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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:44 PM
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Please help me rebut this email
I find it disgusting and full of hate. I don't know how to respond to this. Any suggestions?





Understanding Louisiana

Just some facts to help us understand what we have to work with here.

In the late 1990's, the state's school systems ranked dead last in the nation in the number of computers per student (1 per 88), and Louisiana has the nation's second-highest percentage of adults who never finished high school.

By the state's own measure, 47% of the public schools in New Orleans rank as "academically unacceptable."

These government failures are not merely a matter of incompetence.

Louisiana and New Orleans have a long, well-known reputation for corruption: as former Congressman Billy Tauzin once put it,

"Half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment."

That's putting it mildly.

Adjusted for population size, the state ranks third in the number of elected officials convicted of crimes ( Mississippi is #1).

Recent scandals include the conviction of 14 state judges and an FBI raid on the business and personal files of a Louisiana congressman.

In 1991, a notoriously corrupt Democrat named Edwin Edwards ran for governor against Republican David Duke, a former head of the Ku Klux Klan.

Edwards, whose winning campaign included bumper stickers saying: "Elect the Crook," is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence for taking bribes from casino owners.

Duke recently completed his own prison term for tax fraud.

The rot included the New Orleans Police Department, which in the
1990's had the dubious distinction of being the nation's most corrupt police force - and the least effective. (The city had the highest murder rate in America .)

More than 50 officers were eventually convicted of crimes including murder, rape and robbery; two are currently on Death Row.

And let us not forget, Mayor Nagin of New Orleans turned down a Texas scrap metal firm's offer to the city of $100 each for the privilege of hauling away the abandoned automobiles now littering the city. This would have paid money to the city.

Mayor Nagin is now considering giving a contract to another firm for $23,000,000 to get rid of the vehicles. This plan will cost the city.

Ten billion dollars are about to pass into the sticky hands of politicians in the #1 and #3 most corrupt states in America . Worried about looting? Well, you ain't seen nothing yet!

New Orleans has a Democrat Mayor, a Democrat City Council and a Democrat Chief of Police.

Louisiana has a Democrat Governor, a Democrat Lt. Governor, a Democrat Attorney General.

24 of 39 Louisiana State Senators are Democrats, 67 of 105 Louisiana State House Representatives are Democrats, there's a Democrat Representative in the House from New Orleans , and one of two U. S. Senators is a Democrat.

THIS PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS WHY IT'S ALL GEORGE BUSH'S FAULT.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:46 PM
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1. Sounds more like Clinton's fault to me
:)
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:47 PM
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2. First off, most of that has nothing to do with Katrina
And further more, George Bush was never blamed for circumstances occuring before Katrina, only for not handling the dire situation properly, that's all he was ever blamed for.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:51 PM
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4. yea that's right
Sometimes my family sends me these emails that just piss me off. They are supposed be real religious, but there seems to be a lot of hate.
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:49 PM
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3. Just ask them
if george bush has ever been responsible for anything. ever.
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mymomwasright Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:52 PM
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5. Mom tells me that many politicians in Louisiana
are Democrat in name only. Mom lives in New Orleans and is a true Democrat. Can any natives secound this?
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:54 PM
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6. So if we knew all this corruption existed, then why pray tell did our
Great Leader not do anything about it ? Why did he as the Chief Executive Officer of the United States not approve or even look at the levy system when presented to him in 2002? Why was a nation so devestated by the 9/11 attacks (a man made disaster) not prepared for or able to respond to a natural disaster of this nature? Because when the video was shown to the CEO of the United States warning of the levy system, he was planning for another debacle, another man made disaster. We call that one Iraq.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:03 PM
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7. New Orleans has always been a most cosmopolitan city. It is not
ever going to be some strait-laced town which follows the status quo, Repug style. However, in relation to the unkind things said about Louisiana and Mississippi by your relatives, I do NOT think any of us have to look too far to find massive Pug graft and illegal behavior in any state, especially Florida, Ohio and D.C. You might want to remind them of the ever increasing number of exposed Republican criminals in the White House and the Congress and the state houses and capitals. What has Nagin or the Dem guv or the Dem senator ever been accused of, much less tried for? Can these relations give specifics?
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filer Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:11 PM
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8. So I guess it follows that if we throw the Dems out,
and let the Repubs run the country, everything will be hunky dory, right? No wait...they already are running the country, and it isn't.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:14 PM
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9. thank you all for a better perspective nt
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:31 PM
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10. Louisiana voted for Bush, and Bush is what it got.
Louisiana is a red state these days -- even though Bush treats it like a blue one.

You get the government you deserve.
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Pugee Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:45 PM
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11. Guess you could write your own email like it except
make it --Understanding America--
List the things going on here and how the Repugs are in office. Then make your last sentence say Clinton instead of *
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Goat or Panic Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:17 PM
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12. The scrap metal thing sounds like another FEMA screwup
"TruSource's attorney, John Seago, blamed the contracting maze encasing many FEMA arrangements after Hurricane Katrina. In this case, the money has just arrived at the second of the five layers of contractors involved on the debris removal deal, and hasn't yet trickled down, Seago said.

"We had a contract for debris removal in the Lower 9th Ward with Vern Keeler and EEC and we have not received our money on that," Seago said, fixing the bill at "several hundred thousand dollars."

"It has caused some problems for us down the line with payroll and the like," he said."

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tpupdates/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tpupdates/archives/2006_04_03.html

It's from the Times/Picayune.
Sorry, don't know how to post links yet.

Read the article. I could barely make heads or tails of it.
Sounds like alot of bureaucratic nonsense going on.

The rest also sounds pretty easy to pick apart. As far as I know MIssissippi isn't doing much better.

As far as Edwards goes, it was the Democrats that ended up ejecting him during a primary.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:46 PM
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13. No..."Disasaster Hurricane Katrina and the failure of Homeland Security
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 09:48 PM by ddeclue
by Christopher Cooper and Robert Block (ISBN-13: 978-0-8050-8130-5) pretty much explains why it was all George Bush's fault.

I just finished reading it and it points out for instance that:

1) The Federal Gov't had numerous warnings regarding the disaster that would occur if the levies failed in N.O. including Hurricanes Betsy, Georges, and Ivan.

2) The Federal Gov't ran a disaster drill involving a fictitious "Hurricane Pam" that predicted thousands of deaths if the levies failed and which pointed out numerous shortcomings in FEMA and DHS.

3) The Federal Gov't glossed over many deficiencies during the Pam drill by magically promising supplies that they couldn't actually deliver, thereby lulling the State agencies in Alabama and Mississippi and Louisiana into believing that they would not have to worry.

4) Substantial portions of LA, AL, and MS National Guard units were stationed in Iraq rather than being available for duty in the affected storm region.

5)The Pentagon has forced National Guard units to abandon substantial amounts of equipment to regular Army troops in Iraq when they rotate back to the states, thus leaving them short on equipment.

6) The Federal Gov't restructuring of FEMA to place it under DHS removed it from direct contact with the President - greatly inhibiting it's ability to be effective because it could no longer communicate directly with him and use his clout to get things done. Now requests had to go up and down the chain of command and much got filtered out.

7) James Lee Witt was replaced with no-nothing political cronies of George W. Bush who had no practical experience with natural disasters and viewed them in an entirely different manner than Witt, who looked upon it as a duty to be there fast and in force during the Clinton administraiton.

8) Once FEMA was folded into DHS, its mission of natural disasters was treated as unimportant and much money and clout was taken from this role to be dispersed into much less likely "terrorism" based scenarios when any common sense analysis says that hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, and earthquakes are the real mass disaster threats that Americans face - not all these obscure harebrained notions you hear about on FoxNews like poison pen guns, etc.

9) As FEMA's money and clout was stolen by DHS, many of its key people quit in disgust and joined state agencies and private firms around the country -causing FEMA to lose much of its experience and expertise.

10) The President and the Administration's natural tendency is to disregard the media and to treat them as irrelevant - choosing to use their own intelligence sources and wild imaginations instead of media reports, man on the ground reports, or common sense.

Thus they didn't believe the levies had broken at first and refused to face the magnitude of the disaster - classic denial.

It's a pattern we saw with the August PDB before 9/11 and on 9/11 itself, and then in Iraq and finally in Katrina.

11) The wild stories about rapes, murder and lawlessness were not investigated for their validity and caused FEMA to pull it's staff out of the Superdome when they were desperately needed.

12) It took several days to establish a unified command even within the Federal effort in N.O. due to bureaucratic infighting and incompetence in the Federal agencies.

13) The only Federal agencies really on the ball were the Coast Guard and the National Weather Service.

14) Ultimately, the President received an ample and extremely vivid warning about the nature and extent of the catastrophe that was about to befall N.O. from Max Mayfield, who heads the National Hurricane Center but stood by in "deer in the headlights" paralysis because he failed to understand that there are poor people in this country who have no car, have no money, and have no way out if he didn't help.

When I watched Bush speak from Jackson Square about all he was going to do to "fix things" two weeks after the storm, I was reminded of Haley Osmont telling Bruce Willis his secret in the Sixth Sense "I see dead people"... well in George Bush's case - after the fact - he suddenly "saw black people..they were everywhere" - unfortunately, Bush couldn't manage to see them BEFORE the storm.

15) Finally, having read this book, and also reading Brinkley's "The Great Deluge",having seen numerous Katrina documentaries on TV including Spike Lee's "When the Levies Broke - A Requiem in Four Parts" along with various documentaries on TV regarding Bush's incompetent response to 9/11 I'm reminded of the quote from another Bruce Willis movie, Armageddon, when General Kinsey says:

"We spend two hundred and fifty billion dollars a year on defense, and here we are, the fate of the planet is in the hands of a bunch of retards I wouldn't trust with a potato gun!"

http://www.wavlist.com/movies/085/
http://www.wavlist.com/movies/085/agd-retards.wav (look for this at the bottom of the page - you can't just use it from here.. it gives error 500's.)

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:53 PM
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14. Thank you nt
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