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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:15 PM
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"For eight months, Bush did nothing - nothing" - WES CLARK in Red KY
Clark campaigning in "Red Territory" Kentucky where we need to win to take back congress!

Associated Press
FRANKFORT, Ky. - Former NATO commander and Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark blasted President Bush on Sunday, saying he has been "derelict in his duty as commander in chief."

Clark, speaking at the Kentucky Democratic Party's second annual "family day" event in Frankfort, Bush ignored a warning from former President Bill Clinton about Osama bin Laden.

"For eight months, Bush did nothing - nothing. No plan. No action. No diplomacy. No intelligence. No meetings," said Clark, who is scheduled to make campaign stops Monday in Campbellsville, Hopkinsville, Paducah, Owensboro and Brandenburg.

Clark also criticized Bush's handling of Iraq and accused him of blocking attempts to hold people accountable for mistakes made there.

"The truth is, the Republicans have got us stuck in a mess and they don't have a way out," said Clark, who sought the Democratic nomination for president in 2004.

Democrats want to turn the country over to Iraqis, start withdrawing troops this year, provide better equipment and armor for the remaining soldiers and use stronger diplomatic efforts in the region, Clark said.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/15601923.htm


That's what I love about Wes Clark and his widespread appeal! He is welcomed by candidates to stand by them in those districts that we need to win!

Wes Clark's next stops campaigning for congressional candidates are in Arizona, Texas and Montana! :patriot:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:18 PM
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1. "No Intelligence"
Boy howdy!!!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:18 PM
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2. K&R
WES needs to keep speaking out and include some of the other x-military quotes from Dorgan's hearing today. :)
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:22 PM
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3. And another
:kick:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:25 PM
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6. I'm sure that he will incorporate those remarks......
this was what he said yesterday.....

Note that Gen. Wes Clark will be appearing with Rep. Murtha in PA.....to counter the Swift Boaters, that for whatever reason are still roaming loose (I thought someone was going to put a muzzle on these fools!)

Here's some of his upcoming events in the next few days!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2842222&mesg_id=2842222

Also note that Wes Clark penned this article for Newsweeks' upcoming "International" Edition:
http://securingamerica.com/node/1533

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:58 PM
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17. great newsweek title: Success is possible. But make no mistake. We are not
Success is possible. But make no mistake. We are not winning.

He's right as usual. :hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:40 PM
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28. Problem is that American readers here in the US will never have a
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 05:41 PM by FrenchieCat
chance to read his article....cause it's only found in the "international" Newsweek Edition.

Imagine that!

Guess the plan is as it was......Gotto keep his name recognition as low as possible. Wouldn't want to include him in any Presidential polls, and have folks actually know what he's saying and know who he is, and have actually listed on a poll due to the fact that he might just beat the Republican favorites....now would we?
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060924/NEWS09/609240335/1056

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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:23 PM
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4. He did do something...
He made sure everyone around him knew NOT to bring this up again, NOT to talk about terrorism, NOT to talk about a raghead, living in a cave, called Osama!!!


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:32 PM
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8. Don't forget what he did for the military
they get to wear berets now

Seriously that is the only tangible or material thing that W did to/for the military before 9/11 oh and they didn't like it one bit either.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:27 PM
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27. The one Bush allowed to escape in the caves of Tora Bora cause
Bush was so busy planning an Iraq War, you mean? That Osama?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:24 PM
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5. And folks need to point out that the knowledge base was NOT just
eight lousy months. It is a small point, but an IMPORTANT one.

The Monkey and his zoo crew were NOT in suspended animation during the Clinton years. They SAW what Clinton was doing vis a vis OSAMA, and further, they were privvy to a slew of briefings during the period when the election was contested, and of course AFTER the Supreme Court stole the contest for the Monkey.

So they had eight months plus eight years of watching Clinton's efforts under their belts. They had full briefings during the turnover phase. And subsequently, they've had from NAHN WUN WUN to this very fucking day to make up for all that lost time. But they've done nothing but shit in every corner of the globe, and fail to clean it up.

They are INCOMPETENT. Or COMPLICIT. Take your pick.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:30 PM
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7. Tens of millions of Amerikans care not a whit and look at the bright side:
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 03:30 PM by indepat
we got our Pearl Harbor-type event which enabled implementation of RW PNAC agenda including passage of the already-written US Patriot Act. Every cloud has its silver lining.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:32 PM
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9. Clark has spoken about this many times....

General Wesley Clark, the late entry into the race for the Democratic nomination for president, is making what critics called a “bizarre,” “crackpot” attack on a small Washington policy organization and on a citizens group that helped America win the Cold War.

In a Tuesday interview with Joshua Micah Marshall posted yesterday on the Web site talkingpointsmemo.com, General Clark gave his evaluation of the Clinton presidency. He said that the Clinton administration,“in an odd replay of the Carter administration, found itself chained to the Iraqi policy — promoted by the Project for a New American Century— much the same way that in the Carter administration some of the same people formed the Committee on the Present Danger which cut out from the Carter administration the ability to move forward on SALT II.”
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2003/10/02&ID=Ar00100



Wesley Clark's Conspiracy Theory
The general tells Wolf Blitzer about the neoconservative master plan.
by Matthew Continetti
12/01/2003 2:00:00 PM

Yesterday on CNN's "Late Edition," for example, Clark said--not for the first time--that the Bush administration's war plans extend far beyond Iraq.

"I do know this," Clark told Wolf Blitzer. "In the gossip circles in Washington, among the neoconservative press, and in some of the statements that Secretary Rumsfeld and Secretary Wolfowitz have made, there is an inclination to extend this into Syria and maybe Lebanon." What's more, Clark added, "the administration's never disavowed this intent."

Clark has made his charge a central plank of his presidential campaign. Clark writes in his book, "Winning Modern Wars," that in November 2001, during a visit to the Pentagon, he spoke with "a man with three stars who used to work for me," who told him a "five-year plan" existed for military action against not only Afghanistan and Iraq, but also "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan." Clark has embellished this story on the campaign trail, going so far as to say, "There's a list of countries."

Clark's proof? None. He never saw the list. But, the general recently told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "You only have to listen to the gossip around Washington and to hear what the neoconservatives are saying, and you will get the flavor of this."

You probably get the flavor of what Wesley Clark is saying, too. It tastes, as THE SCRAPBOOK pointed out three weeks ago, like baloney. And sometimes, as in the case of yesterday's interview with Blitzer, it tastes like three-week-old baloney.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/445cqeal.asp




Bush used 9/11 as a pretext to implement Iraq invasion plan
Clark told me how he learned of a secret war scheme within the Bush Administration, of which Iraq was just one piece.
Shortly after 9/11, Clark visited the Pentagon, where a 3-star general confided that Rumsfeld's team planned to use the 9/11 attacks as a pretext for going to war against Iraq. Clark said, "Rather than searching for a solution to a problem, they had the solution, and their difficulty was to make it appear as though it were in response to the problem." Clark was told that the Bush team, unable or unwilling to fight the actual terrorists responsible for 9/11, had devised a 5-year plan to topple the regimes in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Iran, and Sudan.

Clark's central contention-that Bush used 9/11 as a pretext to attack Saddam-has been part of the public debate since well before the Iraq war. It is rooted in the advocacy of the Project for the New American Century, a neo-conservative think tank that had been openly arguing for regime change in Iraq since 1998.
Source: The New Yorker magazine, "Gen. Clark's Battles" Nov 17, 2003



Gen. Wes Clark layed out the PNAC mentality in a long article.

Here's some excerpts from Clark's article, "Broken Engagement"

During 2002 and early 2003, Bush administration officials put forth a shifting series of arguments for why we needed to invade Iraq. Nearly every one of these has been belied by subsequent events.
snip
Advocates of the invasion are now down to their last argument: that transforming Iraq from brutal tyranny to stable democracy will spark a wave of democratic reform throughout the Middle East, thereby alleviating the conditions that give rise to terrorism. This argument is still standing because not enough time has elapsed to test it definitively--though events in the year since Baghdad's fall do not inspire confidence.
snip
Just as they counseled President Bush to take on the tyrannies of the Middle East, so the neoconservatives in the 1980s and early 1990s advised Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush to confront the Soviet Union and more aggressively deploy America's military might to challenge the enemy.....
snip
As has been well documented, even before September 11, going after Saddam had become a central issue for them. Their "Project for a New American Century" seemed intent on doing to President Clinton what the Committee on the Present Danger had done to President Carter: push the president to take a more aggressive stand against an enemy, while at the same time painting him as weak.
snip
September 11 gave the neoconservatives the opportunity to mobilize against Iraq, and to wrap the mobilization up in the same moral imperatives which they believed had achieved success against the Soviet Union. Many of them made the comparison direct, in speeches and essays explicitly and approvingly compared the Bush administration's stance towards terrorists and rogue regimes to the Reagan administration's posture towards the Soviet Union.

And the neoconservative goal was more ambitious than merely toppling dictators: By creating a democracy in Iraq, our success would, in the president's words, "send forth the news from Damascus to Tehran--that freedom can be the future of every nation," and Iraq's democracy would serve as a beacon that would ignite liberation movements and a "forward strategy of freedom" around the Middle East.

This rhetoric is undeniably inspiring. We should have pride in our history, confidence in our principles, and take security in the knowledge that we are at the epicenter of a 228-year revolution in the transformation of political systems. But recognizing the power of our values also means understanding their meaning. Freedom and dignity spring from within the human heart. They are not imposed. And inside the human heart is where the impetus for political change must be generated.

The neoconservative rhetoric glosses over this truth and much else. Even aside from the administration's obvious preference for confronting terrorism's alleged host states rather than the terrorists themselves, it was a huge leap to believe that establishing democracies by force of Western arms in old Soviet surrogate states like Syria and Iraq would really affect a terrorist movement drawing support from anti-Western sentiment in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.clark.html



Apparently for the neoconservative civilians who are running the Iraq campaign, 9-11 was that catalyzing event—for they are now operating at full speed toward multiple, simultaneous wars. The PNAC documents can be found online at newamericancentury.org.

his new book, Winning Modern Wars, retired general Wesley Clarkcandidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, offered a window into the Bush serial-war planning. He writes that serious planning for the Iraq war had already begun only two months after the 9-11 attack, and adds:

I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan. . . . I left the Pentagon that afternoon deeply concerned."

A five-year military campaign. Seven countries. How far has the White House taken this plan? And how long can the president keep the nation in the dark, emerging from his White House cocoon only to speak to us in slogans and the sterile language of pep rallies?
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0342,schanberg,47830,1.html


Was David Brooks “careful not to say that Bush or neocon critics are anti-Semitic?” David Brooks was careful, all right. You can see how “careful” he was in the passage which slimed Wesley Clark:

BROOKS: The full-mooners fixated on a think tank called the Project for the New American Century, which has a staff of five and issues memos on foreign policy. To hear these people describe it, PNAC is sort of a Yiddish Trilateral Commission, the nexus of the sprawling neocon tentacles.
We’d sit around the magazine guffawing at the ludicrous stories that kept sprouting, but belief in shadowy neocon influence has now hardened into common knowledge. Wesley Clark, among others, cannot go a week without bringing it up.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh010904.shtml



There are many legitimate reasons to criticize the foreign and defense policies of the Bush administration, but Winning Modern Wars would have us believe that the president dangerously derailed the nation’s security policy and diverted resources from the war on terrorism to the dead-end enterprise in Iraq. He blames Bush for everything he believes has gone wrong, and gives him no credit for anything that has gone right, including major steps toward transforming the US military from a Cold War force to one more suited to the current and likely future security environment.

In Clark’s world, vulnerability to terrorism is all George Bush’s fault. Of course, Bush had only been in office for eight months when Al Qaida struck on 9/11. The threat had been incubating during the Clinton years, but that administration had done little or nothing to address it. The most Clark can say about the Clinton administration’s inattention to the emerging terrorist threat is that "in retrospect, it clear that he could have done more."

Clark is a member in good standing of the "Bush lied" school - an outlook based on the claim that the president and his advisers had intended to invade Iraq from the very beginning, and knowingly deceived Congress and the American people in order to drag them into this unnecessary war. As evidence for this, he cites a 1998 letter from an organization called the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) calling on president Clinton to remove Saddam from power. Those who signed the letter included Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/04/clark.html



EXCERPTS FROM HARDBALL INTERVIEW 12/17/04

CLARK: ...I think, you know, a guy like Bill Kristol, what he sees is that Secretary Rumsfeld‘s plan is not unfolding the way that the neocons thought it should unfold in the Middle East. This was supposed to be like a scaffold. You know, you just go in there and carve out Saddam Hussein, boom, the people are liberated. And they‘re all democratic. And then the Syrians jump on board and say, hey, by golly, come and save us too. And then the Iranians and the Lebanese.

It hasn‘t worked that way, because what the neocons didn‘t understand is, that you don‘t get the kind of Democratic reform you want in the Middle East at the barrel of a gun. And they‘re holding Rumsfeld responsible for that. But really, it‘s a flawed conception.

MATTHEWS: That‘s interesting. You‘re the first person I‘ve heard say that, general. Because a lot of people look at it much more narrowly and they say the reason we‘re getting criticism of the general is there aren‘t enough troops there. He said he had enough troops, when really in reality, it was the conception that justified the low troop level. Is that your point? That you did not need a lot of troops, because you weren‘t going to face much of an insurgency.

CLARK: .....One is the point of the neocons, which is not military at all. It is the point of the operation and the fact that you could sort of go in there and lance the boil of Saddam Hussein, get him out of there and everything would turn out OK. And it hasn‘t.
http://securingamerica.com/node/60



Wes Clark really is the man for the job to clean up the shitstorm we are now facing. He knows where all of the bodies are buried. Only Nixon could go to China....and so, it goes!





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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:39 PM
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38. crackpot
Yep, Wes was never one to fear being called a "crackpot" for speaking what he knew was true...even if no one else dared say it at the time....

My mom used to watch his TV appearances for me (I am cable-less) in the runup to his jumping into the race and then during his campaign. I'd talk to her afterward and she'd say "I'm worried about your guy. He's fearless. He doesn't worry about what he says. I'm afraid they're going to come after him." It was that fearless quality which she always noted during those interviews that turned her into a Clark supporter....

As Samantha Power said of Wes "The mark of leadership is not to stand up when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing." Hey, sometimes that means being called a crackpot...or a crazy General.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:33 PM
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11. True, but Clark's point is about Bush being held accountable for his watch
And Clark does that strongly. Saying Bush was "derelict in his duty as commander in chief" is not a term a military man throws out lightly. Any Vet understands exactly what Clark is accusing Bush of. If a sentry guarding a depot was found "derelict in his duty" he would be facing Brig time.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:42 PM
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14. Of course. But my approach is useful as an ADDENDUM to the argument
not as a main course.

Remember, you will argue these points with jackasses who never served in uniform. They think the military resembles what they saw on the Gomer Pyle television shows.

Having more than one way to stick it to them is like having a spare pistol in one's boot. You don't necessarily need to use it in a gunfight, but it's handy, just in case.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:58 PM
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16. I agree fully n/t
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:32 PM
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10. I love the way he just took the baton from Clinton's weekend interview
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:42 PM
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13. Yes.....that's what I noticed! The beauty of hard hitting Dems in action
is as good as watching the olympics!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:26 PM
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25. Me, too!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:34 PM
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12. Wes Clark is a fighting Dem
that keeps speaking the Truth no matter where he is in America. I :loveya: Wesley K. Clark! Proud to be on his team, The All-American Team!:patriot:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:04 PM
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19. Clark leading the charges! He's hitting the Red Territories, and
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 04:08 PM by FrenchieCat
Hitting them Hard! Just what we need ASAP for 2006!

Don't forget that Kick Ass commercial put out with VoteVet against Santorum and Allen...and as we know, Clark's involved in that too! :patriot:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/41592/
http://www.votevets.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=149&Itemid=49


(graphics apply for election 2006 as well!) :headbang:


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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:24 PM
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23. That spray can is
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 04:25 PM by Pithy Cherub
being used everwhere by courageous Democrats.

I stand in awe of your ability to always have factual Clark information available. :hug:
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:47 PM
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15. This is consistents with Clinton's smackdown of Wallace.
Clark, who conducted an earlier smackdown of Fox's ASSman, also repeats the point Clinton made, these people had done nothing leading up to 9-11. They then redirected resources to Iraq. Maybe all the Dems can get on message and stay on message. We have seen Dean send a DNC e-mail about this and the Senate hearings on the inadequate planning by bushco. This is a winner in November if they just stay on message, IMHO. Wes has been hammering this this message for quite a while and like the Generals testifying before the Senate, gives this message credibility.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:09 PM
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20. "we went to war in Iraq to cover up the command negligence..."
"we went to war in Iraq to cover up the command negligence that contributed to 9/11"

Clark said that in his keynote address to the Texas Democratic Party Convention in June of this year. Read the section of the transcript I included below for some other great unflinching slams at Bush's Administration related to 9/11. Clark has been holding George W. Bush accountable for not upholding his obligation to protect America prior to 9/11 from the moment he entered politics. I remember Clark getting flack early in 2004 for even suggesting that George Bush could have prevented 9/11 had he acted responsibly as President and focused on known threats to America. Very few Democrats were willing to go there, to even suggest that 9/11 should have been prevented. They wanted to praise Bush for his initial reaction to 9/11 and then attack him on subsequent decisions, but Clark never cut Bush that slack.

Clark gave an amazing speech at that Democratic convention. Links to the full transcript and video are below, here is the complete passage that the above quote was taken from:

"The truth is…the truth is we could be doing so much more. You know, when this administration came into office in January of 2001, they ignored the advice of the people who’d been in office for 8 years. We knew that Osama bin Laden was the principal threat to the United States of America but I guess George Bush thought he knew more than we did and so he just shoved it aside – he and Condi and Dick Cheney and the rest of the crowd. They didn’t want to hear it. Terrorism – that was a Democratic problem and when he was warned in the summer of 2001 that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike the United States, he went on vacation.

Now I can understand wanting to come back to Texas on vacation – it’s a pretty darn nice place down here and I can even understand wanting to chop cedar – I’ve got a little place in western Arkansas and I’ve been looking at all that stuff there and it makes me want to go out and chop every now and then too – but he shouldn’t have done it. It’s what I call ‘command negligence’ because… <applause> I think any reasonable person who was Commander in Chief at the time who had gotten a warning like that would have called the members of the cabinet together and said ‘fellas, ladies, I don’t know what this warning means but this is not happening on my watch – you put your heads together, you’ve got 2 weeks, you come up with an action plan – I want to know what you’re doing in the Justice Department, what the FBI’s doing, what DOD’s doing, what CIA’s doing’ – and he would have been a leader and he might have saved a lot of lives. <applause>

Now why am I going back over ancient history? Because it’s not ancient. Because we went to war in Iraq to cover up the command negligence that contributed to 9/11. <applause> And it was a war we didn’t have to fight. <applause> Thank you. That’s the truth and I hope every Democrat around this country sees you all on your feet acknowledging the reality of the world we’re living in today thanks to the misleadership of this Republican administration. I’ve been in war. I don’t believe in it and you don’t do it unless there’s absolutely, absolutely, absolutely - no alternative. <applause>"
http://securingamerica.com/node/1083


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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:09 PM
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30. Does anyone have a working link to the Asman interview?
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 07:10 PM by Jai4WKC08
When Clark, like Clinton, was visibly angry but not at all out of control.

I'd like to send it to someone.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:59 PM
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18. Go General!!!!
:patriot: :kick:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:14 PM
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21. That's MY MAN!!!
But I'll share:evilgrin:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:22 PM
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22. "Wes Clark's next stops... Arizona, Texas and Montana"
Wes Clark is out there in the trenches doing the non glamerous, some would say "grunt work", helping the local and State Democratic Parties in States that tilt Republican. This is the way to retake Congress, in places like these. We already have Democrats sitting in all of the safe Liberal leaning seats.

Wes Clark and Howard Dean are two Democratic leaders who understand the importance of challanging Republicans in every region of the country.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:02 AM
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41. . . . . and The White House
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:25 PM
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24. Bush never even bothered to read PDB for August stating Bin laden
determined to attack -- middle eastern men learning to fly commercial jets in Arizona...
Bush waiting for an accident to happen.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:28 PM
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26. Yep.....accident, or what-E-ver.....
and Condi couldn't have imagined anything....cause imagination's not her thang!
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:19 PM
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29. I was able to hear Wes Clark's speech in Owensboro, KY today...
He is a very impressive man. During his 30 minute speech, he never once stumbled over his words.

I was standing next to former Senator Wendell Ford. General Clark kept looking over at Senator Ford, and the old war horse just kept nodding his approval.

At the end of his speech, General Clark came over to shake Ford's hand; and I sneaked my hand into the mix to shake the General's hand.

I've been going since four this morning and waited almost two hours for General Clark to show up, but it was worth it.
I heard a lot of good political talk.
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:22 PM
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37. Hey Tom_Foolery
Thanks for the mini report....I'm glad you got to shake the General's hand. It pays to know who to stand next to, hehe....

If you have any more details, I'd love to hear them...

You can go post them on Clark's blog, CCN, too, if you get the time... http://securingamerica.com/ccn

We all love to hear first hand accounts of the General's travels...

Did you take any pictures, BTW?

Thanks!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:53 PM
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40. Very cool! Thanks for this account! n/a
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:29 PM
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31. Set them straight General!
:toast:
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:42 PM
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32. We need MORE Wes Clarks!
Clark is a real Dem. And a real fighter.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:57 PM
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33. Interesting...
On KO tonight, his "Special Commentary" mentions the same words. "For 8 months" Bush "did nothing." The blogosphere is raving over KO's commentary.

As usual, Wes Clark is leading the way.

And another example of his prescience:
Wes Clark testified before the House Armed Service Committee in 2002 and said an invasion of Iraq would "supercharge" terrorist recuriting. And the so-called Intelligence community is just figuring that out. :shrug:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:04 PM
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34. K & R!
Future President!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:09 PM
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35. Clark for President in 2008.
A great man needs to step up and take control in this uncertain time, Wes Clark is that man.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:21 PM
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36. I sense a coordinated message
While the delivery and forum is different, this has echos of Bill Clinton's smackdown of Chris Wallace and Keith Olberman's fiery commentary. The meme "Bush and the Republicans did nothing" is coming through loud and clear.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:52 PM
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39. I pray that this is the case!
Cause we've got to get this done and hammered wayyyyyy before November's voting day!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:55 AM
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47. Bingo!
That is what has been missing. We have had too many "Lieberman-type" messages dividing our Party.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:09 AM
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42. I was there. It was a fine day. There were a couple great
speakers, beautiful people, entertaining kids, very good band, cold beer, and fine BBQ.
Clark's plane had to navigate around a couple tornadoes, so he didn't get there until 5PM.
It was worth the wait.


Here's a couple images from the Family Day festivities.

Click on the Family Day folder.

http://homepage.mac.com/alfredo_tomato/FilesNsuch/FileSharing20.html
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:01 AM
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43. Very nice photos! Thanks!
I hope KY Dems got fired up and are ready for election day!! :headbang:

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:40 AM
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48. this Ky Dem is fired up and urge other Ky Dems to contact
Change for Kentucky, the Kentucky chapter of DFA.

http://www.changeforkentucky.com/

We're fighting the good fight.

If you are not from Ky, look up your local DFA chapter. You can do as much or a little as you want. You can phone bank, display a yard sign, or dive in head first and work campaigns. there's no pressure to do more than you want. Still, it is very gratifying to be involved in your community.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:10 AM
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44. K and R and Thanks Wes and all others winning 06
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:23 AM
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45. Wes Clark deserves a high-five for hitting the bricks for the candidates.
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 03:24 AM by AtomicKitten
His elegant expertise is sorely needed in the political atmosphere and candidates should consider themselves lucky indeed to be graced by a visit from Wes stumping on their behalf. For those complaining that he is a new Democrat, let me just say that converts are always the most ardent and he has an undeniable fire in his belly.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:43 AM
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46. And a high-five to his supporters who answered the call to "take the hill"
Unlike many elected officials who can fly on the public's expense, Clark must donate his time and pay out of pocket. Thanks to those who have contributed to help make his campaigning possible. Many realize that Clark has the ability to get the message to the people if they see and hear him in person.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:45 AM
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49. I'm proud to be one of those that kicked in what I could....
..He was my pick in '04 and will be my pick in '08.

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