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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:40 PM Original message |
Obama is a bit like Kennedy |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. If you feel that way. . . |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Um Okay... Since When was Kennedy Disliked by Progressives? |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It's not a new one. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Now I Know You Is Lying..... |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. ? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Kennedy was deplored by the "progressives" of his day... and even... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. That is all Supposition... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. it is all fact |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Ted Kennedy is a DLC Democrat? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Please tell me you haven't thought we were discussing Ted Kennedy |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. That's Who I Thought You Were Talking about: |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. you do know JFK stands for John F. Kennedy? |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Before You Make this Out to Be My Misunderstanding |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. no, the OP was referring to JFK as well. NOT Ted Kennedy |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. That Clears up alot... thanks (nt) |
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katinmn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Seems like an esoteric view. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. This is well-documented |
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bobbie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, clearly it's rather early to know if he's Kennedyesque |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm progressive and I don't dislike him. |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. But a lot of us would go for somebody else besides him |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. Stevenson DID run twice — both against Eisenhower. NT |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. 3 times |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. there was even a move by progressives to "draft" Stevenson... |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Yeah. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. well, most of this is pretty common knowledge |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. "denial" is right.... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. JFK served 4 years in the House of Reps and 8 years in the U.S. Senate 1st. |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Actually |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Being a State Senator does not equal federal experience |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It is political experience |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
19. He doesn't have enough experience for '08 |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. He will have had 12 years of political experience |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. State Legislature =/= Congressman |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. ? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Sorry but a State Legislature doesn't deal with International Affairs |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Political experience is political experience |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. What about Clinton? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. There is a classic debate here, but Obama misses on both counts |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. doesn't have enough experience for '08? - compared to whom? Bush?!! |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
25. Experience vs inexperience |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. THANK YOU! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Age doesn't guarantee relevant experience, only relevant experience does. |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. You seemed to miss the point with Nixon |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. See my post #37 |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. That is why I would prefer Gore. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. And that's why I prefer Clark, and Gore & Feingold after him |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
38. This may get me slammed, but being a Black man in America by itself |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. No slam from me, it's a good argument, but... |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I certainly don't think this should alone be enough to support anyone |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
43. Obama is most likely a bit like a lot of people, and a whole lot |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Excellent article here.....which reasonates with points you have raised |
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The Sushi Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
51. NOT |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
53. And I wish Obama kept his mouth shut about all this 3 weeks longer |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. And then he would have been hounded for the next two weeks |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. It's tied in to his book tour. That's why he's suddenly everyhwere |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. The book release actually HELPS Dems |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Maybe. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I really think if he refused to answer, he would have been accused |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. OK |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. GOP media will hound Obama to distract from election, FOX has already begun! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. I'd like to see a lot more of him |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
57. Yep. |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. We are talking about President Kennedy, here... n/t |
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Pyrzqxgl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
63. JFK only got the nomination in 1960 because progressives were divided |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. Good luck in winning that election |
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