MSNBC: Senate passes Terror detainee legislation 65-34!

[AX10]

:wtf:?

I want the names of the SOB's who backed this damn thing!

[stepnw1f]

1. These So-Called Dems are on the GOP Side

All treasonous cowards.

[WildEyedLiberal]

4. No the 34 voted no

There were 12 Dem traitors who voted yes:

Carper, Johnson, Landrieu, Lautenberg(???!!!!), Lieberman, Menendez, Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar and Stabenow

[AX10]

7. BASTARDS!

[stepnw1f]

11. Jesus.... I'm Sorry

[LSparkle]

12. ROCKEFEELLER? STABENOW?

I am absolutely incensed, especially about Jay R. Thought he was a good guy but ...

:wtf:

[bullimiami]

20. Nelson of Florida? FUCK HIM TO HELL. I wont vote for him, my wife and kids

will not, thats 4 votes he is NOT GETTING.

WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR TORTURERS OR ENABLERS.

[pnwmom]

28. And how will we benefit by helping to put a Rethug in office who

voted exactly the same way on this bill? But worse on a myriad of other bills?

I don't follow your reasoning. The time to get on his case is after the general election, after we have majorities in the House and/or Senate. Not before.

If Ted Kennedy had been head of Judiciary, do you think this bill would have ever made it out of committee? No way!

Hold your nose, vote for Nelson, and tell yourself that you're really voting for Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, and the other Dem Senators who will head major committees if incumbants like Nelson keep their jobs and we win a handful of other seats.

Then we can get to work on investigating the hell out of the Bush administration.

[IndianaGreen]

52. There is no difference between a Democratic torturer and a Republican

Keep in mind that you may be the one that gets tortured under this law.

[Clark2008]

61. Patrick Leahy would be chair of the Judiciary Committee,,, eom

[bluedog]

36. make that 5 more here in FL. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

48. Lautenberg? What the hell?!

I thought he was on our side.

[skids]

63. You mean 11 and one "Connecticut For Leiberman Party" one. n/t

[ProgressiveFighter]

67. Congratulations Democrats for voting for torture

Love you Landrieu, you're so amazing
</snark>

[LiviaOlivia]

25. The names:

~snip~

Final passage of the torture/detention bill was 65-34.
~snip~

Twelve Democrats voted in favor, 1 Republican and 1 independent voted against (there may be one or two errors because I compiled the list while listening to the vote):

Democrats in favor (12) - Carper (Del.), Johnson (S.D.), Landrieu (La.), Lautenberg (N.J.), Lieberman (Conn.), Menendez (N.J), Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.), Pryor (Ark.), Rockefeller (W. Va.), Salazar (Co.), Stabenow (Mich.).

Republicans against (1) - Chafee (R.I.).

Jeffords (I) voted against.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/george-bushs-vast-new-powers-of.html

[stepnw1f]

32. LIEBERMAN VOTED For

No surprises in that list.... each one has been consistantly voting in favor of Bush and the Right Wing agenda. I shouted out Loserman's name on purpose.... Lamont should use it against him in the election.

[Snivi Yllom]

64. my head is hanging low in shame

shame shame shame

[KyndCulture]

2. Landreiu and Lieberman voted aye

they don't count.

They were the only shitbags on the dem side that i heard.

[AX10]

3. Yet another reason for me to vote for Lamont!

[femmedem]

19. I can't write any more LTTE's for a while. Can you?

I truly believe the voters don't know exactly what happened today, but enough of them would care, if they did.

[bigwillq]

43. DING! DING! DING!

You are correct.

VOTE FOR NED! :bounce:

[WildEyedLiberal]

5. There were 12 shitbags

See my post above

[BobMorr]

9. replied instead of pm

mistake in replying-sorry about that

[WildEyedLiberal]

14. Friendly hint:

You should probably PM KyndCulture with your name and addy... this is a public board and lots of nasty people troll and lurk here... I was here for just a month when a freeper went to my profile, found my link to my homepage, found out my email address, and sent me a threatening email. Just a friendly warning - these fuckers are desperate and I'd hate to see you get harassed.

[Cascadian]

24. Well Lieberman's no surpirse.

The man will no longer be welcomed into the Democratic Party even if he does win over Lamont in November. He burned his bridges a long time ago.


John

[orleans]

55. the nelsons are no surprise either. neither is the queen of katrina

stabenow? what the hell is her problem???

[MaineDem]

6. Thomas doesn't have the roll call vote up yet

But it will be here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_2.htm

[MaineDem]

47. Roll call is here

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00259

Snowe didn't vote. She's had a death in her family. The woman who raised her just passed away.

[Supersedeas]

62. Specter - Yea????

[jellybeancurse]

8. I can think of one Florida Senator who is NOT getting my vote

:mad:

[soup]

13. Katherine Harris would be a better choice? n/t

[jellybeancurse]

16. I believe this falls under

douche v. turd sandwich

But seriously,so what if its R or D in that seat if they all vote the same way?

[MaineDem]

22. Makes a difference who has the majority

Who can call hearings, set agenda, etc.

[jellybeancurse]

23. I have no intention of voting for her

She is batsh*t crazy, but dammit...what motivation do I have to vote for Nelson at this point? As far as I am concerned his only campaign slogan is "I am less insane than Harris". That is not enough.

[pnwmom]

29. Because if Nelson keeps his seat, and we get a handful more,

then we'll have people like Ted Kennedy and Patrick Leahy in charge of Senate committees and a bill like this would never make it out of committee. Get it? We'll have people issuing subpoenas and investigating and exercising oversight vis a vis the Executive branch -- the way Congress has always functioned throughout history -- until now.

It's critical that we not lose ANY seats now -- instead, we have to pick up a few. So hold your nose and vote for the guy -- and imagine you're voting for Ted Kennedy instead. Because that's what you'll really be doing.

[jellybeancurse]

33. Thanks

I needed that advice. After so many votes like this....:banghead:

I have every intention of holding my nose, taking my Dramamine, and pushing the little button for Nelson.

[leesa]

49. Tell him you won't vote for him. Vote for him with nose pinched,

Most importantly, write him a letter informing him that you will work to see that he is prosecuted for his ILLEGAL, anti-constitutional approval of this bill.

[pnwmom]

57. Thank you, jellybeancurse.

Believe me, I know how you feel. The changes that Bush has brought are mind boggling -- almost inconceivable. I have two teenage sons and I am terrified about the road Bush is leading us down.

Welcome to DU!

[watercolors]

41. Can't do that!

He's just another Lieberman,I want a Dem who fights for his party!

[jellybeancurse]

45. Trust me I understand!

I'm seriously conflicted. Do I vote for him in the hopes that Democrats regain control (but let me be clear that I think it will have a VERY small impact on the overall attitude and ideology of essentially corporate sponsored "representatives") or do I not vote for either candidate b/c I consider them both equally morally bankrupt and worthy of my contempt?

:shrug:

[Solon]

42. And if one person is tortured due to the passage of this bill...

Nelson gets to do HARD time, right? He deserves nothing less.

[jellybeancurse]

46. Voting for this bill

is the equivalent of doing the torture yourself.

[soup]

27. R v. D

As disgusted as I am by Sen. Nelson - AGAIN - there is no way I could vote for Harris.

I am a bit confused by his vote on this, though. He voted aye for the amendments, then when push came to shove, voted for the final bill.

.Sigh. Politics? Doesn't want to appear "Soft on Terra?"
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/n000032/votes/

Reminds me of the IRW, and the calls coming into his office were something like a gazillion to one against - and he voted for it. Remember at the time reading that the reason was something along the lines of he had to consider those who hadn't called, too. (I really went WTF!? on that one.)



soup <--- Feeling very lost lately, but not about to vote for Harris.

[jellybeancurse]

30. Push comes to shove....

I'll vote for him over Harris. I know I will, but it makes me sick I have to choose between Bill "I condone torture" Nelson and Katherine "look at my boobs" Harris.

How can you be opposed to torture and then vote that way? I mean there is a serious democratic deficit in this country.

[pnwmom]

31. I'm feeling lost and disgusted and discouraged

but none of that's going to keep me from voting for every Dem on the ballot. The Republicans have had a lock on power for too long. We have to break it. And sitting out the election or voting for a 3rd party won't help a bit.

[cali]

60. I know you've heard this before

and I completely understand your anger, but there is a difference. Did you hear Senator Leahy yesterday? If we take the majority he replaces that traitor Arlen. Did you hear Kennedy yesterday? If we take the majority, he chairs, Health and education. If there's any way you can see to do it, vote dem for those reasons.

[watercolors]

40. no, just won't vote!

nt

[orleans]

56. yeah, sure she'd be a better choice. another boob job and maybe

a few nose jobs--she'd spend her six years in the recovery room (figuring out more evil ways to steal votes again)


on second thought--i don't think katherine is the best man

[Totally Committed]

10. Uh-huh.....

12 Democrats who voted yes:

Carper, Johnson, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Lieberman, Menendez, Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar and Stabenow

Almost every one of them (WTF... Lautenberg?) is DLC.

Ugh. Disgusting! ---- Every single one of these colluders is D I S G U S T I N G and a criminal.

TC

[WildEyedLiberal]

15. Lautenberg and Menendez floored me

WHY???

[bklyncowgirl]

26. Good Lord, and I was so sure they would vote the right way.

I e-mailed but did not call. That's what I get for trusting that the people I voted for will do the right thing.

[karynnj]

37. I don't get Lautenberg at all -

You could easily sell a no vote in NJ - I don't think either of these is DLC - they're both liberal.

[spooked911]

38. amen

[AtomicKitten]

17. This vote transcends party lines

(including bringing up DLC)

This vote goes to the basic core of morality and human decency.

And it must be unconstitutional.

[last1standing]

18. You can flame away, but stabenow does not get my vote.

I'm no one issue voter, but I can't vote for someone who supports or condones torture, period. There is no excuse for this, Hell! she's not even in a close race. No, I won't vote for the repub, and I know he would have voted for this bill as well, but when you go into the voting booth you are registering your support of your choice's agenda. I cannot register that support and it sickens me that I ever did so.

[onenote]

21. so you don't think you're facilitating the election of a repub

when you don't vote the Democratic opponent?

[last1standing]

50. I won't vote for a proponent of torture.

It's really that simple. There's not even a point in arguing it because it won't happen. Ever.

[pnwmom]

34. In this case, you could be registering your support for the Party's

position -- which was overwhelmingly against the bill -- rather than for that candidate's position on that particular bill.

If you don't vote for Stabenow, you're not doing everything you could do to fight this administration. Sitting out that race doesn't fight the Administration.

If we had someone like Ted Kennedy in charge of Judiciary, this bill would never have gotten out of Committee. That's why we need a majority in Congress. If we control the committees, and exercise subpoena power, we will be able to accomplish a lot -- as opposed to now, when our hands are completely tied.

Vote for Stabenow so we don't lose a current Dem seat -- which is critical if we're to end up with a majority. A majority is what we need in order to be able to fight Bush effectively. Do you really want another two years of powerlessness?

[last1standing]

51. As I said just above, this isn't a point of debate.

You live your life according to your conscience and I'll live according to mine. Mine says don't vote for torturers. It's very clear that way.

[fujiyama]

59. Sometime ago I might have tried to convince you otherwise

Being in MI as well, this is going to be a real nose-pincher. Between this and the bankruptcy bill vote, it won't be easy voting for her...Hell, I'll just have to think of it as voting AGAINST the republican Bouchard.

But I can't blame you for not finding it possible to vote for someone that voted for such garbage like this. This country has stepped into extremely dangerous territory...It's often difficult to remember which country we live in

[Timbuk3]

35. K&R

Thanks for the link from LBN.

[spooked911]

39. it just gets worse and f$#@!ing worse

I can't believe my country is doing this

[Robbins]

44. Situation

Now Bush can have anyone arrested,tortured by the Cia,and tried In Military Tribunals Including American citizens.Not much different than Saddam Is he.A shame we don't have 44 real democrats.
Only 32 are really Democrats.The rest are Democrats In Name only.At times Jeffords votes more like a
Democrat.

[mroux]

53. how much worse does it have to get

before Americans will take back the country.

[last1standing]

54. My letter to stabenow.

Senator Stabenow,

I have been a solid Democratic voter for 20 years and have been proud to vote for some of the finest politicians this country has to offer. I also voted for you in the 2000 election. I am writing today to tell you that I will not be making that mistake again.

I can understand voting for a more centrist policy, but you have now voted in favor of torturing people. I won't bother detailing the other provisions of this bill curtailing a detainee's right to even try to prove his/her innocence through writ of habeus corpus; it is enough to know that you support cruel and inhuman interrogation techniques on those unfortunate enough to have been born in another country or who happen to have darker skin than yourself.

There are many, many, more people like myself who find themselves not only appalled but literally disgusted by your vote. We will not make the mistake of spending our own vote so foolishly, or so callously.

[StaggerLee]

65. great letter

I'm going to draft one up to her as well.

I'm so pissed right now.

:mad:

[burrowowl]

58. MY GOD! VOTING FOR TORTURE!

I'm sick at heart. Is this the death of the Constitution? It may well be.

[pat_k]

66. voiceoutrage.com

Don't keep the outrage to yourself!!

http://voiceoutrage.com">voiceoutrage.com

Call this abomination what it is: The War Criminals Protection Act

(And maybe give http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2255629&mesg_id=2255629">this one a kick)