Howard Dean and Dick Cheney Have A Lot in Common.....

[deminflorida]

Everyone knows that the legal system can be manipulated to a certain extent. If you don't want something to go to court at a particular time, then just continue to appeal the matter until it either gets dropped from the legal system or is resolved to your satisfaction
if you’re lucky.

Take a look at Dick Cheney...he's appealed this matter all the way to the Supreme Court.

(CNN) -- The General Accounting Office (GAO), the investigative arm of Congress, announced recently its intention to file suit against the White House to force it to release notes involving an energy task force headed by Vice President Dick Cheney. The fight for the notes began when the GAO requested them last summer and has heated up with the financial collapse of Enron. The White House maintains that turning over the notes would erode the ability of the executive branch to get advice in private and to deliberate matters.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/02/08/dean.cheney.cnna/

“WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide whether Vice President Dick Cheney must disclose his contacts with energy executives, including some from Houston's Enron Corp., as the Bush administration drew up its energy policy. “

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/2298456
Now take a look at Howard Dean..

“MONTPELIER - Former Gov. Howard Dean said Sunday he will let a judge determine which of his sealed gubernatorial records should be opened to the public.”

http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/75701.html

“EXETER, N.H. -- Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said Monday that he would not file an answer -- due in Washington County Superior Court in Vermont Tuesday -- to a lawsuit against him demanding that he unseal papers from his governorship, and instead would leave the matter to his friend, William Sorrell, the current attorney general in Vermont.” - “Dean appointed Sorrell to the post.”

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031223/NEWS/312230654/1017

So what’s in the records Dr. Dean, something to do with Enron?

“Last week, after Dean denied providing a tax break as governor that benefited Enron Corp. -- which a published report showed he did -- Gephardt said: "Once again, Howard Dean refuses to admit the truth. You can't beat George W. Bush if you can't tell the truth about your own record." Tricia Enright, a Dean spokeswoman, called the quarrel a difference of "interpretation." Dean, she said, restructured the Vermont tax code for scores of companies and did not provide a specific break to Enron.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A9661-2003Dec17?language=printer


“In December 1994, Enron set up what's known as a "captive insurance company," called Gulf Company Ltd., in Vermont - and Enron's former chief financial officer, Andrew Fastow, who was on the board, came to visit.”

http://forum.chronwatch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1339

Want to know what they are saying on Free Republic, and before you start yelling more Freeper B.S., let me tell you this, if you're going to win a war, you'd better study your enemy, so here it is:

"Furthermore, Howard Dean - who's running with a promise to re-regulate everything from the media to energy - slashed every regulation he could reach to woo these megacorps. Dean and his entire party are out there screaming about the big tax breaks that Bush and the boys give to Enron and Halliburton, yet he tried to set up the Granite State as a landlocked Bermudian tax haven! No wonder Dean is willing to go to court to keep those records sealed. Can you imagine what his fringe, kook liberal base would say if they got found out about these tax breaks to the corporations they hate?"

"Be very careful with these records. I would not be surprised if Dean doesn't want these released during the primaries because they indicate a few policies that are not so favorable for the Left. But for the general election, they'll make him look positively
right-wing."

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1039410/posts

If any of this is true, and it does come to the light of day during the general election, then Howard Dean will have pulled off one the biggest cover-ups in modern political history,and he pulls the trickery on his own party no less.

Maybe he is the guy who's clever enough to win in the general election after all, but for me, if any of this is true - then I don't even want him near the White House because he's no different than the guy who's living there now.

[AWD]

1. Wesley Clark and Dick Cheney have a lot in common

They're both on record saying that Bush has done a wonderful job.

[deminflorida]

3. Boy that was fast, and since you didn't have time to read my,

post then nothing your saying is backed up by evidence, or substance...

[AWD]

7. I didn't have to read it...

....it was most likely posted here yesterday, and the day before, and the day before.

It's all the same.

And yes, Clark HAS praised BushCo.

[edzontar]

11. Any one of us could write these things in our sleep....

Do you guys use a program or something?

An "Anti-Dean thread generator"?

[AWD]

13. Is this enough????

[deminflorida]

19. Remember this one?

"If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."
(Feb. 2003) - Howard Dean

[AWD]

22. Remember these???

You know, the ones that YOU said had I no evidence of???

[OrAnarch]

2. This is getting rather repetative

and monotomous...regurgitated old threads based on out of context garbage. And how does this post weaken Bush and help put a democrat in the White House?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

5. It doesn't, it's just flamebait (nt)

[KaraokeKarlton]

4. Dean did NOT give a tax cut to benefit Enron

He gave a tax cut in 1993. Enron didn't even have a captive insurance company in Vermont until 2 years AFTER that cut went into effect, in 1995. How on earth did Howard Dean give a company a cut 2 years before they even had a company in his state? Riddle me that one, Batman. :eyes:

[chocolateeater]

10. Dean is clairavoyant n/t

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. You really ought to be...

Quite ashamed of youself for posting this inference. Quite ashamed indeed.

Leave this kind of crap to instigators or freepers who are trying to wedge us apart. Or...?

[deminflorida]

9. The Emperor Has No Clothes On......

N/T

[chocolateeater]

12. That's nice.

Now try replying to #4.

[AWD]

15. At least get the quote right....

It's "The Emperor has no clothes".

Oh, and here.

[edzontar]

8. More unhelpful flamebait.

What is it with Florida today?

[deminflorida]

14. Uh, well we were already robbed and tricked in 2000....

So we've learned to read and research things down here....

Is that good enough for ya?

[AWD]

16. And you learned to ignore things too.....

[deminflorida]

23. Not really.......

10 Questions to Ask Howard

Maybe Howard can answer these questions so there can be more evidence of flip-flops.

1. Why did you support sending Vermont's nuclear waste to the poor, mostly Hispanic town of Sierra Blanca, Texas, 16 miles from the Mexican border -- a plan described as "blatant environmental racism" by Paul Wellstone?
2. Why did the Dean administration increase funding for Vermont's state colleges by only 7% while you increased funding for prisons by 150%?
3. Why did IBM, the leading polluter in Vermont, receive your Environmental Achievement Award nine times?
4. What did you mean when you said, "I've had 40 or 45 private meetings with IBM since I've been governor. And IBM has gotten pretty much everything they've asked for"?
5. Why did you wait for the courts and legislature to bring about the civil union bill before you supported it? Why did you sign the bill in private when you finally did sign it?
6. Why do you oppose the Israeli Labour Party candidate for prime minister Amram Mitzna's call for unconditional peace talks with the Palestinians?
7. While you acknowledge that you "haven't condemned Congress for passing the Patriot Act," Bernie Sanders from your own state of Vermont is leading efforts in Congress to overturn the Act. Why are you not supporting Bernie Sanders' efforts and condemning Congress for its attack on civil liberties?
8. How do you respond to Annette Smith of Vermonters For A Clean Environment who says: "Dean's attempt to run for president as an environmentalist is nothing but a fraud. He's destroyed the Agency of Natural Resources, he's refused to meet with environmentalists while constantly meeting with developers, and he's made the permitting process one, big dysfunctional joke. EP under Governor Dean meant Expedite Permits, not Environmental Protection"?
9. Since you pride yourself on your "fiscal responsibility" who do you refuse to even consider any decreases in the bloated Pentagon budget?
10. Why did you go skiing in Aspen, Colorado and become a ski bum after getting a Vietnam Back Injury Deferral less than two months?

[JNelson6563]

17. This sounds kind of Cheney-like:

But the operation in Iraq will also serve as a launching pad for further diplomatic overtures, pressures and even military actions against others in the region who have supported terrorism and garnered weapons of mass destruction. Don’t look for stability as a Western goal. Governments in Syria and Iran will be put on notice — indeed, may have been already — that they are “next” if they fail to comply with Washington’s concerns.

Points to who guesses the source of that quote.

Julie

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. You picked a sure way to bury any points you wanted to make

We are both Clark supporters, and I am sure we can find agreement on many things. However I will not even read your post because you chose such an inflamatory way of presenting your thoughts. I get upset when Dean calls another Democrat "Bush'lite", and here you are equating Dean with Cheney (technically you can deny that, but it is the implicit intent of your title).

We do not need to inflame inra party tensions further. If there is something specific that Dean did or says that you have trouble with, I would much prefer it if you would directly present your concern. This type of post hurts both Clark (because as foolish as it ultimately is, some people judge a candidate by the actions of those supporters who tick them off the most) and the Democratic Party. YOu may have valid points to make. If you present them in a reasonable context, I likely would consider them.

[deminflorida]

20. Hey, don't shoot the messenger.....

If it smells like a cover-up, then maybe it is a cover-up...

and maybe it's a serious one at that....

[windansea]

21. records...what records???

you silly wabbit!!

don't you know that Dean's dodging and weaving on releasing his records shows us how he's going to take back the country and end the shenanigans in Washington??

:hi:

[Moderator]

24. Locking...

This is inflammatory.

DU Moderator