"Stop crying in your teacups..." - John Kerry

[Meldread]

“Stop crying in your teacups. It isn’t going to change. Get over it.”

That was the response of John Kerry to a liberal who condemned the theft of the presidency by George W. Bush. If the sentiment sounds familiar, that’s because it isn’t original. Kerry borrowed his words from America’s vapid conservative posse for whom chanting the phrase “Get over it” constitutes a dazzling display of wit.

Plagiarizing witticisms from Ann Coulter is not an endearing trait for a potential Democratic presidential nominee. It is one thing for liberals who are still incensed about the stolen election to be treated contemptuously by right wing banshees – it is an entirely different matter to incur such disdain from a man who seeks to be our champion.

-snip-

Siding with Bush on the theft of the election, supporting an illegal war, gutting the Bill of Rights, voting to confirm extremist judges, and misusing education money to buy favorable news coverage for Bush comprise a track record that is unlikely to inoculate nominee Kerry from a crippling third party challenge. His record of accommodating the Republicans will prevent him from easily moving to the middle - where elections are won - because a significant number of liberals will hesitate to throw their support behind a candidate who has so frequently abandoned them.

-snip-

During his years in Washington, he has been a bloodless technocrat who has watched passively as three Republican presidents have lied and cheated and broken the law. He was a warrior in the battle against Vietnamese communism, but he has been a conscientious objector in the fight against American fascism. While he was undeniably brave in opposing his enemies on the battlefield, his conduct in the Senate has frequently been craven. He has not been a leader, he has been a follower, and all too often he has followed the wrong party.

The upcoming presidential campaign will require extraordinary vigilance on the part of the Democratic nominee. Bush is a con man who will tell Americans anything they want to hear. The Democrat cannot win by politely reciting policy positions – he must repeatedly confront his deceitful opponent in order to show voters that they have been swindled. It will be an arduous process requiring an advocate who can persuasively convey a sense of righteous indignation, and John Kerry has never demonstrated that he is capable of summoning the indignation necessary for the task at hand.

Read it all here.

[The Blue Knight]

1. I agree 110%

[ShaneGR]

56. These attacks by Dean people on Kerry worked well in Iowa...nt

[blm]

2. This article is full of false charges.

They were refuted the first 5 times the article was posted.

[Democrats unite]

5. Then it should be easy to refute them here.

[blm]

20. Podvin is SO stupid he never heard of BCCI or IranContra.

In one of his rants he claims Kerry never stood up against any Republican president. In fact, kerry permanently SCORCHED the legacies of Nixon, Reagan and Bush when he stood up to them all in history making ways.

Bush2's legacy will be permanently altered in November.

[Carolina]

73. SCORCHED their legacies???

oh yeah, that's why Bush and Reagan's names are no where to be found on public buildings: Bush CIA headquarters, Bush Airport in Texass (typo intended), Reagan National Airport (in DC/VA), the Reagan Federal Building (which dwarfs many others)...

Reagan remains adored by many, Bush Daddy is viewed as an honorable man. Yeah, that's some scorching.

[Meldread]

6. Did he or did he not?

Did he or did he not tell everyone who was upset over the stealing of the 2000 Election to "Stop crying in their teacups"?

I wonder if John Kerry will be crying in his teacup when he loses to Bush just like Gore did.

[blm]

11. Try reading the TRUTH and THEN comment.

Or you can spread internet message board rumors that are charged with inaccurate information and vitriol.


http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/5635691.htm

"Presidential candidate John Kerry attempted Monday to light a fire under a lethargic Democratic Party that he said had gotten lazy the past few years.
"Addressing party activists at a luncheon at Claflin University, the Massachusetts senator urged the party faithful to go out and fight for their beliefs.

"'The way to do it is to get mad, to get angry, to get active, to get out there and get off your ...,' he said to prolonged cheers, without completing the thought. 'Get going.'

"Kerry's sermonette was prompted by a questioner dismayed by the outcome of the 2000 presidential election won by George W. Bush and the drubbing Democrats took in the 2002 election.
"Bush lost the popular vote to Democrat Al Gore, but captured the electoral vote after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the GOP's favor by denying a vote recount in Florida.

"'Just because the Supreme Court made the wrong decision in 2000 doesn't mean we have to live with it for the next six years,' Kerry said."
>>>>>>>>

[For PaisAn]

18. OK

Kerry:
"'The way to do it is to get mad, to get angry, to get active, to get out there and get off your ...,' he said to prolonged cheers, without completing the thought. 'Get going.'

I'll ask again...
Then why hasn't Senator Kerry taken the corrective action of signing on to S 1980, the senate bill that would require a paper trail for electronic voting?

[blm]

24. Kerry is lining up a legal team to go after the BBV issue.

You'll be hearing about it real soon.

[For PaisAn]

31. ?

Will his legal team go after BBV no matter who the Dem nominee is? I hope so. Where did you read this, do you have link?

I wish someone would answer the question that was ASKED. Why hasn't he signed on to the legislation?

[blm]

38. Maybe because he's been campaigning away from DC for months now.

.

[ibegurpard]

42. What an amazing Freudian slip

Which totally sums up John Kerry for me.
"Maybe because he's been campaigning away from DC for months now."

[blm]

48. Not Freudian at all. It's just a simple fact.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[ibegurpard]

51. Exactly

Kerry is an endless campaigner whose principles will change to fit whatever he thinks will most benefit his ambition.

[Carolina]

74. yeah, too busy for his day job

like voting against the Medicare bill, against Bush's Omnibus Bill ...
But then again, with his own blue blood and marriages to 2 gazillionaire heiresses, who needs a day job?

Where was Kerry's activism and righteous anger as he voted, when he voted, in ways that supported Bush? I have been ticked off since 12/12/2000. And no, I will never get over it.

[For PaisAn]

47. Well then

maybe he hasn't been doing his job for months now.

[Meldread]

21. Ahh... So we're lazy now?

He saw us as lazy then? I find that ironic considering this is the most energized this party has been in years.

[blm]

27. This was earlier last year.

And the "lazy" person is the writer YOU posted who did not bother to check into the whole story as a real journalist would do.

Why don't you admit the truth about the Podvin smear piece you posted?

[Meldread]

29. *laugh* So anyone who doesn't report things the way you want...

*laugh* So anyone who doesn't report things the way you want isn't a real journalist? Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

[blm]

37. No. He either deliberately lied or was amazingly ignorant.

Are you so unfamiliar with Kerry's actions on Vietnam, BCCI and IranContra that you would agree with Podvin that Kerry never stood up against any Republican president?

Kerry was standing up to Bush2 well before Dean. His attacks on Bush were too substantive and damaging to Bush for the press to give them an airing.

Dean;s rants were entertaining so the press gave him the stage for most of last year.

[Zhade]

80. Yeah, he sure was standing up to b*sh.

I mean, voting for that Patriot Act and for the IWR - talk about standing up to b*sh!

Oh, wait. That's enabling, not standing up.

[Carolina]

75. exactly, my Dean friend

we were out the streets protesting at the installation (er, inauguration)and at the very idea of pre-emptive war, protesting wherever and whenever from our secure first amendment zones.
We faxed, emailed and snail-mailed the Washington insiders to no avail. Yet we're the lazy ones?

No, sirree, Mr. Kerry, you doth protest too much since you were TOO LAZY to read the Patriot Act or do some independent intelligence work on the alleged Iraqi threat before voting 'aye'.

We, the people -- the d/Democratic core -- have been fired up since 12/12/2000. What were you doing, JK

[HFishbine]

Where was Kerry's anger?

Why didn't he get angry and get off his ... and support the Congressional Black Caucus in challenging the Florida results when his single voice could have made a difference. He sat on his hands and now he wants us to get angry. Yeah. I'm angry alright.

[blm]

61. Gore asked them not to.

When is it ever going to be Gore's responsibility?

[HFishbine]

69. And I asked my senator, Edwards, to do so

So....

[Carolina]

76. Gore and Kerry

both politically tone-deaf.

Kerry has a habit of listening to the wrong colleague: Gore in 2000 but not Kennedy and Byrd in 2002 on IWR.

Finger in the wind, that's Kerry.

[Zhade]

79. GORE DID NOT LOSE.

You know, it shocks me that I still, after 3 years, have to tell PROGRESSIVES that Gore won Florida.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. "Don't get mad, get even" followed that statement.

This is as dishonest as only including the last statement on Kerry's MA ruling.

Kerry was distinguishing ruminating over a wrong versus talking corrective action. Guess some people still don't get that message. I did.

[For PaisAn]

7. corrective action?

Then why hasn't Senator Kerry taken the corrective action of signing on to S 1980, the senate bill that would require a paper trail for electronic voting?

[Democrats unite]

8. What was dishonest about Kerry's MA ruling?

He said he was against it!

[Meldread]

10. That's spin.

I've been looking for some place that Kerry explained that statement. I've yet to find it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. It's in the original article in which Kerry made the

statement. I am looking for it as we speak so that you will see the error of letting David Lodvin do your reading FOR YOU.

Nevermind...see post 11

[MoonRiver]

4. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

:boring:

[Raya]

9. Why the hell are we "Crying in our teacups" 3 years later. It's LAZY

We should be united and determine to destroy the Bush tyranny rather than posting ridiculous snipes on one another.

Come up with a substantial criticism or go do some something useful.

[Meldread]

15. I'm not crying in my teacup, but I do find it amusing...

I'm not crying in my teacup, but I do find it amusing that Kerry would snipe at those who are angry at what Bush has done. I'm most certainly not crying in my teacup -- in fact I never was, I just set out to remove Bush from office. Of course Kerry in that interim decided to support Bush most of the time, so unfortunately for him he fell into the same category.

[Monte Carlo]

12. Armchair activists complain and sour over the old wrongs...

... then those who wish to right them again stop obsessing and do something about it. Get over it, suck it up, and move on. Don't get mad, get even. All of that.

[ibegurpard]

17. Actually, many of us have taken your advice

which is also why many of us cannot stomach the thought of John Kerry representing us.

[Name removed]

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[ibegurpard]

35. No worries.

It's not about Howard Dean for me...he just happened to be the one that was saying the things that resonated for me. What has transpired so far in the Democratic primaries has simply steeled me to become more involved in efforts to remake the Democratic Party into an organization that is accountable to PEOPLE and not Washington politicos and big money contributors.

[Monte Carlo]

50. That's fine then.

Kerry is a Washington politician with a 20 year history and that's going to bring along some baggage along with it. Hell, he IS a big money contributor. His strategies for election and the Presidency may be different, but that doesn't mean he's just another part of the problem.

When people give Kerry none of the benefit-of-the-doubt when he says things like "get over" the 2000 election fiasco, that irritates me. Here is a Democrat with a record that closely follows Ted Kennedy's, and all of a sudden he's plagarizing Ann Coulter.

[Meldread]

36. I think you said it best, John Kerry is a disappointment! -nt-

[Monte Carlo]

41. For you, it can be. But this endless nitpicking is tiring.

And this zero-faith you have with Kerry is unnecessary.

[Meldread]

45. Tell that to the families who lost children because of Kerry's IWR vote.

I'm sure they'd like to have their children's lives referred to as "nitpicking".

[Monte Carlo]

52. Well that's for another thread, then.

And that's not what I said. Do not lump your issues together.

[Carolina]

77. exactly

The thought of a Kerry nomination infuriates me.

[wyldwolf]

13. What a load of BS!

Kerry then said, "don't get mad, get even!"

Anything to tear down the frontrunner!

Though I'm not a follower of Alan Colmes, I agree with something he once said, "If I didn't know better, I'd swear Democrats would eat their own."

[Forkboy]

19. "Anything to tear down the frontrunner!"

That seemed to be the battlecry of anti-Dean people.

No names of course.

[Monte Carlo]

28. Would all of these people post at DU?

They might not be representative of all those who didn't vote for Dean in the passed primaries.

[wyldwolf]

39. And the battlecry of anti-Kerry people..

...when Kerry was the frontrunner BEFORE Dean.

I must also point out that Dean never polled better than Bush consistantly.

Kerry is the real deal - at least as a challenge to Bush.

Dean never was.

[Democrats unite]

23. Kerry doesn't want to eat me...

He just wants to keep me a 2nd class citizen! To me that is unacceptable.

[Meldread]

26. I agree. If anything Kerry just keeps shoving his foot deeper and deeper

I agree. If anything Kerry just keeps shoving his foot deeper and deeper into his mouth, while alienating half the electorate in the process. Gee, Mr. Electability at his best!

[blm]

30. And YOU post smear pieces that are demonstrably false.

Why?

[Meldread]

32. It's true. It's not a smear peice.

Kerry said it not me.

[blm]

40. Podvin changes the thrust of what Kerry said and you know it.

You just don't seem to care about Podvin's honesty or accuracy.

[Meldread]

43. I'm just reporting the truth, and it will set you free. -nt-

[wyldwolf]

46. Orwellian truth...

Despite evidence to the contrary, "truth" is truth. And don't bother you with details, right?

[Democrats unite]

33. What is false about what I said?

[pocoloco]

34. And make money off his stock in wallyworld!

[corporatewhore]

16. Thats a very racist comment good to know kerry thinks we shouldnt be upset

about jim crow

[patricia92243]

22. I thought the original old saying "Stop crying in your beer".

[eaprez]

44. Two Choices

Seems to me there are two choices here. Those who are not Kerry supporters can whine and bitch and moan if he gets the nomination - continue to tear him down and stay home on election day or help re-elect Bush OR We can all work for the same goal - and that is removal of the Bush Administration from power. This is all about power not individuals.

[Meldread]

49. You are correct there are two choices, but you've gotten the choices wrong

Choice 1: You can nominate Kerry and lose the General Election, and thus you will re-elect Bush.

Choice 2: You can nominate Dean or Clark and defeat Bush in November.

Those are your choices. You have to live with the consequences.

[eaprez]

53. My post didn't state who the nominee was.

So its still valid.

[Meldread]

54. No it's not. A Kerry nomination is what you implied. -nt-

[eaprez]

62. It 'implied' it

because thats what the post that started the thread implied as well. There are still TWO choices. You support the Dem nominee or you support the other side. NOT voting supports the other side.

[Carolina]

78. yeah but

we're not down to Kerry v Bush YET. I agree that's a no-brainer. But we should not throw in the towel to Kerry before all Democrats have a chance to have their say. Super Tuesday is weeks away. This get behind Kerry now theme is maddening and undemocratic.

I don't support Kerry but I will if/when I have to.

[Name removed]

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[corporatewhore]

58. I think we should be outraged when jim crow rears his ugly head

[cindyw]

57. Isn't there a statute of limitaions on this crap?

Honestly are we going to have the same discussion here once a month?

[Forkboy]

59. With the amount of new DUers per week

I certainly hope so.

[Colin Ex]

60. My Defense, which I suspect will be promptly ignored

Okay. The election is stolen by the Supreme Court and Katherine Harris in Florida. That I'm sure we can all agree on -- I'm sure we've all read Greg Palast.

Now, three years into his term and with November coming in the near future, how viable is it to push for investigations? While it is a FACT that the election was not legitimately won by Dubya, it is also a fact that most people have either forgotten or don't give a fuck about it.

And unfortunately, a bunch of angry dudes with yardsigns probably can't make them care.

This, really, is moot. If you're going to slander a candidate, talk about exporting jobs to India or something.

-C

[Zhade]

82. You don't get over a coup d'etat.

Leaving aside for the moment what Kerry may or may not have said, I'd like to point that out.

No one who loves and believes in the Constitution should "get over" the coup. Ever. Should we focus solely on it to the exclusion of everything else? Of course not.

But we must never forget, or it will happen again. And again. And again.

[sleipnir]

63. Exactly why I refuse to vote for the nominee, John Kerry

I wish the Dems had run someone this year, but oh well..

[corporatewhore]

64. yep we need to run a dem who will oppose and e outraged by jim crow

[oasis]

65. "Stop crying" because Americans have no patience with whiners.

Kerry was telling it like it is.

[corporatewhore]

66. totally jim crow is not something to get upset about

:eyes:

[oasis]

68. The perception of Democrats should not be one of a bunch of wimpy whiners.

That's how you lose elections. Take into account when Kerry made the comment.

[dansolo]

67. I wonder what Kerry will say when he gets Diebolded (n/t)

[oasis]

71. Kerry stated that he will challenge Diebold before the elections.

[Zhade]

70. GET OVER IT?

We should "get over" a fucking coup d'etat?

Is Kerry serious?

[mitchum]

72. I imagine John Kerry has pretty high reading comprehension skills...

unlike some people

[Cascadian]

81. Thank you for reminding us of that statement.

Has anybody forgotten that?

John