I agree with Chavez and Ahmadinejad

[rhiannon55]

George W Bush (with his handlers) IS the most dangerous person in the world. Why? Because he's every bit as crazy as they are, and he has WAY more power to blow up the world than they do.

Just sayin'.

[Virginia Dare]

1. I read the whole speech by Chavez...

and let me just say I think Bush needed to be knocked down a few notches for the whole world to see, and judging by the applause, so did a lot of other folks, but regardless of whether you thought the opening statement was over the top or not, the rest of the speech was right on the money in so many ways.

He laid bare the whole hypocrisy of U.S. foreign policy. We as Americans need to wake the fuck up, and soon, or things are going to get a whole lot worse.

This is a WAKE UP CALL--we need to listen, whether we agree or not, we need to listen to what the rest of the world is trying to tell us.

[wallwriter]

5. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

I hate Bush, but Chavez is a demagogue and Ahmedinejad is an evil piece of shit.

[Kahuna]

7. I agree with what Chavez said. But how does that make him my friend?

Honestly, I don't know much about him. And given the controversy that surrounds him, I don't particulary trust what either side says. But just because I agree 100% with the words he spoke that doesn't make me his bestest friend.

[MuseRider]

8. We share the planet

therefore it does us no good to ignore them or only pick and choose what they say. Crazy they may be but then our "leader" is nothing to write home about.

What they said was truth, you do not have to like them to see that but we do have to live with them and it will do us no good to brand them as Bush** does others.

[mike_c]

10. but don't let your personal dislike for them stand in the way...

...of understanding what they are saying. Much of the rest of the world IS paying attention, while folks in the U.S. tend to remain isolated, both by a complicit media and our own sense of cultural superiority. Chavez and Ahmedinejad are much more reflective of widespread sentiment about the U.S. role in world affairs than most Americans seem willing to understand.

[Virginia Dare]

11. You missed the point...

the point is not whether you embrace Chavez or Ahmedinejad or their policies. The point is, they are trying to tell us that WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR WAYS, and we need to pay attention to that.

It helps nobody to dismiss them as thugs, wackos, dictators or evil pieces of shit. There are plenty of thugs, wackos, dictators and evil pieces of shit that we gladly call our friends on a daily basis, because we can buy them off, or vice versa. You see, they play the game on our terms.

Chavez and Ahmedinejad are not playing our game, and they're willing and able to show others how they're doing it.

What they are saying is important and we need to pay attention, the rest of the world is, bet on it.

[EarthNeedsHope]

13. Absolutely not my friend for that reason, for other reasons

Because he is completely right.

[mirabeau]

18. I hate Bush too.

That doesn't mean that I am so blinded with hatred that I can't make rational judgements. We are talking about two very complicated men. The fact that they are Bush's enemies is just one aspect of who they are. If you want to live in a simple world where everything is black and white - that's fine - but don't assume that everyone else does too.

[hatenazibush]

19. however...

although some things ARE black and white - bush is a moron, clinton is not.

[Virginia Dare]

22. Excellent point mirabeau...

this is exactly the way the fascists in charge want us to look at things black/white, us/them, terrorist/not a terrorist.

Divide and conquer--I personally, am not falling for it.

Welcome to DU!!

[MuseRider]

6. It won't happen because

the only thing the general public will be made aware of is the devil statement. I do not think very many people will have the curiosity to get beyond that. I hope I am wrong but so far all I have heard in the press is that one statement.

I read what he said and I agree with you.

[hatenazibush]

2. Yup.

So true. Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. He makes Chavez and Ahmadinejad look like saints.

[Kahuna]

3. Welcome to DU!!!!!! BTW, you have a very cool nickname.,.,

:yourock: :hi:

[wtmusic]

4. welcome to DU hatenazibush

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[hatenazibush]

9. thanks for making me feel right at home!

can you imagine what would happen if bush was born in austria about 100 years ago? assuming he had the intelligence to work his way up the political food chain (BIG stretch), it would be interesting to see what would have happened if bush had gotten himself "elected" as head of Germany in 1932. lol.

[wtmusic]

12. W has a name, a silver spoon,

and that's about it.

Hitler was a leader, there is no denying. He was a captivating speaker (after whom JFK modeled his own public speaking). Too bad he was a genocidal maniac.

[LSparkle]

14. And Shrubya is more dangerous to US because of his power

to negatively impact our lives. Chavez and Ahmadinejad don't have the power to spy on us, stick us in "free speech zones," curtail our freedoms, ad nauseum.

[hatenazibush]

15. sending dubya to the other side.

in the interest of "free speech zone," what do we think about sending bush over to iran and dumping him in the middle of tehran for a little while? get some of his own medicine for a change. daddy won't be able to save him then. lol.

[LSparkle]

16. LOL! I could swear I heard someone suggest that on radio yesterday

I agree wholeheartedly -- him and his whole evil family! (Love to see BattleAxe Babs in a king-size hijab!)

[hatenazibush]

17. iranian bushies

Lol! Can you imagine that big-eared dwarf squinting at all of the hijabs and going 'Where did all the lady faces go?'

[rhiannon55]

21. BattleAxe Babs in a king-size hajib!!!!

Oh my! (gasp!) What a vision!!! She looks like Brian's mama in "Life of Brian!"

:rofl:

[Peace Patriot]

20. Please see my analysis of Iran/US/Venezuela, at

Post #7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2186378

I know quite a lot about Chavez and Venezuela and the leftist revolution in South America, and have given a lot of thought and research time to understanding what's really going on vs. what our war profiteering corporate news monopolies (controlled by 5 billionaire CEOs) are telling us. Chavez is not "crazy," is not a "demagogue," is not "authoritarian" (in any way), and he has enormous support from the people of his country, and many other South Americans. He is a legitimate leader and spokesman for all those who have been exploited and oppressed by the rich and powerful. I can't say the same for Ahmadinejad. I think he IS a demogogue, but there are reasons why his rhetoric resonates with Iranians (very good reasons), and some of what he says is quite true--for instance, that the US is the aggressor in the Middle East, not Iran. Here's a good basic narrative of what the US did to Iran in the 1950s, which still resonates in Iran to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh

An excellent site on Venezuela is www.venezuelanalysis.com. It's pro-Chavez, but does publish creditable information not in his favor, and has a variety of articles and viewpoints, and good writers. Its intelligent pro-Chavez slant is a good antidote to the mind-numbing and baseless epithets of our war profiteering corporate news monopolies (for instance, that he is "increasingly authoritarian"--an allegatiion that is totally without foundation; I have found no evidence for it AT ALL).

[BreweryYardRat]

23. Agent provocateur. Shoo.

*hits ignore*

[rhiannon55]

24. self-delete

[rhiannon55]

25. that is so not true

I just want us to remember who's the biggest threat. Bush scares me more than anyone.