey in November, that he won't just go through the exact same policies of exclusion of 3rd party electoral choices? At the first sign that he's secured his job, he will do everything in his power to dive the dagger deep into our hearts and laugh with every sick inch of joy that he can muster!

We are being treated as pawns on a chess board by Santorum's campaign. Even Romanelli's own words in accepting this debate ring this honest truth so damn well. "He's betting those beliefs will look palatable next to a flaming left-winger like me." Don't you see that engaging in policies as politically suicidal as these do nothing but crush any respect we may have had or be able to get with our liberal brethren?

You may see it as selling out or letting Democrats go because they are the opposition party. That is not the point of what I'm trying to make here. The bottom line is that it has nothing to do with party affiliation. This has to do very simply with how much do we want to sell our beliefs as opposed to just being words on a ballot. Do you want to engage in civil discourse with Democrats and work alliances like our brethren in Europe and Central America to get our ideas into the political mainstream? Or do you want to engage in what results to nothing more than understated grandstanding?

This particular part of the letter is directed to Mr. Romanelli himself. Are you that naive to put your faith and political future in the hands of one of the most disgusting human beings to ever set foot in the Senate's chambers? He represents progressive ideals and liberalism about as much as I represent black people! You have caused more harm to the party you supposedly represent than any other person in our brief history. The fact you and your supporters let him dictate your image in the media and your financial bottom line is proof enough for me that all of you aren't true Greens. If you truly were one, you would've left this damn race months ago!

In closing, I address this both to all of the National Co-Chairs, to Mr. Romanelli as well as his campaign manager. As much as the PR behind us looks bad, there is the tiniest glimmer of hope if we leave this race now. Most Democrats and Progressives will likely never trust us again as friends and partners toward the same ideological goals. I honestly don't blame any one of them who falls down that road. But we have a slight shot to get out of this race and spend our time trying to regain that trust. As long as our core values are the same, the hope to provide a united force for good in this country will always remain. But I'm not the man that will get us to that promised land. That all falls on your hands and your shoulders. Time to work!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:47 PM
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17. If Greens thought like you, hell I'd be on your team
I was never anti-Green, but what am I to think when I clearly see the Green party allowing themselves to be used by the Republicans in order to help the republican party win. Head-to-Head, Casey can easily beat Santorum, but toss a Green in there and suddenly we have a tight race and potential for another six years of Rick Santorum.

Even on Bob Casey's absolutely worst day and Rick Santorum's best - Bob Casey is without a doubt the better choice for Pennsylvania. Let's hope that Pennsylvanian voters see through this farce.

BTW - welcome to DU :hi:

Mind you, I'm really not anti-green as some might accuse me. I'm just anti-hypocrisy and Carl Romanelli disgraces the green party and everything it stands for. He makes the Green Party look like Hypocrites and they should denounce this!
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