Weekly Standard's Kristol say Dems in Trap if they don't support Torture!

[KoKo]

Sheesh....I guess the NeoCons are really laying it all on the line with this one!

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The Trap
There is now a clear and live contrast between Bush and the Democrats on an important issue in the war on terror.
by William Kristol
09/25/2006, Volume 012, Issue 02

But the president has an even better political position. There is now a clear and live contrast between Bush and the Democrats on an important issue in the war on terror.

Wait a minute, you say--it's not just Democrats who oppose Bush. Four Republicans joined the Democratic senators--John McCain, John Warner, Lindsey Graham, and Susan Collins. Colin Powell is with them. So the Democrats have cover.

No, they don't. The fact that McCain has badly damaged his 2008 presidential chances doesn't mean the Democrats can't be hurt in 2006. True, there could be a dozen GOP votes for the Democratic alternative on the floor of the Senate next week. There were a dozen Democratic votes for Bush's tax cuts in 2001. It didn't prevent Republicans from distinguishing themselves from Demo crats on taxes. A few defections won't prevent Republicans from saying--truthfully--that there is a real difference between the two parties on the war on terror, and that they stand with Bush and against Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Democratic candidates will respond that McCain also stands with them. It won't help. The American people don't agree with McCain on this. And they're not going to be persuaded by some of the arguments made by Bush's critics. Let Democratic candidates try to argue that, unless we go even further than required by the 2005 legislation sponsored by McCain (which Bush's proposal embraces), al Qaeda might react by not treating Americans decently. Let Democratic candidates try to defend the notion that we'll get lots of credit in Europe by going the extra mile--as if the 2005 detainees legislation generated any good will there. Let Democratic candidates align themselves with world opinion (as interpreted by Colin Powell), and join in expressing doubt about "the moral basis of our fight against terrorism."

The key political fact is this: A GOP candidate can say he will vote to authorize interrogations that CIA director Hayden (no partisan gunslinger) says are important. The Democrats, by contrast, support legislation that would bring such interrogations to a stop. It looks as if the 2006 campaign will be, at least in part, about national security.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/711lzwcj.asp?pg=1

[Richardo]

1. How can such an idiot be considered ('by some') to be so credible?

Hayden no partisan? What color is the sky on your planet, Bill?

[iconoclastic cat]

2. In other news, Bill Kristol has decided that WW3 will be good investors.

DJ Lame-O Bill, spinnin' the hits!

[stopbush]

3. It's hard to type with blood dripping from your hands.

How does Kristol do it?

[MadMaddie]

4. Fuck Kristol....

Piece of shit....no nothing about war.....or the realities of war...he would piss his pants if threatened with torture.....

[hobbit709]

5. I say put all these clowns

in favor of torture naked on a box with a hood over their heads and their genitals hooked to live electrodes for about an hour and then ask them again if they are still in favor.

[Avalux]

6. Torture is now acceptable.

The only reason he's written this article is because the majority of the population agree with it. This administration have managed to use fear to get people to be OK with torture.

Boggles the mind.

[MarinCoUSA]

7. Bill "Pop Sociology" Kristol keepin' hope alive! You go, boy!!

n/t

[The Deacon]

8. Okay

If aligning themselves with torture is such a great idea - how come not a single candidate in Southwest Georgia or North Florida (I get local stations from both, being so close to the border) identifies themselves as a Republican?
I think Billy Kristol has gone off his meds again. Trashing a proposal from a man who has suffered torture at the hands of sadistic bastards to prevent us from joining that evil group is so far from the Pale I cannot even conceive of this as anything other than parody.

[Lexingtonian]

9. it's just Coueism

I.e. Kristol trying to tell himself that what he imagines to be true is in fact real.

Don't get carried away by this bullshit- McCain and Warner have another 10 or so Republicans with them in the Senate, i.e. roughly the proportion of moderates among their Party as a whole.

And even when Kristol circumlocutes with "authorizes interrogations that CIA director Hayden says are important", (a) it's still torture, (b) that's an appeal to authority no one needs to buy, (c) he hasn't asked Hayden whether torture is in fact necessary.

I think this is another case of Dershowitzitis, in which whatever a right wing government of Israel has done (i.e. torture of "terrorists") and claimed to believe is, uh, Gospel and a craven neocon desire exists for American vindication and partnership in crime with Israeli right wing interests.

[intaglio]

10. Another frat boy too god for Vietnam?

[Elidor]

11. I support waterboarding Kristol

Ask him over and over - between dunkings - if he really believes all the shit he spouts.