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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:03 PM
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National Journal's White House 2008 Rankings - 9/27/06 edition
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© National Journal Group Inc.
Wednesday, Sept. 27, 2006
We're about six weeks away from the first official presidential announcement. All of the top-tier candidates will want to open up federal accounts for official fundraising as quickly as possible, particularly the candidates that didn't run last time like Mitt Romney, Mark Warner and Evan Bayh. What's not clear is when John McCain, Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards announce. They have the standing to wait a bit longer than others, but at the same time, they'd like to make sure their new challengers don't get too much oxygen. This should be fascinating to watch.

These rankings are based on a number of factors, including organization, money, buzz and polling. The candidates in our two top spots are the ones who are doing well in all four attributes. As always, these rankings are done in coordination with Hotline Associate Editor Marc Ambinder.





The Republicans
1. John McCain
Arizona senator Last Ranking: 1
Here's what we don't know: if the detainee disagreement hurt his standing among base conservatives in, say, Missouri; or how he'll finesse immigration if nothing calms the base by mid-2007. Here's what we do know: that reporters assigned to McCain better lobby airlines for direct flights from Charleston, S.C., to Des Moines, Iowa. McCain's team is spending more time building strong organizations in those states than in New Hampshire because he's approaching '08 from an entirely different angle. He needs a slingshot. McCain wants to win New Hampshire again, and he will dutifully assemble a team to help. But he MUST win Iowa and probably needs to win South Carolina. By winning New Hampshire as well, he would claim both the "establishment" and "independent" labels and put the kibosh on attempts by movement conservatives to outflank him. Almanac Profile



2. Mitt Romney
Massachusetts governor Last Ranking: 2
In New Hampshire, Romney wants to become the first presidential candidate for whom the endorsement of conservatives in that state signals to conservatives in other states that he's in the middle of the Reagan coalition and electable at the same time. It's hard to do. He's not exactly part of the establishment, although he seems to be consciously assuming the habits and policy positions of the conservative intellectual elite. His pragmatic streak and workmanlike style add a touch of independence. His PAC is ingeniously helping to run Jim Nussle's field operation in Iowa. New Hampshire Republicans believe he has the Gregg-Rath-Maiola axis all but wrapped up. However, Mormon skepticism, whether induced by whisper campaigns or in public, has begun to show up in South Carolina. Almanac Profile



3. Rudy Giuliani
Former New York City mayor Last Ranking: 3
Over the next few weeks, we expect to see many television ads featuring Giuliani standing with Republican candidates who want to display their anti-terrorism credentials, their independence or their moderate nature. We've said it many times, and we'll say it again –- there's no other evidence that he's begun to recruit or plan for a conventional presidential campaign. The Republican Party's terror bump may have helped him; his national numbers, if anything, are on the rise.



4. Mike Huckabee
Arkansas governor Last Ranking: 4
More than anyone else in the field except Romney, Huckabee benefits from George Allen's focus on his Senate race. Huckabee is really the only serious candidate with unquestioned credentials as a pro-lifer. That cred may not make him president, but it might grease the path to a VP nomination. At the very least, he'll be a grade-A gatekeeper. Now, if you can explain to us how Huckabee raises $20 million by January 2008, we're all ears. Almanac Profile



5. TBD
-- Last Ranking: --
We've dropped Allen from the top tier (see below), and there is no immediate replacement. We can make the case for George Pataki –- he's setting the stage to raise a lot of money early and by November will have working offices in South Carolina, Iowa and New Hampshire. If Newt Gingrich runs –- to win –- he's an easy number five due to his ability to raise money, his national name ID, and the lingering pleasant feelings he inspires in many a county chair across the country. But for now, this space remains open.





The Democrats

1. Hillary Clinton
New York senator Last Ranking: 1
From her election to the Senate until today, Clinton's path toward the presidency has been remarkably smooth and incident-free. Assume for the moment, then, that she has already decided to run. In November, you'll hear and see nothing. In December, as other Democrats start to formally announce, her small circle of advisers will begin to have formal conversations with key staff and donors across the country (of which news will leak out). In January, a real trial balloon will float. February will be devoted to preparing the country for her announcement. Bill Clinton will appear on Larry King Live. Carville and Begala will hit the circuit. She'll start to become more accessible. Will she get in before the first primary debate or after it? Can she wait until the fall? Can her donors hold out? Almanac Profile




2. John Edwards Former North Carolina senator Last Ranking: 2
It's not just Clinton vs. Edwards. It's the Clinton family versus the Edwards family. And boy, does Edwards have family. Wife Elizabeth is a stunning asset in her own right. Her new book will introduce her to tens of thousands of Americans in a real way, and it will further consolidate the warm feelings that many others have. Comparisons to the Clinton family – lovely as they may be – invite themselves without any prompting. Edwards' ability to keep his eye on the ball impresses almost every smart Democrat, although many Dem gurus don't quite understand where the money piece fits.




3. Mark Warner Former Virginia governor Last Ranking: 3
He's got gaffes! (tax cut repeal clarification, "evolving" his position on Iraq). He's got laughs! (Second Life, Hotline Burbclave, avatar) He's got great clips everywhere he goes! He's also got a shot to raise tons of money in the first quarter of 2007, and he's helping a LOT of Democrats across the country this cycle. So the only real question is: When does he get in? November? December? Is it bad for him that New York Magazine has already done its slobber-knocker? Almanac Profile




4. Evan Bayh Indiana senator Last Ranking: 4
If Democrats sweep Ind.-02, Ind.-08 and Ind.-09 in November, three Bayh Democrats will be on their way to Washington. Bayh will spend October stumping on their behalf. It's not for nothing that his major donor prop is a map of the bright-red Bayh counties in Indiana. Now, here's his big chance to prove that the "electable" Democrat can get other Indiana Democrats elected. Almanac Profile




5. Barack Obama Illinois senator Last Ranking: 5
You think we weren't serious last month? We are. All the big questions are being posed. Is his family ready for it? Does he know – or has he been told – what a presidential campaign would truly entail? How does he balance his ambitions with his skepticism? How does, as one Democrat asks, he know if it's his time? (That Democrat was Bill Clinton. Draw your own conclusions.) Hillary's team follows the Obama buzz with at least one eye wide open; the other is on Michael Bloomberg, believe it or not. Almanac Profile




The Rest and Wild Cards at:
http://nationaljournal.com/racerankings/wh08/
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:06 PM
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1. Nice to know the latest buzz among DC insiders.\nt
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:25 PM
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5. It changes every month
and what I found interesting this month was how keyed these (horse) races are to midterms too. Especially the comment on Allen.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:29 PM
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8. It is fun to read, I agree. I dont take it too seriously, that is all.
As I said, at this point, this is DC buzz, nothing else.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:08 PM
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2. Until the candidates announce they're running...
I'll take this with a grain of salt. BTW, why is Obama considering running for President, when he will have only had three years of experience in the Senate? It will make him look opportunistic to his constituents. He should wait until he gets re-elected, and consider 2012 or 2016.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:33 PM
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10. This is more about political "strategery"...
But Oprah did endorse Obama, so he will be President, doncha'know :D

If you read the entire post and followed my link, there is a reference about Bill Clinton not being know this early in the "game".

I also learned that depending on who the GOP nominates, Mike Bloomberg may run in 2008 as an Independent !
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:17 PM
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3. I can't believe they didn't even mention General Wesley Clark when
he has raised so much money for other Democrats and he has the knowledge and experience to deal with the war on terror.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:19 PM
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4. They do, but their ranking is all about DC buzz, not anything else and
certainly not ability to be president!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:28 PM
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6. They do, he's among The Rest
and much better than being a Wild Card !

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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:28 PM
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7. Evan Bayh ahead of Albert Gore?
yeah right
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:57 PM
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32. Bayh went over like a lead balloon when he came to NC recently.
:boring:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:30 PM
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9. Um, I'll wait til the movie comes out.
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 03:31 PM by AtomicKitten
The list is missing some key possible contenders.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:59 PM
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13. Did you read more at the link....
Which continues to list The Rest and the Wild Cards ? I can't think of anyone they left off?

I think Allen used to be a #2 and Obama was a Wild Card. What a Horse Race, eh?

This is stuff for pure political junkies :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:03 PM
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15. I did but should have been
precise in my comment. I was talking about the TOP TIER list that was missing some who IMO are possible and more likely contenders. I view some of this speculation as I do astrology, I only believe it in when it says what I want. Ha.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:08 PM
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25. That Top Tier shuffles both parties every month.....
And isn't speculation what we play on DU every time somebody posts a Presidential Favorite Poll ? Those are fun too, and why I throw out the Highest and the Lowest scores, like figure skating judging :D I'm a huge fan of this site, more so than one's like Larry Sabato, et al.

I WAS ESTATIC to see Allen drop, as he's been in the Top 5 for almost a year! Whew, I believe now :D
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:11 PM
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26. ha, ha - figure skating
first laugh I've had today - thanks

Thanks very much for the link. It is fun to watch !! And watching Allen implode is delightful indeed. :)
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:41 PM
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11. What a load of steaming Horse-Hockey!
That list of Democrats is ludicrous.

TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:49 PM
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12. the only surprise is Obama.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:02 PM
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14. Washington DC Conventional Wisdom......
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 04:12 PM by FrenchieCat
Who would have thunk it! :thumbsdown:


Let's see, they've got National Security preceived Strongman, John McCain as No.1, and on National Security, we've got.............................? :shrug:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:07 PM
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16. Hi Frenchie !
My threads are never complete without you :loveya:

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:09 PM
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18. I do try!
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MeanBone Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:08 PM
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17. Accurate representation of current polling and positioning
HRC has the money, the name, and the corporate media desperately want to cover "history in the making."

Edwards has the support in Iowa, highest favorables, attractive family and good early schedule.

Warner is considered the centrist on the rise, the business-friendly DLC'er with loads of money.

Bayh is viewed as the red-state realist who might win over Republicans like he has in Indiana.

Obama has the eloquence, amazing biography, and the capability to "shatter the barriers."





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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:11 PM
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19. Yes, thanks!
These lines do resonate...as of Sept 27...as do the other names in both parties further down the political food chain.

And Welcome to DU :toast:
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MeanBone Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:59 PM
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Thanks.
National Journal's assessment looks very similar to the one from last spring by ABC News Political Unit: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1754637#1

The notable differences being George Allen's macaca implosion on the Republican side and the meteoric rise of Barack Obama on the Democratic side.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:16 PM
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20. And not a one who can outdebate Kerry or Clark once the series of debates
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 04:18 PM by blm
begin.

Funny thing about most Democrats - they like to SEE their candidates in action and give a listen to their crafted proposals and especially assess how they handle the debates.

Then they decide.
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MeanBone Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:42 PM
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21. Kerry's support in Iowa has fallen...
...to about 1/3 of what it was in 2004. Edwards has retained his Iowa supporters. Clark decided to skip Iowa last time, which puts him at a competitive disadvantage. Perhaps that's why he's described as "not optimistic" by the National Journal.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:53 PM
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22. And then the debates will begin - and then when it is shown that some are
STILL not handling them as well as others, what will people do?

Soon, more people in this country will learn about the rigged machines in 2004 and realize that Kerry DID win and those Dems trying to paint him as a loser while bringing in more votes than any candidate in history, will look like THEY are the ones being manipulative of the 2004 outcome - not for the Dem party, but for themselves.

Maybe that's why so many bigname Democrats don't want election fraud discussed widely, eh? They don't WANT people to know Kerry won 65 million votes and beat Bush by a strong margin.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:59 PM
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23. I think that Clark has time to make up for his absence in Iowa.....
but I do agree that this puts him at a disadvantage.....for the time being. However, considering how little national press he gets, no matter what he does, he's doing damn good in the meantime....and this speaks volumes.

In reference to John Kerry, he's accustomed to being underestimated.

The media buzz is why those who are showing up in the top tier are there....so it really shouldn't be a surprise that they are being ranked as they are (since this is the whole point of media Buzz to begin with)! :crazy:

DC politics = National Press Buzz = Poll numbers = money = more national press buzz = more poll numbers, and so on and so forth...which is why even 40 days prior to midterm, the media continues with the dog and pony horserace show! They, the CW pundits are bent on effecting the race, if it is the last thing they do, which is why I don't let them disheartened me earlier than required.
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MeanBone Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:07 PM
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24. Good points.
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 05:11 PM by MeanBone
The pundits clearly want to spin things, but even they eventually get caught up in the "virtuous cycle."

The cycle of poll numbers --> fund raising --> free media --> poll numbers --> fund raising --> free media --> etc. becomes a powerful force as the campaign progresses, and it determines who gets treated as a serious contender and who fails to get enough "oxygen" to keep up with the pace.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:16 PM
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27. Has Clark left Fox ?
I hope so, since I read he has a new position at UCLA ? Sorry forgot the details, but would be really happy if he left Fox, I don't think that's helped him at all :(

Wasn't his Fox gig "national press" ? According to Newshounds, he always kicks butt as an analyst, but never saw that relate to "national press". I would love to see more of him on the national scene, especially here in WebbLand :patriot:
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:30 PM
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28. 08
To get the nomination you need diehard Dems to vote In Primarys. Now Warner,and Bayd ahead of
Feingold,Kerry,Clark,Dodd,Richardson,and Biden? The DLC must make this list.It IS crazy to list Obama since he just got elected in 2004.The Dem WildcArd Is without question Gore.If he runs expect
the primary race to become a Hillary-Gore battle.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:36 PM
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29. JRE at Number 2 and steady...n/t
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:03 PM
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30. Hillary will not win if she is nominated in 2008.
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 09:04 PM by Cascadian
Why are people all ready to crown Hillary as the nominee? It is 2006 and we haven't had the mid term elections yet. Besides, I do not think it would be wise for the Democrats to nominate Hillary as a presidential candidate. She is a lightning rod for the Neocons and she has moved too much to the right in my view. She would lose.


John

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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:47 PM
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31. The most recent Arkansas poll showed both Hillary and Clark beating
Huckabee. Of the three, Clark had the best numbers.

So I'm thinking that these Washington insiders know a lot less than us "regular" people do who live in the the rest of the country. Aren't these insiders the same people who say, "But, but, but the DEMS HAVE NO PLAN!!!"??? and "The economy is great, so why is everyone complaining!!!"???

:shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:19 PM
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33. Sho' you right......as always!
same cast of characters! Aren't they lovely! NOT!
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