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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:27 PM
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I'm caucusing in WA tomorrow; Kucinich is my candidate.
Any thoughts on particular talking points when I have the opportunity????

Mr. Pitt, what do you suggest?
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Dagaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:29 PM
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1. Is this like the Iowa process?
Will you meet up and go through the stage 1 stage 2 type stuff?
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:39 PM
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8. I think so.
As it's been explained to me, all voting Democrats and Democrat poseurs will be getting up too early in the morning and meeting at school houses, fire stations, etc.

We have to register and promise that we are actually Democrats. Then, we declare our candidate to the room. We then break up into precincts and eventually a final vote is taken.

I've been told that we're also going to discuss the party platform and elect the regular delegates to the convention.

My local party is as hard to find as a fork in a freeper family tree, but I am very excited to go to the caucus.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:30 PM
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2. good luck!
Glad to know a few of my former neighbors are pulling for DK! :hi:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:31 PM
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3. I'm caucusing in Michigan tomorrow!!
It's going to be a great day for Democrats!!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:32 PM
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5. MrsGrumpy, please let us know how it goes!
We expect a full report from our primary-ers and our caucus-ers, for lack of better terms. :-)
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:33 PM
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6. You betcha! I just hope the weather warms up a bit.
Heheheh! :hi:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:14 AM
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17. Wear your thermal underwear! ;-)
We call 'em long johns here, or union suits, but you get the idea. Looking forward to your report!

Here's a hot cocoa toast to ya :toast:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:31 PM
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4. That's great, nannah!
Please report back tomorrow evening and let us know about your experience.

:toast:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:35 PM
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7. Good luck and have fun.
GO DK and nannah! I will be doing the same in March. Let us know please.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:48 PM
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9. Pick what will resonate with your fellow caucusers.
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 11:50 PM by revcarol
Sit around and schmooz some with them before the caucus starts. Find out about them. Bring some doughnuts to share.

If you can't do any of those things, when it is your turn to speak, ask questions, like:"Do any of you have friends or relatives in Iraq, or about to go?" Then talk a bit about how Dennis is the ONLY one to end the occupation. Then, quickly go on to the next question: "Are any of you unemployed or afraid of losing your job?" Then DK sell points, QUICKLY. Then, "are any of you without health care and do you worry what would happen if you got sick?"Quick sell points. Then take a question or two, "Do any of you have questions on where DK stands on anything...and answer their questions.
The whole thing could take less than 5 minutes.

I talked 29 people into going for Jesse Jackson when not ONE was for him before. You have to address THEIR CONCERNS.

WARNING: SET IT UP WITH THE PRECINCT OR SITE CHAIR THAT EACH CANDIDATE WILL GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME---BEFORE you start discussing the differences between the candidates, and each speaker must have this time UNINTERRUPTED by others.


















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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:59 PM
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10. thanks for the points`
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:01 AM by nannah
My polling place is on the Ft. Lewis side of Olympia/Lacy, so likely to be military families. The Stryker brigade comes from here, there have been casualities from this area.

any thoughts on how to address military families?
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:06 AM
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12. The issues pages from kucinich.us
Dennis has a plan to get our troops home, all the other canidates will continue the occupation for the forseeable future. Get the UN in and the US out. Bring our troops back to their loved ones.

Maybe this would be helpful as well for veterans: http://www.kucinich.us/issues/veterans.php
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:12 AM
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16. I think there's some good information about DK's military benefits record
Dennis has been steadfast in his support of military personnel, and since you are in a heavily military area, I would suggest reading up on his voting record in that regard.

Secondarily, I strongly suggest the medical issue, and being thoroughly versed in that, because there are SO MANY people who are *very* angry, and quite hurt about how they have been shafted medically. Most people are quite fed up with our system. Also, Dennis spoke against and voted against the danged Medicare bill, so if you have a number of older people, that is a good topic.

Good luck! I'll be thinking of you! My caucus isn't until March, so I'm glad you brought this up... I need to start practicing my "speech". ^_^

Kanary :) :hi: :)
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:02 AM
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11. He will stop the outsourcing of american jobs and he wont allow america
to be sold out did you see lou dobbs tonight it offered some great talking points Point out that old school conservatives are pissed at bush because of freetrade and the patriot act
might i add :yourock:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:06 AM
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13. Dennis is the representative of the people
He has so many positive policies, and he has fresh perspectives on seemingly impossible issues.

Tell Washington that Kucinich wants less war and more jobs. Less desolation and more community.

I hope he does well!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:07 AM
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14. Talking points:
Hm. Is my candidate absolutely right on everything but the flag amendment? Why yes. Yes he is.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:09 AM
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15. If you need help becoming viable, go talk to the Edwards people
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:11 AM by sgr2
They'll help you. We pitched in 3 separate pricincts in Iowa to make Kucinich viable (Having enough for a delegate). There's more of a connection, of course, in terms of domestic politics.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:19 AM
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20. Kucinich = voting my beliefs; voting for the best possible candidate
I feel very frustrated by the way the media is invalidating Kucinich by ignoring him. He has been erased by the ultimate censorship: invisibility by design.
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iowapeacechief Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:29 AM
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29. Is there an Edwards alliance today?
Wasn't that only for Iowa?
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 08:37 AM
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33. No deal that has been announced or mentioned
as far as I know. Even so there is a potential for Edwards' supporters to repay the favor Kucinich supporters did them in Iowa. (no insult intended to Edwards supporters intended, it just appeared that you guys had more viability so we did more of the switching.:-) )
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:17 AM
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18. I'd focus on the economy. Explain that DK

opposes the war not just because war should always be a last resort and because 500 Americans have died so far

and not just because there was no reason for it, it wasn't pre-emptive but preventive ("They might get WMD someday so let's take them down now")

but because of all the money it's costing us, at a time when we have so many domestic needs.

Most people know the US is concerned about fair elections there and will be building schools and roads and more for Iraq, providing every Iraqi with free health care. Most people think we ought to be doing these things for our own people first. The issue of health care particularly rankles most people.

Explain that DK wants the occupation ended ASAP to save lives and money (and keep Halliburton and other friend-of-Dubya firms from profiting.)

DK would end NAFTA and WTO to stop the loss of jobs from the USA.

He would replace NAFTA with fair trade agreements, bilateral trade agreements that protect workers' rights, unions, and the environment.

DK would also set up a new WPA (Works Progress Administration) to help unemployed Americans by providing them jobs with decent pay. This was one of FDR's programs that helped the US recover from the Great Depression. WPA workers would rebuild roads, bridges, other parts of our infrastructure.

DK would make Expanded Medicare for All available to every American, so that everyone would be able to obtain health care.

Ending the war and cutting the Pentagon budget by a small amount (15%) would finance DK's programs.

DK would also do away with Bush's tax cuts for the rich, including the plan to do away with the estate tax. Estate taxes are only collected on large estates ($750,000 is the lower limit, I believe) and they have never caused the loss of a family farm (according to a study by the American Farm Bureau -- I think it's the AFB, it's probably on Dennis's site.) Willie Nelson supports Dennis largely because of farm issues. DK would also break up agribusiness monopolies to encourage the return of family farmers.

DK would also:

break up the media monopolies so our radio, tv and newspapers wouldn't be so much the same.

repeal the PATRIOT Act which infringes on our civil liberties.

decriminalize marijuana, making it legal for medical or recreational use. There would still be penalties for selling marijuana to a minor, driving under the influence, etc., but people who chose to use it responsibly could do so. This would save money on courts and prisons.

Focus on the economy because it affects everyone.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:17 AM
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19. Go to DK's site and research JOBS, JOBS, JOBS...
as well as military, vet issues on which he is THE BEST.
Doesn't Washington state come close to having the highest unemployment % in the nation?

Here we have THIRTY PERCENT unemployment, and I talked to people about Dennis & labor, Dennis & jobs...and they went for DK in a 5:1 margin over the total of all other candidates.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:21 AM
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21. 10-Key issues
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:27 AM by cosmicdot
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/10key.php

perhaps you could do a one-page hand-out ... type it up and make some copies to take with you ... include the website URL http://www.kucinich.us tinoire has a nice thread in the politics/campaign forum http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=10913

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=109944

This is what a Kucinich administration would work to deliver for America:

<1> Universal Health Care with a Single Payer Plan

Over 40 million Americans have no health care and 30 million more have only minimal coverage. Those with coverage often pay exorbitant amounts. The current profit-driven system, dominated by private insurance firms and their bureaucracies, has failed.

A Kucinich administration would establish streamlined national health insurance, Enhanced Medicare for All. It would be publicly-financed health care, privately delivered. It would provide affordable prescription drugs, thanks to bulk purchasing. The General Accounting Office of Congress has concluded:

"If the U.S. were to shift to a system of universal coverage and a single payer, as in Canada, the savings in administrative costs would be more than enough to offset the cost."

<2> Full Social Security Benefits at Age 65

Social security is the basic covenant our society has with workers who have built our economy. At a time when CEOs earn 240 times the pay of the average worker, it is unconscionable not to return full retirement benefits to age 65.

A Kucinich administration would make that possible through a progressive tax structure and reordered national priorities. Social Security must not be privatized. Retirement years cannot be dependent on the rise and fall of the stock market.

<3> Withdrawal from NAFTA and WTO

The global trade regime of NAFTA and WTO has enriched multinational corporations. But for workers, family farmers, and the environment, it has meant a global race to the bottom. Companies leave the U.S. in search of low wages, low commodity prices, anti-union climates, and lax environmental laws. NAFTA has been used to whipsaw workers at the negotiation table, forcing wages and benefit concessions under threat of moving jobs overseas. Trade treaties must be conditioned on workers’ rights, human rights, and environmental principles.

Among the first actions of a Kucinich Administration will be withdrawal from NAFTA and the WTO—to be replaced by fair trade agreements.

<4> Repeal of the "Patriot Act"

The "Patriot Act" is not what American patriots have fought and died for. To allow our Bill of Rights to be nullified without judicial supervision invites tyranny. The Attorney General has been handed unfettered power to wiretap, search, jail, and invade our most sacred right to privacy. The government must not be allowed, without probable cause or warrant, to snoop on our communications, medical records, library records, and student records.

<5> Right-to-Choose, Privacy, and Civil Rights

In a Kucinich administration, a woman’s right-to-choose will be protected as essential to personal privacy and gender equality. Only those who agree to uphold Roe v. Wade will be nominated for the Supreme Court. Civil rights (and voting rights) enforcement will be intensified. Lesbians and gays will be afforded complete equality throughout society. Affirmative action will be maintained as a tool for racial and gender equality. Drug policy will emphasize treatment over criminalization, and not a rampaging war that erodes Constitutional freedoms, privacy, and law enforcement resources. An end to capital punishment will be sought.

<6> Balance Between Workers and Corporations

American workers are working longer and harder for less pay than 20 years ago. What’s needed is a resurgence of organized labor, and a Kucinich administration will tenaciously defend the rights of workers to organize and bargain collectively. Since the purchasing power of the minimum wage has dropped 21% in two decades, it’s time for living wages, not minimum wages. And it’s time to reverse tax cuts that benefit the already well-to-do, and retain an estate tax. Investing $500 billion to rebuild schools, roads, bridges, ports, and sewage, water and environmental systems will do more to stimulate our economy than tax breaks for the wealthy.

<7> Guaranteed Quality Education, Pre-K through College
Since education is the only proven way to reduce poverty, it is unacceptable that a child’s education be dependent on where they are born or the financial status of their family. The federal government spends only 2.9% of its budget on education. That will change under a Kucinich administration, because quality education is a core American right and value.

Education must emphasize creative and critical thinking, not just test-taking. Schools need money to decrease class size, increase teachers’ salaries, renovate decaying facilities, and include hands-on job training for those not going to college. Pre-K and after-school programs will get increased funding, and the soaring costs of college will be reversed.

<8> A Renewed Commitment to Peace and Diplomacy

America will return to its role as the most admired—not hated—nation. The doctrine of "pre-emption" will be retired, as will an aggressive, unilateralist foreign policy that makes our homeland less secure, not more. Our security will be enhanced by working with other nations and the U.N. instead of acting like an Empire, arrogantly undermining international agreements such as the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological and Chemical Weapons Conventions, the Small Arms Treaty, the International Criminal Court, and the Kyoto Climate Treaty. As President, Kucinich will work to implement two measures he sponsored in Congress: the Space Preservation Treaty, which bans space-based weapons, and a cabinet-level Department of Peace, to establish non-violence as an organizing principle in both domestic and international affairs.

A Kucinich administration will cut bloated and unneeded weaponry from a military budget that now almost equals the military spending of all other countries combined. The Kucinich peace dividend will be invested in education, health care, environmental clean-up, urban infrastructure, Social Security, veterans’ benefits, and other pressing domestic needs.

<9> Restored Rural Communities and Family Farms

Agriculture, trade, and economic policies that favor agribusiness conglomerates have devastated family farmers, rural communities, and the environment. While the number of family farmers has plummeted, profits have soared for a handful of agribusiness giants that increas-ingly control everything from seed to shelf.

A Kucinich administration will break up agricultural monopolies and restore a strong, independent family farm system with fair prices for farmers and healthy food for consumers. A Kucinich Administration will monitor and reduce contamination of our air, water, and food from factory farms, with strong USDA enforcement of tough new food safety laws.

<10> Environmental Renewal and Clean Energy

Clean air and water, as well as an intact ozone layer, are not luxuries, but necessities for our children's future.

A Kucinich administration will toughen environmental enforcement, support the Kyoto Treaty on global climate change, reduce oil dependence, and spur investment in alternative energy sources, including hydrogen, solar, wind, and ocean. Clean energy technologies will produce new jobs. Tax and other incentives will favor sustainable businesses that conserve energy, retrofit pollution prevention technologies, and redesign toxins out of their manufacturing processes. The right to know (for example, when food is genetically engineered) will supercede corporate secrecy. Globally, the U.S. will become a leader in sustainable energy production and a partner with developing nations in providing inexpensive, local, renewable energy technologies.


Who is Dennis Kucinich?

Congressman Kucinich of Ohio is a modern "Profile in Courage." In the late 1970s, as the youngest mayor ever of a major city, Dennis bravely said "NO" to an Enron-like takeover of Cleveland's city-owned power company, Muny Light. In retaliation, major banks—which were interlocked with the private utility that would have become a monopoly by seizing Muny—drove the city into default. Dennis’s political career was derailed...until 15 years later, when he was vindicated for resisting a corporate power grab and saving Cleveland residents hundreds of millions of dollars on their electric bills. In five consecutive winning elections since 1994, his campaign symbol has been a light bulb.

Elected to Congress in 1996, Dennis has continued to wage courageous battles for workers, consumers, the environment, and civil rights. He is the only presidential candidate who voted against the civil liberties-shredding "Patriot Act." He rallied opposition to the illegal and destabilizing Iraq war—from a small group of Congressional dissenters to the nearly 2/3 of House Democrats who ultimately voted against the war resolution. He co-chairs the Progressive Caucus, the largest caucus of Democrats in Congress. Dennis Kucinich is a heartland politician who can win elections. When he became mayor, state senator, and then Congress member, he defeated a Republican incumbent each time. In 2004, he hopes to defeat another one: George W. Bush.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:45 AM
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22. thanks for your clear information
It will be very helpful for me tomorrow.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:04 AM
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24. Thanks for putting all that together! I'll be using it also.
I hadn't thought of taking handouts to my caucus.. great idea.

Now I feel more prepared... still have a couple of months so I'll do some more on this.

Thanks

Kanary :)
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:52 AM
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23. Good luck!
I'll be caucusing for Clark tomorrow, but the more people we get to the caucus, the more voters we'll have come November to give Bush the BOOT.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:52 AM
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25. kick
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 02:13 AM
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26. Hey, I'm here in Washington, and will caucus for Kerry
But if I have to shift, Kucinich is my next choice. I've worked hard for the last five months, but I'm not so jaded as to believe that my guy is THE guy for Washington state.

Good luck tomorrow!

Kurt
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 02:31 AM
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27. Dennis is the strongest candidate on the economy that will determine Nov.
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 02:33 AM by genius
JOBS: Dennis wants to bring jobs back to America by canceling NAFTA and the WTO. The only candidate who is close on this issue is Edwards and Dennis is best. Dean's said in a recent debate he would not cancel NAFTA.

Budget: There is a lot of duplication in the military budget. They misplaced a fleet of helicopters and bought another one. Star Wars used a homing beacon. The enemy won't so it's useless. This money could be used for education and health care. He is also going to stop the direct payments to Halliburton for stealing Iraq's resources. We lose money. The Iraqi's lose their property. It's bad for all. His plan to get the U.N. in and the U.S. out is cost-effective for all - except Halliburton.

Health care: We are already paying huge premiums to insurance companies for health care. Dennis's plan will save us this money and provide full (not low quality or partial) health care for all.

College: Kids can go to college for free. The money is available. It just has to be re-allocated.

Trust: Kucinich has a track record no one else has. He has proven he won't go back on a promise-even to save his life or his career. He led the fight against U.S.A.-PATRIOT and the war in Iraq. He was the only one of the candidates who did not buy into the weapons of mass destruction lie. The truth has proven he had better insight into foreign affairs than all the other candidates.

CHOICE: Don't let anyone throw you on this. Dennis was always pro-choice. His only issue was on the funding and he has shown he will listen to women's groups by changing his position on this. It happened long before he became a candidate.

ELECTABILITY: A 74% margin in a 50-50 area and a history of beating Republican opponents is electability.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 02:44 AM
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28. The trouble with caucuses...
You may not be able to vote for your guy. What will you do if Kucinich doesn't get the threshold?

I hope Dennis kicks unholy butt. However, you may have to caucus for someone else. I recommend a strategic choice (The guy most likey to keep the race going. yeah, that means not Kerry.)
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iowapeacechief Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:33 AM
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30. Talking points are fine--but don't assume you'll get to talk at the caucus
Not formal talking, I mean. The important thing is finding fellow Kucinich supporters and working with them to bring others into your group. The more of this you can do before you arrive at the caucus site, the better your chances of sticking together and winning anything!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:43 AM
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31. nannah
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 06:48 AM by HFishbine
Good luck at the caucus. I'm a Dean guy who has pledged, if Kucinich is still a viable candidate by the time my primary rolls around (in May), that I'll vote for him.

If Kucinich doesn't make 15% at your caucus tomorrow, and you have to chose a second choice, please consider these Dean/Edwards comparisons.

1) On Capital Punishment

In an interview with Tim Russert on MTP, Dean explained that, while he used to be against the death penalty under any circumstances, the murder of Polly Klaus and a similar case in Vermont had him reconsider. (1)

He now believes "the death penalty should be available for extreme and heinous crimes, such as terrorism or the killing of police officers or young children. But it must be carried out with scrupulous fairness." (2) (See footnote for further action Dean would take regarding capital punishment.)

This is certainly a little closer to Kucinich's position than Edwards who voted to pass a bill that would allow children as young as 14 to face the death penalty (3). That bill is now law.

2) On Labor

Edwards twice voted against raising the minimum wage by a mere $1 over three years.(4) He voted to nearly double the number of H-1B visas to allow more foreign workers to enter the country. (5) He also voted to change bankruptcy laws to make it easier for creditors to force debtors into a payment plan. (6)

Dean, on the other hand, supports a myriad of pro-labor positions too numerous to list here. They include card check off for union membership (ask a union person how important that is), signed a bill in Vermont to prohibit permanent replacement of striking workers and would do the same for federal employees, and signed the most sweeping family leave law in the country while governor. (7)

3) On the War

Dean frequently misspoke about being the only candidate to have opposed the war. It was something that made this supporter cringe. However, he was also the only candidate to ever give Kucinich props for his vote against the war on national TV -- on several occasions.

Dean said, time and time again, that he didn't think the evidence at hand supported attacking Iraq. Like Kucinich, Sharpton and Braun, he was among those who never voted for the war.

Edwards, as we know, voted for the war resolution that Kucinich voted against. To this day, he still says that, not only was his vote correct, but that we were right to go to war. He thinks attacking Iraq was the right thing to do.

4) Withdrawing Troops from Iraq

Kucinich and Sharpton are the only candidates who support an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq (within 90 days). None of the candidates however are suggesting we leave a power vacuum. Denise, just like Dean, thinks that the way to get our troops out is to get multi-national forces in and Dean has a very clear and reasonable plan for doing so. (8)

5) Health Care

Only Sharpton and Kucinich favor single-payer health care. The differences between Dean and Edwards are significant. Edwards' proposal would expand health care by mandating that families insure their under-21 children. Those who can afford to purchase coverage through an insurance company will receive tax credits worth roughly $300. Poorer families will be required to pay to enroll their children in CHIPS (a government sponsored child insurance plan). The poorest children, as they are today, will be covered for free. Edwards plan incentivises the purchase of private insurance for children. He offers no solutions for un-insured adults.(9)

Dean's proposal would expand CHIPS to cover people up to age 25 for middle and low income families. Adults who make up to 185% of the poverty level, would also be able to buy into CHIPS. To provide assistance to those who make more than 185% of the poverty level, Dean would create a health system similar to the one offered to federal employees and he'll offer tax breaks to make it more affordable. (10)

It is Dean's plan that offers the broadest coverage. Edwards' plan is more narrow, offers no help to uninsured adults and it would funnel money (by mandate) to insurance companies.

6) Military Spending

Edwards voted to approve Bush's military budget every year he's been in office. (11) Edwards also voted to approve the National Missile Defense System (12) but voted against a bill that would require sanctions against China if they were found to be selling WMD.

Howard Dean pledges to keep our fighting force the most effective in the world, but he is clearly against the development of "battlefield" "bunker busting" or "low yield" nuclear weapons (13)(Edwards? Since he voted for Bush't miliatry bugets, he must favor them).

Dean also would actively seek to make the use of military force obsolete by asserting America's role in the world as a peaceful nation. He would seek to strengthen international alliances and repair damaged relations. He rejects the notion of pre-emptive war (which Edwards embraces to this day) as anything but a last resort and only when absolutely necessary to secure our country. (14)

We haven't even touched on the issues of civil liberties and GLBT rights, on which there are also marked differences between Dean and Edwards, but any honest look at the facts will clearly show that on principles and policies, Dean is far closer to Kucinich than Edwards.




1) http://www.demog.berkeley.edu/~gabriel/dean2004blog/Dean_MTP_June_22_2003.htm

2) http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/cg/index.html?type=page&pagename=policy_statement_civilrights_capitalpunishment

3) http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2264&can_id=CNC68243

4) http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2644&can_id=CNC68243

5) http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2915&can_id=CNC68243

6) http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2658&can_id=CNC68243

7) http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/cg/index.html?type=page&pagename=policy_statement_labor

8) http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/cg/index.html?type=page&pagename=policy_policy_foreign_iraq_7pointplan

9) http://www.johnedwards2004.com/healthcare-children.asp

10) http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/cg/index.html?type=page&pagename=policy_statement_health

11) http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=CNC68243

12) http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2187&can_id=CNC68243

13) http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/cg/index.html?type=page&pagename=policy_policy_foreign_issue_nuclearweapons

14) http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/cg/index.html?type=page&pagename=policy_statement_foreign

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:45 AM
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32. good luck!!
Let us know how it went. :)
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 09:28 AM
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34. Best luck!
You might hit on the fact that DK is the only candidate talking about taking less money out of our pockets (making healthcare both universal and non-profit, funding edu by shifting budget money from the obscenely-bloated Pentagon budget) AND putting more money into our pockets (pulling out of NAFTA and the WTO so that jobs stay here, rebuilding our infrastructure by putting people to work in non-profit -or at least minimal-profit- projects).
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