The Generals Are Kicking the Shit Out of * On CSPAN-3 Right Now!

[MrCoffee]

The Army is seriously pissed at Bushco for fucking them over in Iraq. WOW.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[Kali]

1. Details?

(no TEE VEE)

[MrCoffee]

4. Maj. Gen. John Batiste said "We need new leadership in the Pentagon"

There are 3 retired generals who were in Iraq at the beginning and they are eviscerating Rummy and the boys.

[calimary]

18. Don't ANYBODY forget, though - rummy wouldn't be where he is,

in the position to do the damage he has, WITHOUT bUSH.

Do you think for a single instant that either Al Gore OR John Kerry would have picked rummy for Defense Secretary? In their worst moments? If they were drunk and stoned and tortured? Do you think ANYBODY on our side, if in the White House, would have put a deathmonger like him in such a prominent position?

Hardly. Hell, I doubt even joe lieberman would have done so.

[acmavm]

2. Few more details someone. I can sneak back for an update in

a few minutes. I'm at work and although when I have down time I know they see me reading and posting, and I don't care if they do, right now I have something I have to do and this thread really interests me.

[MrCoffee]

6. I linked the streaming feed in the OP, if you can.

[MrCoffee]

7. Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton "We must have new leadership in the military."

[woodsprite]

3. Isn't this the "retired" Generals? Not the guys that are there now. nt

[MrCoffee]

5. They were there at the beginning.

[Imagevision]

15. "retired" Generals? - It's the only time they can be honest without Rummy

firing them for speaking out, like any general is going to have a face off with Rumsfeld while he's still employed by the government.

Shenseki spoke out, and Rummy forced him into early retirement!! -

[rodeodance]

8. talking of how it would take 70 B to just to begin to refurnish the milita

tary.

also talking of short on troops.

micromanagement of military by Rummy.

[rodeodance]

11. all Dems asking good questions actually LISTENING. (Hilliary also)

[rodeodance]

13. Hil. now asking each what the stakes are.

[rodeodance]

14. Hil talking of Nat. Intel Estimate-& and J. Rocky trying to get it DEclass

ified.

[iconoclastic cat]

9. Well, Joe Lieberman will need a job soon, so maybe they're helping out. nt

[babylonsister]

10. Bankrupt on leadership at the national level. That's tellin' it! nt

[babylonsister]

12. We need 60,000 more soldiers or our children will pay for that

mistake. I'd think the children would be paying with their lives if they fulfill this.

[rodeodance]

16. A gen. saying to pull out now or with a timeline would lead to civil war.

[sweetheart]

17. they have theirs, we have ours

At the outset, we knew that the iraq war could result in the breakup of
iraq in to kurdistan, a shia and a sunni area. Now, 'gosh' one general
said "'we' did not do our homework.".. nobody can read.

That civil war was inevitale when the borders of the iraq state were drawn
by the british after ww1, the state is unnatural like yugoslavia, like
the US and mexico being joined, would nnever work in a month of sundays.

[MrCoffee]

19. so where are you going to put Kurdistan?

[sweetheart]

20. Well, part of turkey, iraq, syria and iran

It does seem that the kurds themselves are unclear on where it is, sorta like israel,
but like israel, will not be deterred, even in turkey.

[MrCoffee]

21. Turkey is massing troops on its southern border

in preparation to invade Northern Iraq to stop Kurdish incursions into Turkey. Once Turkey gets involved, this is going to get soooo much worse.