I have just got to say I am sick and tired of the Dems eating their own.

[saracat]

And they do it not only on DU but on the campaign trail as well. I just spent part of the morning moving Democratic signs placed right in front of my husband's signs.It is enough we have to fight the repukes but to have to fight ourselves is just ridiculous. I come hear and read all this caca about people who aren't going to vote, or how much they hate so and so for their vote.I am just sick of it. Everyone always says that we don't walk in lockstep like the Repukes as an excuse. Well, unless we unite, we aren't going to win either. Jiminy Christmas, why can't you just vote for the guy with the D after his name(Or gal) and hold them to task later? We NEED to win this congress and it really doesn't matter if whomever is the "perfect" candidate.Barny Frank once said that congressmen are only perfect until they cast their first vote or something to that effect.There are lots of votes I hate but I would rather have a Democrat to hate than a Repuke any day!I just had to vent. I am so sick of all this backbiting.This is why the Repukes win.We turn on ourselves.You may not like it but the Dems are the best we have got.There isn't another choice.And we NEED to take back the house and the Senate for the sake of everyone in this country.And we need to win state offices too.So quit bellyaching on an internet bulletin board and get to work!

[Greeby]

1. If they acted like our own, we wouldn't be eating them, so to speak nt

[saracat]

2. But what IS our OWN? All Dems don't necessarily agree.

We shouldn't be forcing our candidates into a little tiny place that only a few can see. Candidates running in Repuke District just wouldn't get elected.And that would be better how? If we don't become the majority, we will never get to set the agenda and that is the most important thing.

[derby378]

3. I'm confident that all of our Texas Democrats oppose torture...

...with only a couple of exceptions, which I'll decline to name in a deperate attempt to preserve the spirit of "innocent until proven guilty" that we Americans cherish.

[acmejack]

6. Their votes fail to bear out your belief.

Three, count them three, Texans. http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2006&rollnumber=491

edit: Cuellar doesn't really count as a Democrat.

[derby378]

10. I'm referring also to the Democratic challengers...

...such as Barbara Ann Radnofsky (who will replace Kay Bailey Hutchison in the Senate), Nick Lampson (who's going to replace Tom DeLay), Dan Dodd, John Courage, Charlie Thompson, Ted Ankrum, etc.

[derby378]

22. And, actually, I think your count is wrong...

We have two Texas Dems who voted for torture: Chet Edwards and Henry Cuellar. I didn't see a third in that list.

[blm]

9. Y'know, if Dems were in the majority, the centrists might FEEL more

comfortable and secure voting center-left, the way their possible fear drives them to vote center-right at this time.

Heck - Zell Miller used to be a solid left vote. Fear of not counting actually does drive some personalities, like Zell's.

[stillcool]

4. and there IS the problem...

It is not we versus they...it is us...all of us...as in we the people. Just because there is no media, so NOBODY knows half the shit that's going on...there is NO Excuse for the laws enacted and bills passed by this Congress...PERIOD. The 'public discourse' which is the crap invented by PR firms and read from a script by the all too popular cable news programs is so harmful yet many continue to watch. Why is that? Why would anyone want more bullshit rattling around in their brain? Why? Why get all hyped up about a "false argument". Can you believe all this talk about 9/11, and who did what...when it's 5 years later, and we have killed hundreds of thousands of people? And you don't want anyone criticized? I must be insane.

[gully]

5. Indeed. We would NOT be having this debate if Democrats were a majority

right now. I can't stand when the f-ing Nader voters come here every damn time we fail a purity test and say "I told you so." CORRECTION "WE TOLD THEM SO!"

[LoZoccolo]

28. And what's funny on top of that is...

...when something like Hurricane Katrina happens, or someone brings up the fact that we wouldn't even be voting on right-wing appointments and Supreme Court justices if Bush* weren't elected via Nader, all of a sudden they're like "why are you talking about five years ago?".

[jdlh8894]

7. Hold them to task later?

There is the biggest problem this nation faces. Between the time that "we" vote them in and the time "we" can hold them to task, they have already been sucking on the big teet and don't give a good GD about what "we" care about.

[saracat]

15. Really? Get rid of all the Dems you don't like and who will you vote for?

The GOP? If you drive these people out this year you guarantee a GOP majority again.What is the point of that? Or do you seriously believe it doesn't matter?

[KoKo]

8. Well then just go out and scrabble up some dirt to eat....

I have no sympathy for you! :sarcasm:

[flordehinojos]

11. eating their own? in these bush days, "democrats eating their own" sounds

more like "refusing to march in lockstep" like the republicans do; it also sounds like some sort of
"oxygen giving freedom of speech". "democrats eating their own" may be the only thing we have left of our constitutional freedom of speech.

[IndianaGreen]

12. You know that Bill Clinton said about torture, and Kerry said on the war

I fully concur and support Clinton and Kerry's positions!

Those that support Bush over Clinton & Kerry on those issues, such as the ones that just voted in favor of the GOP torture bill, deserve our scorn and enmity, not our support.

[treestar]

13. These threads are just annoying, because the repukes do the

same thing, for sure, people can't get along in lockstep all the time, but when it comes down to it, though I think the dems are idiots if they don't step up and oppose this torture bill, I will at least vote for them because I trust them better not to come up with this kind of crap in the first place. They just seem to have a better faith toward the people and are less likely to jump on the power-to-us first bandwagon the repukes seem to be on.

[Pushed To The Left]

14. I agree 100%! I live in California, and it looks like

Schwarzenegger is going to win pretty easily because too many Democrats won't support Angelides! As much as I can't stand the right wing, if Schwarzenegger wins it will be because Democrats didn't stick together and support the Democratic candidate. As far as Congress goes, there is absolutely no reason for any true Democrat not to vote for the Democratic candidates, especially with Bush as the president. We need checks and balances, and we don't have that right now. The number of Democrats in the House and Senate will directly determine which party will have the majority, so even victories by more conservative Democrats will help us!

[FrenchieCat]

16. Please don't use the California's gorvernor's race.....

If Arnold wins it's because he just signed the "Divesting from Sudan" Bill and the "Global Warming California" bill....and he gets all of the press, worldwide, I might add! http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/International/2006/09/28/1911013-sun.html

I ain't voting for arnold....but jeeze, that's not a good example. Angelides has disappeared from the state (I'm not saying it's his fault, but Arnold is really pulling out all of the stops!) and there are so few mentions of him, it's pitiful!

[mitchtv]

27. Arnold is winning cause Angelides

isn't running, he abdicated, and appears to have already given up. What a joke of a campaign

[AtomicKitten]

17. eating our own is a tradition

I am fully convinced that will never change. However, there is something to be said for spending less time on the internets and more time hitting the bricks. I'm trying to convince folks here in California that Schwarzenegger has an opponent and an election is coming up.

[MadHound]

18. And what would we "win" by doing so?

We will "win" the ability to be tortured, "win" the distinction of being spied upon, "win" the right to watch as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, "win" a ringside seat as the two party/same corporate master system of government takes us over the cliff and into the abyss. Yeah, march in lockstep and we "win" a lot.

Sorry, I want a party that stands up for my rights and for basic human decency. Once again, the Dems have proven that, with rare exceptions, they're not that party anymore.

[saracat]

25. Then why are you on "Democratic " Underground?

I expect a Board dedicated to the Democratic Party to support that party.If you don't support the Democrats, who do you support?

[democrank]

19. I`ll be voting (D) for certain

but that doesn`t mean I have to relinquish my right to speak out. Marching in lockstep like a Miniature Republican doesn`t appeal to me, especially on issues as serious as immoral invasions and torture.

[Punkingal]

20. If I can't complain here about a torture vote,

By someone who wants to be my Senator, then where can I? I will vote Democratic, I will even work for them, but I reserve the right to complain about my Senatorial candidate voting for the worst bill in the history of this country. Screw him. He's got my vote, but not my respect. As far as I am concerned, our leadership and our candidates are the ones who are eating their own, with their ridiculous cowardice and their know-it-all attitudes. Thinking they have to behave like Republicans all the time, afraid to speak out, even against TORTURE!!!! It's disgusting. And it's not our fault if they lose to those asshole Republicans, it is their own fault. I vote for Democrats, I contribute to Democrats, I work for Democrats, and I will continue to, but I am damn sick and tired of them letting us down, and I will continue to say so, because it is the truth.

[Stinkfoot]

21. We Won't Win By Rolling Over and Playing Dead

It is the Republicans that want to stifle debate and limit freedoms. We should be like them if we want to win? How about democrats try doing the honorable thing and let the chips fall where they may? Bush at least doesn't suck up to his opponents. Americans recognize courage and conviction and they also recognize craven opportunism. I'm not saying we march off the cliff clutching the "left wing manifesto", but why assume Americans are stupid and won't respond to sincerity?

[filer]

23. I'll rant and rave and wring my hands,

But on Nov. 7, I'm voting Democratic!

The "Party of Lincoln" has throughly disgraced itself through an unholy alliance of corporate greed, war mongering and religious intolerance. It is writing its own obituary as a major political party in this country.

Our party will face its own day of reckoning, and I believe a thorough cleansing will be in store, but that's for another day. For now, our best hope and the best hope for America is a Democratic majority!

Be a Yellow Dog. Vote Democratic!

[oasis]

24. kick

[LoZoccolo]

26. That's why I have like 800+ people on my ignore list.

I come here for certain things, like how to help our Democrats win. People who are here to countermand that generally don't get my attention! There's too much to do, for one.

I think it's hilarious too that people were up in arms about how the Democrats didn't fillibuster in the House, calling themselves activists while not knowing how the House works (no fillibusters).

And I saw yet another "what are you doing for 2006" thread sink like a rock a couple days ago!

[saracat]

29. There is another thread where it is a given and perceived as

that the GOP will be reinstated and posters are encourged not to vote Dem so the "bad" incumbants can be replaced and even if it takes two more years , we will be ideologically pure.GAG. I asked the poster what they were doing to make the Democratic Party better and naturally ,got no response. Insulting the Dem party and inciting against it on a Democratic Board is so very productive!:sarcasm: