Foley's explicit e-mail to 16 year old kid

[bigdarryl]

Lets see how the rethugs SPIN!!! this one http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf

[agates]

1. Ick ick ick

The apologists over on the abc blog were trying to say it was "no big deal". Guess they hadn't read this one yet.

[bigdarryl]

3. This guy is sick...

and needs to be prosecuted.

[populistdriven]

58. House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

If we can't trust them with our kids we can't trust them with our country!

Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) Resigns over sexually explicit Email's and IM's to 16 year old boy...

Here is one of the sexually explicit instant messages to a 16 year old boy (Foley's screenname is Maf54):
http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf">House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

The Republican House leadership are monsters. They knew and let him remain in the GOP leadership for a year. They let him remain the Chairman of the child sex offender caucus. Jesus H. Christ.


GOP = Gathering Of Pedophiles

Foley was Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/foley_resigns_o.html">House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

The Republican House leadership has known about (and covered up) Foley for a year
Quote:
The page worked for Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., who said Friday that when he learned of the e-mail exchanges 10 to 11 months ago, he called the teen's parents. Alexander told the Ruston Daily Leader, "We also notified the House leadership that there might be a potential problem," a reference to the House's Republican leaders.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/29/national/w123452D40.DTL&type=politics">House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

[jmowreader]

109. It's good that he was chair of the Sex Offender Caucus

After all, who better to chair a committee than someone actively engaged in the thing the caucus is about?

In fact, we should make sure that ALL the Repukes who are committee chairs are doing the thing the committee was convened for.

Congressional Rape Caucus? There's gotta be two or three rapists on that side of the aisle, right? I mean, besides the ones who rape the environment, rape the economy, rape the troops...

Congressional Crack Caucus? Bush 41 bought some crack right outside the door of the White House. Really he did. Bought about a pound of crack, held it up on TV, and told the American people where he gets his crack. And then the lights went off, the camera went back in the case, and he pulled out his pipe. Look, if some guy's standing right next to the White House selling crack, we can certainly afford to get some for a few Republican legislators. Because if they're gonna keep writing laws that only a crackhead would, maybe we should get them some crack so at least they'll have an excuse.

Congressional Pollution Caucus? Congress is full of Repukes. Repukes think trees cause pollution because Saint Ronnie told them so. There's LOTS of Repukes to put in this seat.

Congressional Bank Robbery Caucus? Congressional Serial Murder Caucus? Congressional Arson Caucus? Mmmm...the intent of this is to pick people who are actually doing these things, and Repukes tend to be too pussified to actually hold up a bank, kill anyone or torch a building. So maybe we won't convene these.

Congressional Organized Crime Caucus? Gee...just go to house.gov and pick any Republican.

Is my :sarcasm: showing yet?

[Joanne98]

136. Grand Old Pedophiles......GOP

[Blaq Dem]

170. Seman stained shorts

I'm waiting for the boy to show up with a pair of shorts with Foley's seman on it. Lord only knows what else this man has done to children.

[populistdriven]

59. nice timing, to release this on a friday - sheer coincidence?

[drm604]

69. I don't think it matters.

This will easily survive the Friday news dump. Every morning DJ in the country will be talking about this for a least a week. Letterman and Leno will be all over it, not to mention Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. The newspapers and the TV news programs can't possibly ignore it. I wonder how Faux news will try to spin this. They may be the one exception and may actually ignore it. Either that or they'll try to drag up every Democratic sex scandal from the last 50 years. Maybe the folks over at LGFB will start blathering about fonts and typefaces! :rofl:

[Name removed]

107. Deleted message

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[rfranklin]

112. Republicans should be held to their "standards"

They are constantly beating everyone else over the head with their superior moral "values." Their hypocrisy is the issue here.

[kdpeters]

124. And that's really all there is isn't there? hypocrisy

That's a far cry from child molestation. Notice how none of the replies insisting it's about pedophilia, abuse, and children don't address their reactions to Gerry Studds' relationship. No thinking allowed.

[WinkyDink]

176. And your point about FOLEY is? It's STILL a SEX scandal.

"Republican" = noun. "Raving hypocritical pervert."

[KnaveRupe]

114. Ummmm.....

Because the kid was 16?


If the IM log were between a 50-something-year-old Congresswoman and a 16-year-old boy, it would be just as icky.

If the IM log were between a 50-something-year-old Congressman and a 16-year-old girl, it would be just as icky.

If the IM log were between a 50-something-year-old Congresswoman and a 16-year-old girl, it would be just as icky.

And finally, if the IM log were between a 50-something-year-old DEMOCRAT and a 16-year-old ANYTHING, it would be just. As. Icky.


Sorry if that offends you that people have that reaction. Perhaps you meant to log in to NAMBLA Underground, rather than Democratic Underground.

Furthermore, if you fail to see the irony of the same guy who wrote http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/NewsEventServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2005">this bill being involved in the referenced activities, then you need to embrace your inner Republican. We're a "big tent" party, but I don't think there's room in here for anyone THAT irony-impaired.

[Totally Committed]

117. Exactly....

A kid is a kid is a kid, and an authority figure is an authority figure is an authority figure. Period.

A kid (anyone under 18) is not fully equipped mentally or emotionally to deal with such a dynamic consentually. That's why it's called ABUSE.

TC

[kdpeters]

125. Really?

And finally, if the IM log were between a 50-something-year-old DEMOCRAT and a 16-year-old ANYTHING, it would be just. As. Icky.

Then why did you completely ignore my point about Gerry Studds? Care to compare and contrast the two incidents?

[TankLV]

151. Where talking about an CURRENT act, not history.

Nice try.

The topic is the CURRENT REPUKE ASSHOLE.

[MADem]

164. And he holds a seat in Congress now? Where do you come up

with your pathetic logic? Because an asshole was an asshole DECADES ago, and is NOT currently warming a seat in the House, we're supposed to assign some sort of EQUIVALENCY to the two events? Is it a tit for tat exercise?

Of course, even though Studds shouldn't have been messing with a minor, when the story broke it was not contemporaneous (it was a ten year old story), and the former page actually stood beside Studds when he made his remarks after being censured. It was ICKY, (Studds was in his 40s when the story broke, the page by then was 27--and in his 30s when he was messing with the page) but it wasn't NONCONSENSUAL icky.

On July 20, 1983, Gerry was censured for having an affair 10 years earlier with a male page. He turned his back as the charges against him were read. The anti-gay crew had worked hard to demonize him (as they would Barney Frank several years later over allegations of a male prostitute having clients in Frank's apartment). Gerry held a press conference with the page and admitted to a relationship. They each firmly stated that what had gone on in their bedroom was their business, and absolutely no one else's. http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Gerry_Studds

Why, and what, should we compare and contrast? Let's see. One is an asshole in the distant, Reagan-era past, who behaved badly and was censured for his conduct, and the other is an asshole in the present day. One relationship was inappropriate and consensual, the other was an inappropriate, non-consensual trolling effort and the child was repulsed and REPORTED the misconduct. One story didn't come out for ten years because the minor didn't complain, the other story didn't come out because the minor DID complain but the GOP leadership COVERED IT UP.

You want history, watch the History Channel.

Are you suggesting that Foley should get a pass because Studds "got away with it?"

[kdpeters]

182. I'm challenging you to define your position and defend it

I haven't yet stated a position; I'm challenging you to defend yours. To attack a point you assume I'm trying to make isn't a defense of yours. I recognize the pathetic logic, but it isn't mine.

Barely a week ago I predicted this would happen on a thread about radical opinions you're afraid to voice -- even on DU. If you want to get a sense of where I'm coming from, then read my post on that thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2168679&mesg_id=2177218

But there are degrees of harm and we should be mature enough to weigh the punishment thereof. ... There must be lines drawn, but to see no difference between the rape of a child and a consensual encounter with a sexually mature young man is not at all justice. But even in liberal circles, it seems the only acceptable response to adult/minor sexual encounters is hysteria, apoplexy,

That's my logic. That's pretty much my reasoning that prompts me to challenge yours. I was right and the responses here on DU prove it. But what's even worse, there seems to be a double standard to the hysteria which makes it hypocritical as well.

Just what are the issues here? Everyone seems to have a different set and they're completely inconsistent with one another and inconsistent with our own reactions to incidents among us that raise similar issues. That doesn't seem to matter as much as the conclusion -- a sort of ends justify the means type of rationalization.

[KnaveRupe]

183. Here's my position.

If you're over 18, don't fuck people under 18.

There are plenty of people out there who are 18 years of age and older who like to fuck. Stay away from kids. Period.

That clear and simple enough for you?

[kdpeters]

188. See? This is what I'm talking about.

No thinking allowed. Though your simple reduction directly contradicts MADem's post, that doesn't seem to bother you so much as me asking for clarification. She held up the consent of a 17 year old as a mitigating factor, and juxtaposed sex with a 30-something Studds next to a proposition from a 50-something Foley. She didn't explain what difference that's supposed to make, yet, here you are badgering ME for asking why. Not to pick on you, she too, confronted me with this 17 year old's consent, though it wasn't me, but another poster upthread who insisted a 17 year old cannot consent to such 'abuse' as it was stated, regardless of the law. That poster, like you and all others still on the pedophile/predator/child molester meme, seem incapable of reconciling the Studds incident, so it's simply rejected. MaDem, like everyone else who addressed it so far, is far more moderate in her expressed viewpoint, settling on a fairly low impact, asexual 'asshole' to describe both Studds and Foley.

If no one had asked "Why?", these inconsistencies and contradictions would never need be invented. Questioning the mob is strictly forbidden; anything less than apoplectic hysteria must be silenced -- starting with not-so-clever accusations of NAMBLA sympathies.

Dr. Laura and the homophobes of the homosexual-obsessed faction of the religious right got a great deal of mileage from an APA peer-reviewed study that said the same thing I'm saying -- that the degree of harm to the victim highly correlates with such factors as age, the intrusiveness of the act, the degree to which the victim felt he/she was coerced or consented, and even the sex of the victim. Though the researchers specifically rejected any moral or legal implications from their findings, they were accused of trying to "normalize" pedophilia as you did to me. Like the right wing, you too want to shut down discussion rather than make an argument.

Simple enough? Bah. Much too simplistic which is my point. I reject your implication that the long-term forced violation of a 7-year-old by a once trusted authority figure under threat of violence is no more damaging than asking for a picture from a teen mature enough to rebuff the advances and report the crime. I reject that a child is defined by the age of the person imposing sex on her. And I reject that but for the age of the victim, there's no other transgression here.

I propose that the person with the authority and power bears near total responsibility if ethical lines are crossed in an imbalanced relationship. Doctor/patient, therapist/client, officer/inmate, boss/subordinate, congressman/page. This issue in and of itself is serious enough for sanction and dismissal regardless of age or who pursues whom. Suggest this applies to president/intern and one who recently saw such a simple issue sees myriad nuances and mitigating, excusable factors.

There are serious, serious issues here. We're talking attempted statutory rape, hostile work environment, harassment, hypocrisy from a family values Republican, and a cover-up from Congressional leaders. It taints everyone who's known about it. That's some serious shit, if you don't mind me saying. But all of that, take all of that combined, child molestation is still several orders of magnitude more severe and damaging than all of that. If you believe this involves a crime on par with child molestation, you should be able to do more than simply assert it is so. If you can't, then what's your point?

Do I sense homophobia? I'm not sure that's the right word. It's subtle, but it's systemic. It's a system where nationwide career ending scandal erupts when a young man freaks out from advances endured by our young women on a daily basis. I do trust you see inappropriate advances equally regardless the sex of the perpetrator or the victim. But if you think the right wing sees it that way, you haven't been paying attention. To them, this is a gay issue. If you don't think young women have to rebuff this crap almost everyday, then i doubt you're as sensitive as you proclaim. I see it all the time. If this were a straight congressman propositioning a buxom female page, and don't try to tell me these straight, pompous, criminal republicans aren't just as or more aggressive toward female pages, there'd simply be no scandal and there hasn't been. I highly doubt this doesn't happen as much as it's much more accepted. Leers, stares, grunts, cat-calls, vulgar motions and proclaiming desire upon a female within earshot are accepted mating rituals and male bonding activities among many straight males currently expressing their complete disgust. I seem to remember something recently about a republican propositioning even younger females, but without the homophobes, it didn't have the critical mass for a full fledged sex scandal. It didn't even get much attention here on DU. There's something wrong with a system so protective of our young men and boys and so blind to what we put our women and girls through -- yes, there is an element of homophobia in play which I've long thought is a form of misogyny.

[Flirtus]

120. Disparate?

Where have I heard that word before???

Do you have any concept of sexual harassment in the workplace?

Our outrage is not with age of consent. Just plain grossed out we are!

FYI, pedophilia has no correlation with homosexuality.

[Carni]

121. WELL excuse me for being offended by a pedophile

Your talking point is something else...very obvious to put it mildly.

[TankLV]

149. WTF are you talking about?!?! The repuke party is being hoisted on their

own petard!

Can you spell "HYPOCRISY"?

This is NOW - that was THEN. They hounded Clinton THEN, RELENTLESSLY. They deserve the same treatment, and more NOW.

And, I know this escapes you, it involves PEDOPHILIA - CHILDREN, not consenting ADULTS!

But you knew that.

You're just spewing repuke talking points already - and you know what your doing there, too...

[Alcibiades]

155. Foley: A typical Republican pedophile

I reserve the right to call Republicans to account when they "stray" from their "family values agenda." I am just as disgusted by the adultery and other sexual misdeeds of other Republicans, as well as their other instances of immoral behavior--the worst one I can think of is Newt Gingrich's serving his wife with divorce papers while she was on what could have been her death bed. These sorts of things do reveal the Republican "pro-family" agenda for what it is: not a sincerely held set of beliefs that they uphold and live, but a hypocritical and self-serving attempt to appeal to bigotry, hatred and fear.

First off, the Studds scandal arose in 1983, and it concerned Studds abuse of a 17 year-old back in 1973. I was 15 at the time, and I don't think my own failure to really express much outrage in 1983 at Studds' behavior in 1973 should preclude me from being outraged at Foley's apparently recent -if not ongoing- sexual solicitation of minors.

I, for one, never defended Clinton's choice to have sex with "that woman." As a matter of fact, I supported Jackson in the primary, in part because I knew all about Clinton's "zipper problem," and anticipated that it would be a national distraction. The Clinton and Foley cases are similar in that you have a case of an authority figure and a younger person, but the age difference makes a big difference: Monica Lewinsky was 22, whereas the boy Foley solicited was 16. There's a big difference between the maturity of a 22 year-old and a 16 year old. (There is also the matter that Clinton consummated his relationship with Lewinsky, whereas Foley apparently did not. Yet, just as it was predictable with Clinton in 1992 that there had been and would be other women, in Foley's case it is very, very probable that there have been and will be other boys).

The case is also relevant to a pattern that has emerged in this administration and Congress--just as they put timber industry people in charge of federal land, oil industry people in charge of the environment, and wall Street people in charge of the money supply (granted, wall street people are always in charge of the money supply), they put a pedophile in charge of policy on sex offenders. Of course, this has its precedent as well--remember that the Republican serial rapist and killer Ted Bundy worked with rape victims.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two separate issues. Nonetheless, Foley does raise the issue of gay Republicans in general. A quarter of self-identified gays voted for Bush. This is incomprehensible, at least given the Republican Party of today. There is no room in the Republican Party for gay people. It is the party of homophobia, bigotry and hate, and it uses the label "pro-family" as a fig leaf to cover its ugliness.

Foley's not gay, he's a pedophile who likes boys. There is a big difference between gay people and pedophiles. Gay people have consenting sex with other people of an appropriate age. Pedophiles "groom" their victims, just as Foley did, and use the normal confusion of adolescence as well as their own power as a "caring" and "understanding" adult figure to get kids to do things they would not do otherwise. Republicans like to confuse the issue between pedophiles and gay people in their attacks on gay people--we would do well to understand the difference.

[qanda]

2. oh. my. goodness.

That was lewd!

[nam78_two]

4. okay....ewwww

I dn't know why I read that....

[kestrel91316]

5. I'm just speechless. The sheer HUBRIS of that man!

[NV Whino]

6. Wouldn't ya think

these idiots would know better than to put stuff in writing? Oy vey. Can you say stupid.

[MADem]

165. I will bet he thought AOL IM wasn't "permanent" like email

He was a Luddite nitwit who didn't realize those records are easily saved. He likely thought he was being clever and careful....

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Wow. Sounds like this guy was horning in on Limbaugh's territory

Two great Floridians.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

[Sequoia]

8. Why, oh why .....I'm gonna be sick now.

What an idiot. Wasn't he warned: "Americans should watch what they say and do."

[NJCher]

9. hey, maybe he'll make it on Dateline's show

"To Catch a Predator!"

Wouldn't that be fun: "...and what do you do for a living?"

Seriously, the show is on tonight on NBC. I wonder if they will mention it.




Cher

[LoZoccolo]

12. That is so what this reminds me of. n/t

[Penndems]

52. He was associated with John Walsh and "America's Most Wanted",

in additional to being Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.

What a sick, sick SOB.

[snowbear]

10. Ratz... for some reason my computer is whacking out w/pdf files...

I need to figure out why I'm getting an error message when I try to open it...

Damned computers!

[Kali]

13. me too

I am getting 6 blank pages WTF?

Do I have some kind of porn blocker I don't know about?

[Chipster]

61. Working Link

Larissa, I don't think it's your computer. I think there's something wrong with the .pdf file itself.

Here's a working link:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586&page=1

[drm604]

83. I have the same problem.

It won't load in my browser, but I discovered that I can right-click and save it to disk. Then I can open it from there.

[rfranklin]

113. Maybe your computer is whacking off to the PDF files...

It's pretty hot stuff!

[drm604]

128. Hmmm...

I don't think my computer's gay (not that there's anything wrong with that!) but I suppose it might be female.

[The Magistrate]

11. Newsworthy, If Uncomfortable, Reading, Sir

[Hav]

14. .

Holy shit! Is he still a teenie or what...really a sick fuck.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

15. My dumb computer won't open the file.

So I will have to rely on my imagination. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Am I close?

[Divine Discontent]

70. yep!

"how many times do you masturbate", how do you do it, I'd like to remove your jock, etc. stuff like that... basically trying to make the boy horny, which he did. stroking a boy's sexual nature that works as a volunteer page where you're a CONGRESSMAN, to get him horny so you might soon get to be with him right when he turns 18, talk about abuse of power!

[lumberjack_jeff]

153. Lucky you. nt

[otohara]

180. Might Be Because

you are trying on Mozilla perhaps? I had to go to Explorer

[Chomp]

16. Bwahahahahaha!

Jesus there is something just so goddam HILARIOUS about repressed right wingers having their pathetic depravities laid bare in full public glare. And doubly funny if there is homosexulaity involved.

I mean, asking that kid if he's sitting there in his boxers! Bwaahahahahahahah! Fucking loser.

[Spaceman Spiff]

17. Hey! I was gonna post that link!

Thanks for stealing my thunder.

Oh, well. Funny shit none-the-less.

[fascismsucks]

18. No Secret

Half the rePUKEliCON party is IN THE CLOSET .. freggin' anti-gay HYPOCRITES!
BTW ... Did anyone EVER find out WHO's Jeff Gannon's boyfriend?

[WinkyDink]

181. My money's on Scotty.

[ovidsen]

19. Hurl...

Now I have to wash my computer....

No wonder Foley quit so abruptly. What a perverted imbecile.

[Squatch]

20. Bwaaaaaaa haha hahaha....BWAAAAAA HAHAHA HAHAAAA

Oh jeeze...

Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy crap that's some funny shit.

[Demoiselle]

21. Who exactly is Mark Foley?

..Besides being a Republican, I mean.

[Demoiselle]

25. Nevermind. I just scrolled down the rest of the homepage.

[Roland99]

22. Holy Fvcking Sh*t!!

[snowbear]

23. Since it's on ABC News... and since several of us can't pull it up...

Can someone copy just a couple lines of it? My computer won't open pdf files right now..

[Squatch]

26. "Are you spanking it right now?"

Or something to that effect. Repeat, ad nauseum.

[snowbear]

29. Nope... that's just my frustrated smiley dude...

Because my computer won't open the article..

Guess I should've gone with this one --> :argh:

LOL!

[Clark2008]

86. LOL!! Larissa! He was telling you what the IMs said - he wasn't

asking you if YOU were "spanking it."

:rofl:

You're so sweet! I love you!! :hug:

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

160. I'm laughing too..at that exchange...

Funny.

[drm604]

175. LOL

Ohmigod... I think I'm going to rupture something...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bleedingheart]

32. basically he leads the kid into a conversation about

masturbation and then lets the kid know that he is doing it to himself as he types..

[snowbear]

34. EwWwww is right, thanks for the info bleedingheart and I sure hope...

..that DU'er "newsguyatl" takes a look at it, then revisits what he just recently posted.

His post on another thread says:
-------------------------------

.."i don't see what foley did wrong.

he asked a kid his age and for a pic? who gives a fuck?

people are so fucking "sensitive" nowadays.

i call bullshit."
---------------------------------

Sheesh..

[AtomicKitten]

35. and you are welcome for the PM I sent you with info you requested

even though you didn't thank me, but I fully realize it was an oversight because good manners and common courtesy run rampant here at DU

[snowbear]

38. Me Kitten?

Guess I'd better go look again... ... I must be spacin' out tonight..

That response had to be for someone else.. You know I always answer your messages!!

[Buns_of_Fire]

122. In newsguyatl's defense (not that he needs it from me)...

When the original story broke, all they showed on the news were those four or five e-mails, which did seem pretty tame, all in all. I even looked at those original e-mails and thought "Well, I don't really see any big deal here" (and I'm the guy who still giggles when NASA talks about space probes are being sent to Uranus).

It took a couple of hours before the press got to the meat of the matter.

Uh... So to speak... :blush:

[texastoast]

42. Ewwwww!!! (AIEEEEEEE) BARF WARNING

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

Sorry, I just couldn't have it out here with my name close to it.

I gotta go shower now.

[Glorfindel]

68. Here...I HOPE this will post properly.

Maf54 (7:25:14 PM): hey
Auto response from Xxxxxxxxx (7:25:14 PM): scrounging for food...brb

Maf54 (7:25:25 PM): ok
Maf54 (7:25:35 PM): kep scrounging
Xxxxxxxxx (7:31:51 PM): boo
Maf54 (7:32:13 PM): bo dude
Xxxxxxxxx (7:32:17 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:32:26 PM): whered ya go this afternoon
Maf54 (7:33:39 PM): i am in pensecola...had to catch a plane
Xxxxxxxxx (7:33:47 PM): oh well thats fun
Maf54 (7:34:04 PM): indeed
Xxxxxxxxx (7:34:14 PM): what are you doing in pensecola
Maf54 (7:34:21 PM): now in my hotel room
Xxxxxxxxx (7:34:39 PM): well ..like why did you go there
Maf54 (7:35:02 PM): for the campaign
Xxxxxxxxx (7:35:29 PM): have you officialy announced yt
Maf54 (7:35:45 PM): not yet
Xxxxxxxxx (7:36:06 PM): cool cool...
Maf54 (7:37:27 PM): how my favorite young stud doing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:37:46 PM): tired and sore
Xxxxxxxxx (7:37:52 PM): i didnt no waltzing could make you sore
Maf54 (7:38:04 PM): from what
Xxxxxxxxx (7:38:34 PM): what do you mean from what
Xxxxxxxxx (7:38:42 PM): from waltzing...im sore from waltzing
Maf54 (7:39:32 PM): tahts good
Maf54 (7:39:32 PM): you need a massage Maf54 signed off at 7:39:37 PM. Maf54 signed on at 7:40:35 PM.
Xxxxxxxxx (7:40:44 PM): got kicked off?
Maf54 (7:41:24 PM): must have
Xxxxxxxxx (7:41:57 PM): ugh tomorrow i have the first day of lacrosse practice
Maf54 (7:42:27 PM): love to watch that
Maf54 (7:42:33 PM): those great legs running
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:38 PM): haha...they arent great
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:45 PM): thats why we have conditioning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:56 PM): 2 days running....3 days lifting
Xxxxxxxxx (7:43:11 PM): every week
Xxxxxxxxx (7:43:14 PM): until the end of march
Maf54 (7:43:27 PM): well dont ruin my mental picture
Xxxxxxxxx (7:43:32 PM): oh lol...sorry

Maf54 (7:43:54 PM): nice
Maf54 (7:43:54 PM): youll be way hot then
Xxxxxxxxx (7:44:01 PM): haha...hopefully
Maf54 (7:44:22 PM): better be
Maf54 (7:46:01 PM): well I better let you go do oyur thing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:07 PM): oh ok
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:11 PM): have fun campaigning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:17 PM): or however you spell it
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:18 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:25 PM): ill see ya in a couple of weeks
Maf54 (7:46:33 PM): did any girl give you a haand job this weekend
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:38 PM): lol no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:40 PM): im single right now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi
Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): are you
Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny
Xxxxxxxxx (7:47:29 PM): lol...a bit
Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:04 PM): no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy
Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow...
Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:51 PM): haha
Maf54 (7:50:02 PM): or tired..helps me sleep
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:15 PM): thats true
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:36 PM): havent been having a problem with sleep though.. i just walk in the door and collapse well at least this weekend
Maf54 (7:50:56 PM): i am sure
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:57 PM): i dont do it very often normally though
Maf54 (7:51:11 PM): why not
Maf54 (7:51:22 PM): at your age seems like it would be daily
Xxxxxxxxx (7:51:57 PM): not me
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:01 PM): im not a horn dog
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:07 PM): maybe 2 or 3 times a week
Maf54 (7:52:20 PM): thats a good number
Maf54 (7:52:27 PM): in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:36 PM): actually usually i dont do it in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:42 PM): just cause i shower in the morning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:47 PM): and quickly
Maf54 (7:52:50 PM): in the bed
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:59 PM): i get up at 530 and am outta the house by 610
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:03 PM): eh ya

Maf54 (7:53:24 PM): on your back
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:30 PM): no face down
Maf54 (7:53:32 PM): love details
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:34 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:36 PM): i see that
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:37 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:53:39 PM): really
Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand...i use the bed itself
Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel
Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really
Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya
Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:00 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:05 PM): well ive never watched myslef
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:08 PM): but ya i guess
Maf54 (7:56:18 PM): i am sure not
Maf54 (7:56:22 PM): hmmm
Maf54 (7:56:30 PM): great visual
Maf54 (7:56:39 PM): i may try that
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:43 PM): it works
Maf54 (7:56:51 PM): hmm
Maf54 (7:56:57 PM): sound inetersting
Maf54 (7:57:05 PM): i always use lotion and the hand
Maf54 (7:57:10 PM): but who knows
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:24 PM): i dont use lotion...takes too much time to clean up
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:37 PM): with a towel you can just wipe off....and go
Maf54 (7:57:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:57:45 PM): where do you throw the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:48 PM): but you cant work it too hard....or its not good
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:51 PM): in the laundry
Maf54 (7:58:16 PM): just kinda slow rubbing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:23 PM): ya....
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:32 PM): or youll rub yourslef raw
Maf54 (7:58:37 PM): well I have aa totally stiff wood now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:40 PM): cause the towell isnt very soft
Maf54 (7:58:44 PM): i bet..taht would hurt

Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:50 PM): but you cn find something softer than a towell i guess
Maf54 (7:58:59 PM): but it must feel great spirting on the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:06 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:59:29 PM): wow
Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp...or growing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing
Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm
Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich
Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**
Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like
Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom
Maf54 (8:01:04 PM): whats yours
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:09 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:14 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:23 PM): i have a cast fetish
Maf54 (8:01:27 PM): well tell me
Maf54 (8:01:32 PM): cast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:44 PM): ya like...plaster cast
Maf54 (8:01:49 PM): ok..so what happens
Maf54 (8:01:58 PM): how does that turn you in
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:02 PM): i dont know
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:04 PM): it just does
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:08 PM): ive never had one
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:16 PM): but people that have them turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:27 PM): and if i had one it would probably turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:29 PM): beats me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:32 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:50 PM): but along with that i like the whole catholic girl look....thats our schools uniform
Maf54 (8:03:02 PM): ha thats wild
Xxxxxxxxx (8:03:14 PM): ya but now im hard
Maf54 (8:03:32 PM): me 2
Maf54 (8:03:42 PM): cast got you going
Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you
Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake
Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab
Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight...dont get to excited
Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard
Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM): that is true
Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:11 PM): and also tru
Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that
Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2
Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful
Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:00 PM): thank you
Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:28 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb...my mom is yelling
Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back
Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:54 PM): no no
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:59 PM): she is computer dumb though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:01 PM): it makes me so mad
Maf54 (8:15:04 PM): good
Maf54 (8:15:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:15:11 PM): why
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:23 PM): cause she cant do anything
Maf54 (8:15:31 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:41 PM): she couldnt figure out how to download a file from an email and open it
Maf54 (8:15:53 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:14 PM): and she only does it like a million times a day
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:16 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:18 PM): whatever

Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:53 PM): well i better go finish my hw...i just found out from a friend that i have to finish reading and notating a book for AP english Maf54 signed off at 8:17:43 PM.

[Raksha]

163. Thanks for posting the complete chat log...I guess.

Turns out I only got part of it when someone else posted a portion of it on DU last night. I printed out what I had, but it's so disgusting I can hardly bring myself to read it. But if it brings down the Repukes, it's more than worth it.

[AtomicKitten]

24. ewww

The fact that Foley is dumb enough to allow this sleazy drivel out onto the tubes is almost as disturbing as this being directed at a 16-year-old. Well, almost. Ewwww.

[JeremyWestenn]

27. Odd..

Can someone please copy paste the e-mail into a post or reply? I can't seem to get the page to open up, and it looks as if many people are having trouble with it.

- Jeremy

[AtomicKitten]

33. sorry I don't know how to do that

but welcome to DU anyway!

Look up-thread for the gist of the conversation. Ewwww.

[drm604]

129. Download it from here.

http://tinyurl.com/fq5r6

[Maestro]

28. Yet another fine, shining example of a rethug.

Really, though, the guy needs to be caught and detained. I wouldn't want anyone, man or woman, talking to my son that way. At least the creep is resigning his position.

[Wise Doubter]

30. Aparently.....

Foley is computer dumb too !! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


What a Jackass !!

[Don1]

31. AP English?!

God, I hated that disgusting class!

[AussieDave]

36. Republican Family Values at work here

and everybody criticizing him hates America - so just stop it.

:sarcasm:

[greccogirl]

37. I might hurl.

I hope this guy goes to jail too.

[Penndems]

39. A Congressional Representative who masturbates with a towel and lotion

Wow, that's more information than I ever really wanted to know, and it makes my skin crawl.

Yeech - This is absolutely disgusting. Worse yet, he's saying this to a sixteen-year-old young man.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

Dear God, we're being governed by a bunch of religious zealots, insane megalomaniacs and perverts. What has this country sunk to?

[populistdriven]

40. House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) Resigns over sexually explicit Email's and IM's to 16 year old boy...

Here is one of the sexually explicit instant messages to a 16 year old boy (Foley's screenname is Maf54):
http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf">House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

The Republican House leadership are monsters. They knew and let him remain in the GOP leadership for a year. They let him remain the Chairman of the child sex offender caucus. Jesus H. Christ.


GOP = Gathering Of Pedophiles

Foley was Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/foley_resigns_o.html">House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

The Republican House leadership has known about (and covered up) Foley for a year
Quote:
The page worked for Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., who said Friday that when he learned of the e-mail exchanges 10 to 11 months ago, he called the teen's parents. Alexander told the Ruston Daily Leader, "We also notified the House leadership that there might be a potential problem," a reference to the House's Republican leaders.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/29/national/w123452D40.DTL&type=politics">House Speaker Complicit in Foley Teen Sex Scandal Coverup?

[Penndems]

57. bushmeat, you should post this over in LBN or General Discussion, where it

will be seen by the most DUers. What you presented is extremely important.

There's also a thread going on about Foley at Daily Kos:
http://dailykos.com/

[Totally Committed]

41. ...

TC

[snowbear]

43. LOL TC !!!!!!

[Penndems]

44. ROFL - good one!

n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

63. OMG! I love it!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[fascismsucks]

66. Waaaaaaaaaaa Ha haa haa!

THAT is sooooooooo FUNNEE!!

[Pithy Cherub]

87. Hells Bells!!!

:rofl:That is effin funny! :rofl:

[Clark2008]

88. Bahahahahahahaha!

Hubby and I :rofl: at that one.

LOL!!

[Auntie Bush]

89. Great TC...just sent it to couple friends. n/t

[Dem2theMax]

97. LMAO!

That HAS to be one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen on the InternetS!11! I'm series. ;)

What is wrong with me. I keep going back to it and looking at it and laughing all over again.

That is a cat, yes? :rofl:

[Totally Committed]

116. That is a cat, yes?

No..... don't think so. It's probably some kid's poor gerbil. ;)

Just a guess.

TC

[ariesgem]

108. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh Lawd, my stomach hurts!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[marions ghost]

126. OMG OMG OMG

:rofl: sending around, thanks

[colorado_ufo]

139. ROFL!!! You owe me a cup of coffee & a keyboard.

[MADem]

166. Ya know what chops me about that cartoon? The defenseless

ANIMAL up the Republican's ass!!!!!! :rofl:

So much for compassionate conservatism!!!!!

[Politicub]

45. I love the Internet

What a freak foley is, though.

[Straight Shooter]

46. Foley is a candidate for suicide.

This might be too much for him to bear. He's going to lose everything, materially speaking. He's going to lose the most important thing, his reputation among his peers. (He's already lost his reputation with Democrats a long time ago.)

I just don't know what to think. The messages are raunchy and actually kind of funny in places, but if it were between two adults, then no big deal. The problem is the kid is underage. How much underage?

Gawd, you would think a grown man would know to stay away from jailbait, whether of the opposite sex or not.

This situation makes Clinton look like a saint.

[Tansy_Gold]

74. I was thinking the same thing, Shooter

Wasn't there another guy, a couple years ago, who got caught doing something similar and shot himself? My mind ain't what it used to be, but I'm thinking it was someone from Ohio or Tennessee or Kentucky????

Foley's whole life is now reduced to an incident of masturbatory cybersex. There's something so essentially icky about it, and at the same time something so infantile. He's an adult male with a public life of some prominence and a private life as pathetic as Beavis and Butthead. He's been humiliated on a grand scale.

No one in their right mind would do this ---- which suggests Foley really isn't in his right mind. At some point, most of us "grow up" to the point where we don't do things like this any more, or at least if we do, we have some discretion about it so we don't lose our jobs or our spouses or our self-respect. Those who think they can engage in this kind of behavior and not suffer any consequences just never learned the lessons most of us did.

Do I feel sorry for him? Oh, yeah, I suppose I do a little, because I'm basically a pretty compassionate person. But I don't feel sorry enough for him to defend him or his actions in any way, shape, or form. He's a sick fuck; he needs treatment, not another term in congress.

Tansy Gold

[Straight Shooter]

77. Damn my little liberal heart, but I have some compassion for him, too.

I want him to get treatment.

I also want all those Repubs who are playing their hypocritical games to get out of Congress. But most of all I want them to leave the kids alone.

[TankLV]

154. You know, i sort of do too.

1) I want him OUT of there ASAP.
2) I want him IN CUSTODY - out of circulation.
3) I want him to seek/get help.
4) I want him PUNISHED for what he did - no "warning" or "probation" - PUNISHMENT.
5) I want him IMPRISONED.
6) I want him GLUED to ALL OTHER REPUKES. PERIOD.

[Hawkowl]

103. Not Sorry for him

I guess I'm rather ruthless. It gets in the way of my vegetarian buddhist practices. This is a man who votes for torture. A man who votes for the murder of Iraqi's and the denying of our soldiers of needed material and equipment. He votes to cut student loans. He is a fascist enabler. Now we find out he is a hypocritical sexual predator of teenage boys.

If he kills himself I will not shed one tear. I'll also try very, very hard not to be glad.

[Wise Doubter]

78. I think I saw a "Now Hiring" sign at Jack in the Box today ....

He can flip burgers

I`m sure he has superb wrist control :freak: :rofl: :rofl:

no offense to burger flippers


If these guys win in November, just fuck it ! - Burn the whole place down! start over

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[BREMPRO]

47. a few points.

1)small point, but that's not an email, it's a transcript of an IM or instant message conversation.

2)not sure this is the 16yo former page who complained about the age/birthday etc..emails, but another one. ABC suggested these IM conversations were from other former pages. Age?

3)age of consent in most states is 16, but higher for same sex partners, usually 18. SO this contact is not only immoral, but probably illegal too.

4)This kind of conversation goes on all the time online, and could be considered normal sexual talk by some, except for the age difference issue(boy was apparently in a catholic high school, under 18), the gender similarity (not an issue in my book) the mentor issue (if Foley was in fact a mentor to this boy) and that he's a married, apparently closeted gay Republican elected official from a conservative district who was the CHAIRMAN of the congressional MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN Committee. The Hypocrisy stinks to hell almost as much as the conversation itself.

5)He appears to have had popular support from his district, too bad that something like this decides the election, rather than on the merits of his record and the quality of his opponent. Rather win on the merits, but we'll take the seat.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

60. One more point...

I need to catch up on this story, but was this some sort of a sting in which an adult was posing as "Xxxxxxxx", or was some 16-year old packing 7.5 inches just outed? If that's his actual screen name, shouldn't it have been, I dunno, redacted? I'm just imagining the probing (sorry) interviews with anyone who has IM'd with Young Xxxxxxxxx, shared notes on Tess of the D'Urbervilles with Young Xxxxxxxx, showered after lacrosse practice with Young Xxxxxxxxx, etc. Nancy Grace in particular comes to mind, in which case I will have to shoot my TV.

Rubbing one out with a towel with or without lotion. Macaca. Deer heads in mailboxes. The N-word. Deficits. Torture. Illegal war. God Bless the Republican Party.

[BREMPRO]

67. sure looks like a sting, but,

ABC is claiming this is an actual IM convo between foley and a former page (I think they xxxxd out his s/n), and that when Foley found out they had it (and others) He resigned.. I've also read that the leadership of the house knew about them too, months ago, and probably forced him to resign immediatly to avoid a deeper scandal about a coverup dragging them with him... good luck with that tricky dickies lol!!!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

72. Aaaah, OK, I was wondering about the screen name...

couldn't tell from the original post. Wasn't planning on spending my Friday night on DU catching up on the latest Republican sex scandal, but here I am! I read earlier that wingnuts are claiming that the Dems knew about this for quite some time, but timed the release to just now so that we'd be guaranteed the seat in November. Wonders never cease.

[BREMPRO]

102. yes, those Dems are so clever lol!! the Rovian touch!

First the wingnuts were complaining this was unsubstantiated rumors that the dems were trying to blow out of proportions (echo of Rovian tactics in their heads?). Now that the story has been confirmed by his resignation, the Dems are being criticized for the timing! so i guess that also makes his sleazy actions and massive hypocrisy the Dem's fault RIGHT?

I know his Dem opponent had been asking for an investigation about this for months, but nothing was happening until the page came forward with the email. Would be interesting to see where the tip to ABC came from... seems lots of people knew.

[question everything]

90. How did ABC get it? (nt)

[BREMPRO]

100. ABC got an unsolicited tip about inappropriate emails....

they checked it out and got confirmation from a 16 yr former page, and then once they reported the original story about the "overly friendly" email, several former pages contacted them with more racy communications. They were apparently afraid to come forward earlier because of his power in congress. I'm waiting to hear about the collateral damage to the leadership in the house that was made aware of his communications months ago and seems to have tried to cover it up...

[Penndems]

145. The "Xxxxxxx" WAS the redaction of the young man's screen name

n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

184. I gathered that after the fact, thanks.

Long work week coupled with zero faith in Corporate Media - it didn't register initially. I'm just hoping this kid's identity isn't revealed - could be awfully embarrassing for a 16-year old.

[Penndems]

185. I hear ya, TWriterD

Fatigue and skepticism have a way of clouding the mind. I don't think the media will reveal the young man's name. He's a minor, and his parents could sue if his name was released to the news outlets.

My heart goes out to him.

[deadparrot]

48. Sick piece of shit.

I'm the wrong person to talk to about child molesters. I'm not a violent person, but if one of those creeps ever crossed my path, I'd have a hard time restraining myself.

[George II]

49. The party of morality and "law and order"?

Not only doesn't he belong in Congress, he should be sharing a cell with a guy that will REALLY teach him something!

[texastoast]

56. As a former Enron employee said of Ken Lay

I hope they lock him up in a cell with Bubba and a case of soap.

[Webster Green]

144. Pedophilia and prison rape are both offensive to me...

I think it is a disgrace that rape is so common in our prisons, that it is fodder for chuckles on sit-coms and Internets.

Flame away, neanderthals!

[Joe Bacon]

50. Well, I guess Mark bit the big one...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lies and propaganda]

51. holy fuck.

i laugh at the duer who shittalked me repeatedly yesterday for making the bold ssumption taht this dude was trying to get in the kids pants.

and masturbation by bed??!?!?! The repugs are gonna try and ban beds now!

[KamaAina]

53. Please, ex-Rep. Foley, think of the kittens.

[PaDem]

54. This can't be for real??

He's chatting with a 16 year old kid online? Every other word he types is spelled incorrectly? The kid speaks to him disrespectfully? Are we sure this is for real? I don't get it.

[No Exit]

80. The evidence will tell

us whether or not this is really what happened.

That said, if it were a totally fabricated accusation, it would be especially foolish for Foley to precipitously resign. But he did.

Some people above have wondered if this was the result of one of those internet sting operations. But apparently it wasn't: the 16-yr-old really WAS a 16-yr-old.

[blondeatlast]

132. Any responsible adult ought to have known better.

And the quick resignation? Well, that doesn't speak of fabrication to me.

[colorado_ufo]

141. Disrespectfully?

That cyberconversation indicates that there may have been an ongoing relationship between these two. It would embolden the 16 year-old to address the other as a peer. It certainly would give the kid a sense of power, due to possession of information that could make-or-break someone in a high public office.

[PaDem]

159. I hadn't read the whole thing when I posted...........

I'm now beyond stunned. I had not gotten into the explicit sexual content when I posted.

[rrasile]

156. Oh it's real

alright. If there's one thing that works well in the Bush Administration it's the wire tapping. Gee I wonder how the party feels about our freedoms now.
Not that I'm a cruel SOB but I'd sure love to watch one of those Righty Talking Ugly Heads interview
the fuckheads parents.

[NJ Democrats]

55. Oh God

This is absolutly gross.

[DinahMoeHum]

62. This guy Foley is one SMFR. . .

sick motherfucker

:grr:

[fascismsucks]

64. Bizarre Find! Website PREDICTS Foley's "outing" ONLINE.

It says:
"Mark Foley is gay"
"Mark Foley will be EXPOSED through a mail and internet campaign"

Look at the DATE!! -- March 4, 2005
http://www.blogactive.com/2005/03/i-have-seen-enemy.html

[Divine Discontent]

75. and sadly.....

the repubs on there were saying the same things that they're saying after it's been proven true

[rrasile]

140. If this is true

and I have no doubts then the head of the Florida Republican Party should really be pissed off. The delay of addressing this problem will cost them a seat for sure. If I lived in Florida I'd be on the leaders fat ass reminding him how his neglect of duty may well cost them a seat.

[Penndems]

186. Believe it or not, the Chairman of the Palm Beach County GOP was defending

Mark Foley, as was the Chairman's wife. Said the two of them were good friends, and talked about how funny Foley's impersonation of Bill Clinton was. Both the Chairman and his wife said they're waiting for Foley to speak up and defend himself. They could conceivably be waiting a long, long, time for that to happen, because Mark Foley doesn't really have any defense.

Those two are as morally bankrupt as Foley.

[Penndems]

143. The gay community in D.C. has known for a long time that Representative

Foley is gay. It's been a open secret to them.

BTW, welcome to DU! :hi:

[Mz Pip]

65. Post this on Freeperville...

n/t

[rrasile]

142. Freeper

oh I would except I've been kicked off three times and the last time I felt that I was real cool with my post.
It would be fun watching how they flop it around and blame President Clinton.
I hate seeing things like this happen but just take a good look at the Republican Females and you'll understand how a young sweet boy appeals to the horny republicans,

[Marnieworld]

71. OMFG! That was hysterical!

Except of course for the underage part. It was so sick how he was leading the kid along into it.Someone should do a radio show of that dialogue. Of course it can only be on Satellite. :rofl:

[AnnieBW]

73. Oh. My. Goddess...

This is just too eeeeewwww. And this happened a YEAR ago, and the Repugs KNEW about it? :wtf: Thank you to whoever leaked these!

Skinner, I hereby nominate Rep. Foley for the #1 spot in this week's Top 10 Idiots.

[fortyfeetunder]

76. Oh. My. Dear. Lord.

This #($#&*$()$&*($&)&#(*&$%&@$%)(&!#*($& predator was stalking underage boys!!! What was he thinking???

Foley needs a one way ticket to prison, and I am sure the prisoners there can cater to his fetish....

[Divine Discontent]

79. but the BIGGER story

is the one that I heard a republican FREEPER say in another DU thread that copied his comment. He said, "the dems knew about this for a year and now they wait", but I'm thinking UMMMM.. the parents and the at the minimum, the Page Program, the Congressman he was serving because he was a rich repubs son, and the Speaker of the House (of ALL people) covered this up from the public for over a year before they were caught up in it coming out.

How is that even remotely OKAY??? They should all be considered for criminal charges. And a big bunch of dems should harp about this tomorrow. Will they? We're talking about children here! And this sick man, (and I pray he gets help) was getting it on with these boys with internet sex, no doubt about it, he was coercing them to get aroused and himself. Notice how he doesn't respond to the boys comment that he has to leave, and then a minute later signs off....


one doesn't have to wonder to hard to figure out why he didn't reply! He was... "busy".

[bigdarryl]

82. So now once again its the dem's fault this guy is a pervert who likes boys

these fucking rethugs don't know how stupid they sound

[fortyfeetunder]

84. Yeah, like excuse me Pugs, who's in control of Congress?

They don't know how to police their own?

[blondeatlast]

133. But they don't sound stupid to their base.

To thinking people they sound strident, stupid, and overwrought.

But it just makes their base feel so damn good to hear them say it's all the Democrats fault.

[Penndems]

146. Hate to disappoint the little Freeper, but everything that's discussed

within the confines of the House Republican Caucus stays within the confines of the House Republican Caucus. They share next to nothing with Congressional Democrats.

It's been that way since this The Village Idiot was sworn in on January 20, 2001.

[Wise Doubter]

81. This could be such a key part of a campaign if we would play some

HARD BALL !! Someone, who is much more informed than I, could compile a list (sorry to suggest so much work) of all the bullshit these re-pubes have done/doing/going to do, and mass mail to America. Start a postal fund through donations.








Just things I think of on Friday night.

[marmar]

85. For a political party that so hates it when the rest of us have sex...

Repugs are downright freaky in private. I feel like I need to take a shower just from reading that. :puke: :scared:

[NativeTexan]

91. I get so tired......

.....of these jerks and their hypocrisy!!! And worst of all, how at least 35% of the population believe EVERYTHING THEY SAY!!

GREAT POST DARRYL!!!

[doctor_garth]

92. Repugnant

like every Republican. Funny that chatting like this with a kid is enough to make you resign but killing hundreds of thousands of kids in Iraq isn't.

[HeavensHell]

93. Ya know

Republicans have lost their minds. Power has turned their brains to mush. For any congressman to instant message a minor and talk of sex, they should be taken out in front of Congress and shot. The worst part is he got away with it for so long. The party in power protected this man. What did they do, take a page out of the priest handbook on how to hide predators? I 2nd the motion; if republicans still have control come november, it's time to "start over!"

[rrasile]

134. We should really

fear the day that they get more power and believe that laws are made to be broken. What the hells next, are these bastards going to put the make on our mothers and little sisters.
I thought Priests were bad enough now our Republican Congress "Men" are fucking our kids.

[Mabus]

94. Sounds like something Bill O'Loofah/Falafel would write

I'm beginning to wonder if all rethugs are equally inept at talking dirty.

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

135. It's difficult to wrap their brains around eroticism,

so they must go straight for the pornography angle.

[Mendocino]

95. Congressional Page now as bad of connotation as WH Intern

We should refer to this as the "Blue Dress IM".

Isn't there a movie line for politicans that says "Don't get caught with a dead girl or a live boy".

[earth mom]

96. Another sicko who belongs in JAIL!

Wanna bet he weasels out of it somehow?! Probably already has plane tickets to join up with Michael Jackson in Bahrain! :puke:

[Divine Discontent]

98. speaking of airplanes...

not to say they're f'ng nuts and would do ANYTHING to not have this story be the talk of the weekend, but what's with the missing Brazilian plane with 155 people on it??? I pray for them.


and at least this story about Foley is the #2 story still on msnbc.com.

[drm604]

99. That link seems to be broken.

You can download the PDF from here: http://tinyurl.com/fq5r6
You just have to wait a few seconds after the page loads before you can download it.

[snowbear]

172. Even that link won't work for me...

Someone told me I probably disabled my Adobe file by accident and that I just needed to go in and re-set it..

Or something of that sort.. For some reason, I just can't get pdf files to open.. but even that one @ tiny URL wouldn't open.

O'well.. I'll get it figured out sooner or later.

I need a computer expert over here!

[drm604]

174. You have to actually download it to your hard drive from that site

and then try to open it from your drive. If you did that and it still didn't work then maybe you should try reinstalling Adobe Acrobat. You can get the latest version of Acrobat from here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

[liberalhistorian]

178. "page loads?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Sorry, couldn't resist it!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

101. GOP stands for Grand Old Perverts

honestly, these folks are so obsessed with sex.
They either live in their parents basement, or they are sick.

The funny thing is GOP tries to paint Dems as being loose or something,
or lacking in morals, but who is it that is always messing with
little children? GOP

[chrisau214]

104. This Is a Very Sad Day For Towels

This damned pervert has just gone and undone all of the good that Douglas Adams did for towels.

Perverted bastard...






Chris

[Joe Bacon]

105. Yet this idiot TV Preacher is telling the (m)asses to PRAY for FOLEY

I'm losing it, this ass is on Jesus TV telling the flock of fools to pray for God to intervene for Mark Foley...

[blondeatlast]

137. But not for the KID?

Yikes, I'm glad I'm not witness to that. :puke:

[Dammit Ann]

106. i think i just threw up in my mouth...

a little bit. holy shit, i feel a blog coming on. thanks for the link! now, i have to go shower.

THE DAMMIT CHRONICLES

[Wise Doubter]

110. Foley's explicit e-mail to 16 year old kid- SPIN FROM THE GATE,

reporting of incident lessened from the gate. This NOT email ! This is LIVE chat.

sick bastards !!

[AIJ Alom]

111. House Leadership Implicated, Democrat on Page System not told.

Democrat on the House page system a year ago can be found in this post.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2537424

[rudeboy666]

115. Bill Clinton Territory

.....cute stuff

[Carni]

118. OK that was truly INSIDIOUS WTF?

Totally disgusting--

[Flirtus]

119. a repub coworker has informed me that

because the recipient was a teenager it's no big deal.

[Penndems]

147. It's "no big deal" that a Congressman was sending sexually explicit

messages to a minor? Wow, sounds like that co-worker has some issues of his/her own s/he needs to have checked out.

I swear, they are the most morally- and consciencely-deficient individuals on the face of the planet.

[telegonus]

123. You know if this was a Democrat NBC's "To Catch a Predator"

would have a whole segment devoted to it, but I'm guessing since it was a Republican, they won't mention it at all.

[Mad_Dem_X]

127. HOLY CRAP

I need to scrub myself clean after reading that. :puke:

[Vickers]

130. "i always use lotion and the hand"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


They should call themselves the J.O.P. ...the Jerk-Off Party!

[Totally Committed]

131. OMG....... The JOP!

:rofl:

B E A U T I F U L ! ! !

ROTFLMAO!

TC

[El Fuego]

138. :puke: :puke: :puke:

:puke:

[TankLV]

148. Wow - I'm still waiting to see if the whore media covers this as it does

all democratic "scandals" - like Clinton "blowing his top" on poor widdle fox "journalist".

wow...

this is disgusting, but not surprising for a repuke - the party that OBSESSES about sex.

I'd stake my life that on all the things they obsess about THEY themselves are doing it a hundred times over what they accuse the others of doing!

[sce56]

150. It is the repugPEDOPHILElican way

Conspiracy of Silence

The Documentary "They" Don't Want You to See

By Ted Gunderson Ted Gunderson.com
Original Link:
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/tgvideosandbooks1sep02.shtml
September 1, 2002

A True Story About Sex, Child Abuse, Murder and Drugs, Covered up By Authorities



“Conspiracy of Silence”, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994.




This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.
http://letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=45

[lumberjack_jeff]

152. Gaaa! My eyes!

:puke:

[Alcibiades]

157. Republican Congressman: Never too busy to masturbate

Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha

These guys only met for, what, something like 90 days this year?
It is not true to call them a "do nothing" Congress. They are keeping their hands busy.

[rodeodance]

158. WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!

[Blaq Dem]

169. Limbaugh has his viagra

Conservatives are freaks. I'm afraid to hear what else Foley has done to little boys. I think they're covering up more.

[classysassy]

161. "The Limbaugh Gang"

I bet my last peso,the rightwing talkings heads on the sunday morning talk shows,will avoid the topic like to good team players they are.

[classysassy]

162. Clinton made me do it

he created this atmosphere of depravity,so its not my fault.

[RestoreGore]

167. And WHERE were this boy's PARENTS?

I have a son the same age, and I NEVER allow him to sit at the computer talking to strangers! And what he does on the Internet is monitored as well. Again, this is absolutely despicable, but where were the boy's parents?

[napi21]

168. I want to know if there was ever any live interaction between them!

Nobody has mentioned if this was isolated to IM and strictly on line! If this Page worked with Foley, why shouldn't we also believe they met...somewhere?

This whole thing is absolutely disgusting to me, and at 63, it's the worst I've ever read about this kind of behavior. I'm not willing to accept the inference that this was isolated to on-line exchanges! It seems that this boy knew the Congressman well enough to ask why he was in Fl. etc, so there may be a lot more to this story!!!!

Hell, I'll take theClinton/Monica story anyday over this crap!!!!

[40ozDonkey]

171. Look out Mr. Foley!

[SeaBob]

173. Email Response below

:puke:

[hurricaneric]

177. Abramoff is The story that's slipping through the cracks

Jack Abramoff's contacts with the White House are being overlooked due to the Foley incident. The Abramoff issue is much bigger, yet the media isn't picking up on it. Instead the GOP's filth-bag Foley is going down and will be out by the time Nov. rolls around. We should all be focusing on Abramoff, that is a issue that won't go away.

[ProudDad]

179. That's probably why they

trotted out Foley now.

They saved him for the right time to wag the dog...

[Erechtheides]

187. The most amazing thing about all this is

This man is a member of congress representing part of Florida, and he can't spell Pensacola!?
Or bulge, for that matter.

[gasperc]

189. the same shit Dateline has busted people for

this is bullshit, the FBI knows they could have easily got Foley to go meet some kid through one of these. and then they would have thrown on the handcuffs. Foley was protected, by whom?