Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Greenwald mocking Malkin -upset because "Muslims will execute Christians"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:12 PM
Original message
Greenwald mocking Malkin -upset because "Muslims will execute Christians"
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 10:29 PM by Pirate Smile
From Glenn Greenwald

Well beyond satire

Michelle Malkin is extremely upset because three convicted Christian terrorists in Indonesia are going to be executed despite -- in Michelle's words -- "grave doubts raised over the fairness of the trial." The title of her post is "Muslims will execute Christians" -- by which she means that the Government of a predominantly Muslim country will execute three defendants who happen to be Christian, because they also happen to have been convicted in a trial in an Indonesian court of law "of masterminding a massacre of 200 Muslims in Poso."

Michelle favorably links to this article from Asia News which reports -- and I'm not making this up -- that the lawyers for the three convicted Terrorists:

will take their case before the International Criminal Court in Geneva, as per a human rights convention ratified by Jakarta, to safeguard the three men’s right to life and to denounce irregularities of Indonesian trials.

Michelle, and an equally outraged Gateway Pundit (to whom she links), both provide contact information to protest on behalf of the Terrorists and to help those organizations trying to secure them a stay of execution and a new trial.

According to the article to which Michelle linked, the complaint is that the Terrorists "were convicted by a trial riddled with illegalities, like witnesses who were not listened to and evidence that was rejected by the court." Wow -- a trial where the witnesses are not listened to and improper evidence was used. What kind of country would convict someone of terrorism using procedures like that? And what kind of disgusting barbarians would be opposed to having "the International Criminal Court in Geneva," pursuant to an international "human rights convention," demand greater legal protections for terrorists?

This post writes itself. For instance, I thought (from having read Michelle's blog) that people who were concerned about due process for Terrorists are themselves pro-terrorists. I wonder what it is about this case that makes Michelle and Gateway Pundit so concerned for the Rights of Terrorists when normally they mock those who express such concern? What's different here? Do Malkin and her comrades want to protect terrorists more than innocent people? Sure seems that way. And just look at how brutal and inhumane Muslims are -- convicting people of terrorism despite evidentiary irregularities in their trial. That is the Evil we are battling in our War of Civilizations.

Maybe the U.S. Government could intervene on behalf of the convicted Terrorists and insist that even accused terrorists have the right to a fair trial and due process, and that it is inhumane and barbaric to impose the death penalty after convicting them of terrorism without first giving them a trial free of any irregularities. A fair trial prior to execution is, after all, a universal value -- even for Terrorists.

We have great moral authority in the world to make that point and I'm sure our protest would go over really well and Indonesia would do what it could to ensure that it was meeting our high standards of justice before proceeding with the execution of these Terrorists. Or maybe we could use our influence with the International Criminal Court in Geneva to advocate for greater protections and a fair trial for these convicted Terrorists.

UPDATE: Of course, if Indonesia would only do what the Bush administration does -- which is imprison people without giving them any trial or process at all, as Michelle gleefully celebrates -- then they wouldn't have to worry about all this hand-wringing from the terrorist rights crowd over "trial irregularities."

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/well-beyond-satire.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. Malkin is giving aid and comfort to the terrorists.
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 10:18 PM by muntrv
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I guess not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
3. So she's supporting "terrorists" because they're Christian?
:wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
4. Malkin is a self serving idiot
She's only one half of a step above Coultergeist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Greenwald
ROCKS!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:27 PM
Response to Original message
6. MORAL RELATIVISM, MICHELLE!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:30 PM
Response to Original message
7. Malkin is a....
hypofuckingcrite. She wishes she could be Man Coulter. At least I can look at Malkin without wanting to wretch. Man Coulter is damn ugly.
And of course, there's a double standard in terrorism in this country. After all, why aren't people who bomb abortion clinics or assassinate abortion doctors tried as terrorists? Oh right. Cause they're lilywhite Christians, not those shady brown people. No torture or indefinite imprisonment for Mr. Abortion Clinic Bomber!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Malkin is one of those shady brown people. But don't tell her that or
her head will explode and........ on second thought, do tell her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. My take on the respective appearances of the RW shrews is vicey-versy.
Other than that, I've gotta agree with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:34 AM
Response to Original message
9. What a total hypocrite!
Hell, she even gave me ammunition that I didn't have! I didn't know there were Christian terrorists in the Muslim countries! (This type of ignorance on the part of the wing nuts often being exploited).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:35 AM
Response to Original message
10. The hypocrisy would be laughable if it were a less serious issue
However, as Greenwald says, it is beyond satire.

This is such Bizarro-World hypocrisy that almost brings tears to my eyes. I'm not normally a guy prone to shows of emotion - and I'm not joking, either.





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. it is filthy hypocrisy and there is nothing funny about it--i agree
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NovaNardis Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
11. Malkin is great because the rules of logic don't apply to her...
And it is also great because no matter what BS she spews, she has no commenting function on her page so no one can challenge what she thinks! (I get the same feeling from TPM to an extant.) Malkin is the biggest hypocrite in the world. That whole free speech issue about Denmark was a classic example. They should be allowed from speech, but the student protesters at UC are somehow traitors.

She thinks she is always right with her gut instinct, and no consistency need apply. That is how you tell a partisan from a wingnut. Partisans at least think about their opinions. Wingbats just assume they are right and everyone else is not only wrong but evil, facts and logic be damned.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. You can comment at Talking Points Memo
Although it's not HaloScan, where any ninnyhammer can immediately post every addle-pated impulse that crosses his mind, there is a comment feature wherein you can address TPM directly about anything. I would guess that the more thoughtful and erudite submissions receive their due consideration.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:53 PM
Response to Original message
14. You know what is strange?
Michelle Malkin is an atheist. So why should she care one way or another whether they are Christians?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. She's Atheist? That's a shock.
Where did you hear that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. She posted it on her Web site.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. This site says she's Roman Catholic....
www.nndb.com/people/761/000027680/

And one of her columns I managed to finish mentioned a visit to Church. Of course, she lies.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
16. So if I'm to understand this according to the article it would be OK to
execute these people regardless of their religious persuasion even if there existed irregularities in their trial because Malkin is a dork? Somehow I thought that the law should apply equally to everyone and the assumption of innocence is presumed no matter who the defendant(s) are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:17 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. the point is her hypocrisy and that of US admin, not merits of the case
nobody is suggesting that it is "OK" to execute anyone without a fair trial.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. I thought hypocrisy took a back seat to justice especially when someone's
life was at stake
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:04 AM
Response to Original message
19. Part of the problem is the religious controversy surrounding
these Xians. Even leaving aside the problems with witnesses (shocking how many people here feebly assume that one wrong done to one person justifies another wrong ... perhaps they've been drinking too much communalist kool-aid, and have started to assume that justice applies primarily to groups, not individuals).

There are also Muslims on trial for terrorism in a rather celebrated--among Islamists--case. The government's afraid that if the Xians that were charged got lesser sentences than the Muslims, or their penalty wasn't carried out before the Muslims' sentence, that there would be riots from the most ardent practitioners of the religion of peace.

Once the two trials were linked, the only way to secure a conviction for the Muslims, and any kind of harsh penalty, was to ensure that the number of Christians convicted was at least equal to that of the Muslims involved, and that their penalty is at least as harsh. Honor above justice, honor above truth. Gotta love tribal, communal-style thinking.

What's not said is that typically Muslims are the recipients of Islam-related mercy: come Eid, come Ramadhan, and prisoners' sentences are reduced or the prisoners freed. Christians' don't receive this mercy. They're not in the tribe. So what's likely to happen is that the Xians will receive a harsh penalty to license a harsh penalty against Muslims, and then the Muslims' harsh sentence will be commuted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC