Now that the United States has been in Iraq for some years has..

[butterfly77]

the US death toll caught up to Sadaams's is it even or surpassed his numbers. Weren't the people Sadaam gassed killed in the eighties. How many Iraqis do you think have been freed, and have they been freed because they are dead.

[shain from kane]

1. Proof that Iraq was never a country. How can fellow citizens engage

in murdering their countrymen? It was not yet a civil war under Saddam, but under the United States, the level of violence has escalated. It is still not a country, and never will be. Given that we were in Iraq, rightly or wrongly, we should have pushed to Balkanize the country into separate states, or countries, like the former Soviet Union, and quit the pretext that it would ever be a united, or should ever be, a united country.

[butterfly77]

3. I believe that bush admin was pitting groups

against each other and were listening to some psychologists on how to treat them as people and their tactics didn't work.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. I recall there was a frenzy to dig up the remains of Saddam's

genocide victims right after the invasion to bolster the whole effort. They were able to uncover a relatively small number (2000 perhaps?) out of the 250,000 that the us government/iraqi national congress claimed to have been killed.

[calimary]

4. Just heard on the Ed Schultz show that the torture, anyway, over there

in Iraq has now been determined to be worse than before Saddam was taken out. Evidently that was a report just filed by a UN torture expert, on the heels of his investigation.

[butterfly77]

6. There is an article in Times magazine this month..

that describes the torture of boys and rapes.

[butterfly77]

5. They also made sure to report if they found a mass grave...

every few months so that they would try to help us to remember what sadaam did. While in the meantime they were using bunker busting bombs in neighborhoods and didn't give a damn.

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. In a attempt to refresh my memory about all this, I noticed a

report from the USAID that claimed that they had discovered something like 400,000 "potential" mass burials. This report was proffered in the heyday of 2003, I haven't heard anything about it since. I suspect this is much the same as the WMD thing.

[butterfly77]

8. I remember this but..

these people have lied about murderers and the 9 billion that is missing and other things so it will be hard as hell to untangle all of the evil that they have distributed or there as well as here.

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Well, as I suspected they danced around with a 5,000 body figure

for a while & then dropped the whole subject.