Dean Not Ready to Sentence Bin Laden

[wyldwolf]

Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean says it's premature to recommend what penalty Osama bin Laden should face before he's been legally determined to be guilty of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20031226_866.html

[oasis]

1. How's that gonna look to Joe Sixpack? Reserve judgement on Osama and

accuse Bush of "not proved" conspiracies concerning the Saudi's and 9/11. This won't play well in the Bible belt.

[Scott Lee]

4. so YOU want to be ruled by the Bible Belt?

I thought you were one of the folks jumping Dean over his Christmas Christian comments. So, what's it gonna be?

[oasis]

12. I didn't blast Dean about his "Elmer Gantry" tour of the bible belt

but I sure was thinking about it.

[Scott Lee]

20. Do you want to lower yourself to theocracy, or aspire to something better?

I would hope that progressive minded people would choose the latter, and seek to educate the public on misconceptions they might have about an issue.

Are you game?

[oasis]

34. I don't need to educate the American public about their "misconceptions"

about Dr. Dean on issues. That's for his followers to do. Dr. Dean sometimes will "pop off" and then give a reasonable explanation later. If your going to pop off about something, let it be about having the "ruthless killer Osama's head on a silver platter". Say something like that, and the NRA crowd will be less embarrased to to put a Dean sticker on their pickup trucks.

Do you follow me?

[HFishbine]

13. Right

Don't question the Bush lies. People are too stupid to comprehend. Best to swallow the shit and find a candidate who can out-Bush Bush.

[oasis]

16. Candidates who bash Bush had better not give Osama a pass. Or appear

to do so.

[HFishbine]

22. In other words

Don't question the Bush lies. People are too stupid to comprehend. Best to swallow the shit and find a candidate who can out-Bush Bush.

[MIMStigator]

24. Dean couldn't avoid saying Osama might be innocent? Dean can't win.

Any candidate who says osama bin laden might be innocent = L-O-S-E-R

Now all * has to do is say yeah he's guilty and I want him dead and he wins 49 states.

[HFishbine]

26. So, what you're saying is

Don't question the Bush lies. People are too stupid to comprehend. Best to swallow the shit and find a candidate who can out-Bush Bush.

[MIMStigator]

29. I'm saying NOBODY CARES about osama's due process and Dean doesn't know it

Dean doesn't understand that NOBODY IN AMERICA cares about osama bin laden's due process. Dean can't win.

[HFishbine]

36. And I'm saying

that I'm damn sick and tired of people suggesting that we modulate our beliefs so that we can field a candidate who won't challenge any of the misconceptions held by the American public. Let's just roll over on civil liberties, pre-emptive war, due process, equal rights and a whole host of other principles previously held dear by the Democrats because we'd rather capitulate to ignorance and darkness than lead people to the truth.

No thanks. I'll put my faith in thinking leaders and reject those who's ascendance to power would depend on underestimating the intellegence of the American people.

[bearfartinthewoods]

38. no, we're supposed to roll over on free trade, right to work,

faith based initiatives and nuclear waste in order to support dean..

[HFishbine]

48. Who do you recommend? (n/t)

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[bowens43]

61. Well said.

In this country, a person , any person , is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and anyone who doesn't believe that should move their sorry asses to North Korea or somewhere else with a system more to their liking.

[janx]

103. Excellent point, Fishbine.

This has gotten serious, and I'm glad you posted what you did.

[bowens43]

59. You're wrong. I care very much.

Anyone and everyone who believes in our Constitution and our system of laws cares., if they don't they deserve bush.

[LiberalBushFan]

62. now Osama being guilty of 9-11 is a "Bush lie"?

The terrible things that happen in the next four years will be the fault of evil Republicans and of people like you helping Dean beat Bush with statements like Osama and 9/11 are Bush lies. As much as I fault those who are media-braidwashed, at least they don't brainwash themselves.

[WillyT]

27. Says Something Pretty Pathetic About Our Country... Doesn't It ???

:shrug:

[MIMStigator]

30. Maybe it does. Let's nominate a loser so we can prove it.

?

[bowens43]

64. Better to lose with principles then to abandon them

to win. A win like that would be to win the battle and lose the war. There are more important issues at stake then whether there is a democrat or republican in the oval office.

[bearfartinthewoods]

79. if you want to lose with principles, let's do it for real with DK

i could almost take going down fighting if we went down with one of our own.

[Hoppin_Mad]

32. He said no such thing - There were trials for Nazis at Nurenburg

Even confessed killers have trials ! Sorry you're so unfamiliar with the legal system.

---

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well... our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

Wes Clark, May 11, 2001

[bowens43]

58. So basically you're saying fuck the Constitution, international law

and our system of justice. This is why Clark will never get my vote. If this is what his supporters believe and he shares their values (or lack there of) then he is every bit as vile and despicable as the idiot. Sorry, I won't compromise basic civil liberties for a win.

[lastliberalintexas]

65. He said no such thing

He said he should be tried and actually found guilty before a sentence is handed down. Read the article- he even said that he is likely to be found guilty.

Understand our legal system or the international legal system AT ALL? Apparently not.

[bearfartinthewoods]

115. SAVE YOUR TIME...HE'S FLIPFLOPPED ALREADY LINK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php

[LuminousX]

116. What's funny is Dean is getting beat up in another thread for saying

as an American he supports the death penalty for Osama.

Can't win for losing when the opponents only want to push negatives.

[bearfartinthewoods]

117. he'll lose alright unless he learns to measure twice and cut once

these constant 'clarifications' are hard on his supporters, let alone, his chances.

[Scott Lee]

2. Oh my GOD...Dean believes in Due Process!

What horror is next? Civil rights?

Oh the HUMANITY!!!

[goobergunch]

23. LMAO!!! (n/t)

[ibegurpard]

35. Yeah, how un-American of him.

I really wish people could step back and think about what they're saying sometimes.

[batman]

50. heh heh

:)

[WillyT]

3. Dean: Paper, Scissors, Rock; Won't Commit !!!

:eyes:

[oasis]

17. If that's how you plan to canvas for Dean in the general you might as

well give up already. America will be asking the hard questions and they want serious answers.

[Scott Lee]

19. I trust Americans' sincere questions. I laugh at the frantic drivel

of many Clark supporters. There is a huge difference.

[eileen_d]

33. Many Clark supporters are sincere Americans

I know you may find that difficult to believe, and I'm not saying that I or any other Clark supporter on DU is a saint.

But underneath what you call the "frantic drivel" from Clark supporters are genuine concerns from sincere Americans about Dean's chances in the general election. This is the elephant in the room that some Dean supporters cannot deal with.

[Scott Lee]

40. Sadly, not proportionately reflected here at DU

I wish it were different, I really do. Clark is a better person than his supporters here reflect.

[November 2004]

42. I'm ABB, but the fact that so many

DU'ers believe bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 or, I guess, terrorism at all, is astounding to me.

(and I voted 3 times for Nader!)

[WillyT]

51. Well... We All Have Our Thoeries, And The Fact That The * Administration..

has been attempting to thwart the 9\11 Investigation at every turn, makes this loyal American want Bin Laden:

1.) CAPTURED ALIVE
2.) BROUGHT TO THE HAGUE (sp?)
3.) DEPOSED
4.) PUT ON TRIAL

And THEN... we can talk about conviction and sentencing!

But I want to squezze as much information out of Osama, BEFORE they shut him up permanently.

You???

:shrug:

[oasis]

37. I support anybody that I believe can uproot Bush out of the White House.

So far dean is not cutting it for me or Clark supporters. Maybe that's why they don't mind supporting someone who came late to the "party".

[WillyT]

5. Dean: THE One Out Of Five Dentists To Say NO To Crest Toothpaste !!!

:eyes:

[WillyT]

6. Dean: Boxers, Or Briefs ??? --- Won't Say !!!

:eyes:

[Scott Lee]

7. Dean eats quiet dinner - Citizens outraged!

[KaraokeKarlton]

8. And here a few weeks ago Dean was being accused of ignoring due process

and now some of the same people who freak out over Dean's partial support of the death penalty for individuals like Osama bin Laden are complaining because Dean doesn't think we should execute him without an actual *gasp* trial?

These silly attacks on Dean couldn't get any more inane. :eyes:

[blm]

9. Then why did Dean support the bombing of Afghanistan

if he thought that it should be a due process and law enforcement measure?

I always though it should be a law enforcement measure, but, I could have sworn Dean was for the bombing of Afghanistan and supported Bush 100% on that war?

Isn't there a disconnect in Dean's positions?

[wyldwolf]

11. What's more... Dean has a disconnect on how to even try bin Laden...

You might recall this exchange between Dean and Chris Matthews:

MATTHEWS: Who should try Osama bin Laden if we catch him? We or the World Court?

DEAN: I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I'm happy . . .

MATTHEWS: But who would you like to, if you were president of the United States, would you insist on trying him, since he was involved in blowing up the World Trade Center, or would you let the Hague do it?

DEAN: You know, the truth is it doesn't make a lot of difference to me as long as he is brought to justice. I think that's the critical part of that.

MATTHEWS: How about Saddam Hussein? Should we try him in criminal and execute him?

DEAN: Again, we are allowing the Bosnian war criminals to be tried at the International Court in the Hague. That suits me fine. As long as they're brought to justice and tried, and so far we haven't had to have that discussion because the president has not been able to find either one of them.

So Matthews asked Gov. Dean whether Osama bin Laden should be tried in the United States or by the World Court. For a presidential candidate, this is not a difficult question. It requires no long cogitation, no disquisitions about the role of international law from the Wilsonian perspective. It doesn't require any second-guessing. You say that bin Laden attacked America, and he deserves to be tried there by Americans.

That's what you say if you want to be president of the United States, anyway.

Said Howard Dean, in his standard tone of dismissive impatience: "I don't think it makes a lot of difference." Matthews repeated the question. And Dean said it again: "The truth is, it doesn't make a lot of difference."

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:knm8RFq-ExgJ:www.newhouse.com/archive/lileks120303.html+Howard+Dean+bin+Laden&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[HFishbine]

14. And the "disconnect" is where

exactly?

[Scott Lee]

43. somewhere there in the Defeat Dean Playbook....he's looking...

Let's give him a chance.

[blm]

49. The disconnect I see is that Dean supported bombing Afghanistan

and supported war on that nation, yet now he's trying to say that Bin Laden deserves due process of the law when Dean already sentenced Afghanis to be punished in war conditions for Bin Laden's crimes against this country.

[wyldwolf]

52. Dean doesn't think it matters where bin Laden gets tried...

... the Hague or the U.S.

Where do you think most Americans would like to see it happen?

[Scott Lee]

18. for the same reason your guy supported the invasion and occupation

of Iraq? Just wondering....

[wyldwolf]

21. Dean supported the Afghanistan invasion for the same reason you THINK..

the Iraq invasion was supported?

You either saying the Iraq invasion was justified or the Afghanistan invasion wasn't.

[Scott Lee]

41. Depends on who you ask. Kerry favored war and occupation.

And he doesn't have the nards to cop to it. Not really the hubris I expect from someone who wants to face Bushhole in the General.

[wyldwolf]

53. So did Dean...

he just wanted to wait a few more weeks.

[Scott Lee]

68. Incorrect. Howard Dean never favored an invasion and occupation

based upon the way BushCo did it. And he never wanted an occupation at all.

[wyldwolf]

76. "based on the way Bushco did it"

There is your qualifier.

Before it happenned, we didn't know how Bush was going to do it.

But Dean, besides wanting to wait 30-60 days, was all for the war.

[Scott Lee]

91. Dean has always been against this war as it came down.

And never said anything differently. This subject has been argued to death and the Dean detractors still wo't face the facts of it.

Not surprising, but tedious.

[blm]

81. Then why did he support a resolution that ALLOWED Bush

to make that determination?

Why do you call Kerry prowar when he disagreed with the WAY Bush did it, too?

[Scott Lee]

90. Because he "trusted the prez" at that time to make the right decision

Whereas Kerry, who was privy to a lot more intelligence info, trusted Bush and was taken.

I would bet that, had Howard Dean been in congress at the time, he'd have joined Kucinich in voting against IWR.

[blm]

96. No...he already said he would have voted Biden-Lugar

and I don't doubt that Dean as a longtime compromising centrist would have have voted along with the other centrists. Remember, he only shifted left last January. Before that he was still claiming the center.

[windansea]

97. Dean "trusted the prez"

without receiving the faulty intelligence data??

that's even worse!

[blm]

45. You can't answer simple questions about Dean, can you?

.

[wyldwolf]

54. No, he can't...

He has an amazing history of flipping things back to Clark when Dean gets cold busted on something.

Plus, I could tell you a lot more about Mr. Lee.

[Scott Lee]

69. Routinely. And that's what angers you.

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[Scott Lee]

92. Ad hominem's don't win points - I thought you'd have known that.

But facts do - facts that are in extremely short supply from the Clark camp.

[blm]

94. Nope. You rarely answer any questions directly.

.

[Scott Lee]

102. Give us some examples, if you please.

[windansea]

10. I think binny boy has already

received his due process...haven't seen him on TV lately

would hate to be his lawyer when they cue up his previous videos claiming responsibilty for blowing people up

[oasis]

39. Trippi hasn't had time to see videos of "Osama claiming responsibility" or

I'm sure Dr. Dean would have had something more "angry" to say about a "killer" whose face was on 10 million tee shirts and posters after 9/11.

[OrAnarch]

15. Why is this even an issue?

Whether they find him guilty before or after a trial, how does that effect jobs, education, health care, etc.? This is the most insignificant thing Ive ever read...especially in light of our consitution, which gaurentees due process to citizens (but not brown people).

[KittyWampus]

25. It's A Shame Dean Didn't Know It'd Be Beneficial To Try Osama In The Hague

maybe he's trying to make up for his lack of comprehension during the interview with Matthews.

[retyred]

28. As a Clark supporter and Innocent till proven guilty

believer, I find deans statement to be the correct response, but then again, I personally believe Osama is "NOT" responsible for 9/11.

Main stream America has found him guilty nonetheless, and that's who decides who gets the nod to DC.

After the anti-dean ad showing Osama that was found so despicable by some here on DU (because dems ran it), how is this statement going to make the ad content appear wrong? If he's willing to show softness for what America sees as the leader of terrorism, how will he not be depicted as soft on terrorism itself?

I don't know if it was a brave thing to say, or just another stupid foot in the mouth moment, but this statement alone could close the door to the Whitehouse come November should he become the nominee and open the door for four more years of hell that'll seem like eight.

If dean does get the nod, we are so screwed!


retyred in fla
“good night Paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[oasis]

46. Well said. Most DUers are not only fair minded, but realists as well.

[bowens43]

72. There are worse things then four more years of bush

and nullifying or ignoring the very foundation of our legal system is one of them. I'm not willing to do that.

[Monte Carlo]

31. I appreciate what Dean is saying, but this thing called 'politics'...

... complicates everything. This strikes me as the kind of thing you don't want to make poignant.

[lastliberalintexas]

67. Yeah

Heaven forbid that we stick to our principles and politics be damned. We wouldn't want to actually follow the rule of law if the majority of Americans are opposed to it, now would we? :eyes:

[Monte Carlo]

107. You have to choose your battles in Washington.

'Politics be damned' is a swell sentiment, but it doesn't always get things done.

[WillyT]

44. BTW - Is This Another Time Where Dean's Gonna Be In Trouble...

For being correct???

Kinda like the Saddam Captured\America Safer thingy.

Orange Alert anyone???

:shrug:

[oasis]

47. There's no trouble like Rove's $200,000,000 trouble. (n/t)

[WillyT]

60. True... But THAT Trouble Lies In Wait For Any Of Our People !!!

Maybe somebody could produce a Death Star\Karl Rove graphic, LOL.

:shrug:

[Scott Lee]

74. 87 billion + isn't going to buy us a secure Iraq

so what makes you think BuchCo's money alone will buy him the election?

[oasis]

80. A GOP ad which portrays an "angry" Dr. Dean not being so angry at Osama

is not beyond Rove's imagination. That'll take how much $$$ to produce?

[Scott Lee]

73. Or maybe he's *gasp* peaking again!

And lordy, we can't have that.

[bowens43]

55. Wow. A candidate who understands our system of justice!

A refreshing change.

[blm]

56. His system of justice was supporting the bombing of Afghanistan

to punish that nation for Bin Laden's crimes against this nation, and now claims to want due process for Bin Laden? You think that's a consistent view and understanding of our justice system?

[wyldwolf]

63. Here's more on Dean's sense of justice and the law

Dean chose not to reappoint Appel for a third four-year term as defender general, the state official who heads the state’s public defender program. In appointing Valerio, of Proctor, the new defender general, Dean had kind words for Appel. But Appel had clashed with Dean on numerous occasions in his efforts to secure for his office the resources necessary to fulfill his duties conscientiously.

Just two years ago Dean tried to prevent Appel from accepting a $150,000 federal grant aimed at assisting defendants with mental disabilities. For Dean to block a government agency from receiving federal money was unusual in itself. But Dean’s openly expressed bias against criminal defendants provided a partial explanation.

Dean has made no secret of his belief that the justice system gives all the breaks to defendants. Consequently, during the 1990s, state’s attorneys, police, and corrections all received budget increases vastly exceeding increases enjoyed by the defender general’s office. That meant the state’s attorneys were able to round up ever increasing numbers of criminal defendants, but the public defenders were not given comparable resources to respond.

http://rutlandherald.com/Archive/Articles/Article/31792

I was a public defender in Vermont during part of Dean's tenure. He was openly hostile to the defense function. He once addressed a meeting of defense attorneys by stating that "my job is to make your job as difficult as possible." He is a man of his word, at least on this campaign promise. He did not want to fund public defense.

To his credit he appointed Robert Appel to the post of Defender General (Public Defender in charge of the state system.) Then he refused to reappoint Appel apparently because Robert was most effective on the shoestring budget he was given.

http://www.talkleft.com/archives/003739.html

Dean said Wednesday he believed that the attacks (9/11) and their aftermath would “require a re-evaluation of the importance of some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be debates about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask for your ID just because you're walking down the street.”

Dean said he had not taken a position on these questions. Asked whether he meant that specific rights described in the Bill of Rights — the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution — would have to be trimmed, the governor said:

“I haven't gotten that far yet. I think that's unlikely, but I frankly haven't gotten that far. Again, I think that's a debate that we will have.”

(Vermont Law School Professor Michael Mello) said Thursday, “the civil liberties Dean seems to be talking about so blithely, that's exactly what makes us different from the murderers who committed these acts."

http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/33681.html

[Scott Lee]

70. Opinion hit pieces! How original.

However, reality does not bear you out.

[bowens43]

66. Nice try at clouding the issue.

The issue is whether or not a man has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Those who say they don't have that right are a detriment to our nation and deserve no further consideration.

[blm]

83. Dean's clouding the issue by supporting the bombing of a country

for the crimes of a murderer who he wants to deal with as a law enforcement measure.

The disconnect is Dean's, not mine. I was ALWAYS for 9-11 being treated like a law enforcement measure, not a WAR. like Dean did, and now what....he changed his mind?

[lastliberalintexas]

57. Well of course

we should try him and THEN hang him. :eyes:

Do you people even realize what you sound like? I'll tell you just in case you don't know- freepers. Heaven forbid that we actually have to convict someone before we punish them. And heaven forbid that the punishment should be determined in a court of law rather than public opinion. Heaven forbid we actually try to live up to the ideals for which America is supposed to stand and actually be governed by the rule of law. Heaven forbid that we actually provide due process to an accused. Is this how low we've sunk as a society?

Nuremberg, anyone? Even the Nazis were put on trial, without a guarantee of a certain sentence. Not all were sentenced to death, you know.

Dean didn't say that bin Laden is innocent or that the death penalty wouldn't be proper if he's found guilty, just that a trial would be proper. If your guy had said this you'd be touting his support of due process and constitutional ideals. Since Dean said it, however, it's used as just one more way to bash him. But thanks for reminding me why I've been away from DU for 3 weeks. See you in another 3 weeks. Maybe.


PS- If any of you live in the SE Texas area, please PM me. I want to know who I should be excluding from my juries during voir dire. After all, I don't want anyone who would be so closed minded as to actually pre-judge a case- esp one of such magnitude. :-) (yes, that was said mostly in jest- just trying to make you see how some of you are sounding)

[Forkboy]

71. Jumping Jesus on a pogostick

This is one of the lamest attempts to smear Dean we've seen yet....and we've seen a lot.The man supports due process and the Destroy Dean people try to spin that as a negative.

Fucking pathetic,it really is.

[bowens43]

75. It's unbelievable.

I'm just flabbergasted. For a minute there I thought that I was logged on to the evil site. Democrats have always supported freedom and civil rights, now it's being spun as a bad thing?

[Forkboy]

77. I truly wonder where these people's logic center is

They are either truly have no concept of justice or they just hate Dean somuch they'll use ANYTHING in a attempt to portray him in the most negative way possible.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

84. Let's have a "fair" trial and THEN hang him.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

86. Of course I'm talking about Michael Jackson....

...or YOU, someday.

[Hippo_Tron]

85. WHO CARES?

We don't even have BinLaden, why the hell does it matter how Dean would sentance him?

[janx]

87. Nobody's ready to sentence Bin Laden.

That would require finding him first, would it not? Wouldn't it be best to find the guy before anyone decides anything about penalties?

[oasis]

88. It's a pity that Dr. Dean's response wasn't as insightful as yours.

[janx]

100. It's just more "gotcha" politics on the part of the media.

Think about it: it's a pretty stupid question.

[Melinda]

89. And this is wrong exactly how?

Full position and quotes, in context:

Asked whether bin Laden should be tried in the United States and put to death, Dean told the Concord Monitor: "I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials."

In an interview with the New Hampshire newspaper for Friday editions, Dean added: "I'm sure that is the correct sentiment of most Americans, but I do think if you're running for president, or if you are president, it's best to say that the full range of penalties should be available. But it's not so great to prejudge the judicial system."

-end-

So pray tell exactly how is his position wrong? Does it circumvent justice? If so, how?

[killbotfactory]

93. It' 100% right...

but "mainstream" America is "too stupid" to get over their bloodlust to see it... at least according to the peanut gallery

[Scott Lee]

95. Melinda please stop asking for facts. It upsets many in the Clark camp.

[windansea]

104. here you go

Flip

Dean told the Concord Monitor: "I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is VERY LIKELY TO BE FOUND GUILTY"

and flop

"we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to PREJUDGE jury trials."


capitals added for emphasis

sorry couldn't resist...

[Melinda]

106. And that circumvents justice how?

How is Dr. Dean, when asked if OBL should be tried and EXECUTED in the USA, circumventing justice when he gives that opinion?

Can you affirmatively claim that a jury composed of US citizens would likely find Bin Laden's NOT guilty? Have you an opinion as to his guilt or innocence? Most Americans do - what's yours?

Is Dr. Dean wrong in declining to PERSONALLY adjudicate and pass sentence on OBL? Guantanamo Bay is full of people Bush* has done that too... is Bush correct? Should Dr. Dean be like Bush and PREJUDGE without due process and fairness under any laws?

[webkev]

98. that's wont appeal to the average American at all (nt)

[Scott Lee]

99. The Average American things the Bill of Rights is too commie.

So maybe we should try to elevate the discussion a little.

ON EDIT:

Let's put it another way - would you rather play to and be ruled by american ignorance, or educate our fellows?

[webkev]

109. howard dean

I want Dean to say true things that will evoke a positive response and the voting action desired. The truth can be presented in many different ways. You could say "Saddam's capture hasn't made us any safer" or you could say "Saddam's capture is a good thing however, while we were preoccupied in Iraq we've been unable to respond to developments in Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan and the reconstituting of al Qaeda which make the world a more dangerous place." Both of these are true.

The simple facts that Dean hasn't mastered are 1) How you say the truth matters and 2) Not every truth needs to be said

[webkev]

110. how I would have answered

"Yes, and I'm confident he'll get a fair trial and appropriate justice." Death penalty? "Yes, if that's what a jury recommends."

[robbedvoter]

101. His real whoper on this was a few days ago:

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aV.bac5BdSC0&refer=us
"It would be fantastic if Osama bin Laden were caught, and I hope he is,'' Dean said. "But I don't think that has anything to do with the political campaign.
'' I guess he's gonna find the answer to that one before OBL is even caught/pulled out .
Because I don't think the GOP convention is coming to NYC for the bagels!

[bearfartinthewoods]

105. what do ya know?? i agree with dean on something?

whodathunkit?

[Padraig18]

108. Innocent until proven guilty??? Forbid it, Almighty God!

:eyes:

[maddezmom]

111. don't know which interview was first the ABC or the AP but here is another

view from Dean on OBL.

<<"As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves," Dean told the AP in a phone interview. >>

much more:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/12/26/politics1852EST0615.DTL

[RevolutionStartsNow]

112. What's the problem here?

Dean says:

"I share the outrage of all Americans. Osama bin Laden has admitted that he is responsible for killing 3,000 Americans as well as scores of men, women and children around the world. This is the exactly the kind of case that the death penalty is meant for.

"When we capture Osama bin Laden, he will be brought to justice and treated in the same manner that President Bush is recommending for Saddam Hussein."

I doubt OBL will be captured alive. But if he is, he will be tried, convicted, and sentenced to death.

[robbedvoter]

113. Was ready to bomb him in the caves in July though. Loved W on terra:

Dean, July 2002 - MTP:
Russert plays clips of Gore and Kerry criticizing Bush on military strategy:
 MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the military operation in Afghanistan has been successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: Yes, I do, and I support the president in that military operation.
       
       MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: I've seen others criticize the president. I think it's very easy to second-guess the
       commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don't choose to engage in doing that.

[BootinUp]

114. I don't disagree strongly with

anything Dean said about Osama, but this article isn't going to help him. And he continues to claim sainthood on the Iraq War against the other candidates, that I do disagree with.