Notice the media has now COMPLETELY rehabilitated GHWBush and his gang

[blm]

and are treating them like they are the WISEST of the wise, and only they have the ability and the wisdom to deal with the seriousness of the problem that is Iraq.

Well - with so many Dems ceding all debate to Baker's panel, they are in effect AGREEING with the media portrayal of Poppy Bush and his henchmen, and that will MATTER come 2008 when the BFEE chooses who will be carrying THEIR water, yet again.

GHWBush and his gang should have been scorned and thrown in jail years ago, yet they are returning with more respect and more goodwill surrounding them than ever before - and they don't even care if Bushboy gets a spanking, they can hide him and adorn their next manifestation.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. Eh?

Who is "ceding all debate to Baker's panel," exactly?

[blm]

8. The Dem leadership who wants to wait for Baker panel before submitting

any more withdrawal plans.

Personally, I think Kerry-Feingold should be resubmitted the first day of a Dem senate. Especially since the senate DID pass a significant portion of it earlier this month.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. Do you have any evidence to back up your statement?

Which dems are waiting for the Baker panel? Do you have any evidence to support this?

[blm]

22. Jack Reed even said so on Hardball last night.

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[Vincardog]

2. GASP! The Corporate Controlled Media likes the radical right wing nutz!

Stop the presses. Now this is newz :think:

[sal paradise]

3. I agree that Baker and company are not

the great men that the media is portraying them to be. However, in contrast the the neoconservatives (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz), they are better suited to comment on the situation in Iraq and what is best to calm the problems growing there. Remember that these are the men who showed restraint in refusing to invade Baghdad and topple the Hussein regime in the first Gulf War. While these men arn't my favorite people in Washington, their pragmatic outlook on the world is a breath of fresh air in response to the strict ideological, good-versus-evil outlook of Bush jr. and the rest of the neocons. I believe it is worth giving them a listen, even if we do not not ultimately implement whatever plan of action they suggest.

[blm]

5. Pragmatic fascism can be just as lethal to democracy as Bushboy's blatant fascism.

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[sal paradise]

7. Touche'

but I will still take a realistic, pragmatic leader over a misguided ideologue, given those choices.

[KansDem]

15. So would I. But why does his name have to be "Bush?"

I can't believe these two thugs are the best the GOP can offer.

[blm]

17. The Bush Family Evil Empire started long before these two and will continue in

some form as long as Democratic presidents keep closing the books for them.

[ShrewdLiberal]

4. We can take something good from all of this crap...

Few believe anything the media says anymore.

The country has made up it's collective mind--Iraq is lost. The Dems victory proves that. Nothing the mass media of sycophants say or do will turn it around and save G.W. Fraud and his gang of criminals. The Evil Empire has fallen. They're stabing each other with knives.

[blm]

9. By rehabbing Poppy, though, it leaves them open for their next manifestation

and a friendlier, more persuasive face for the fascist agenda. And it is likely to be a Democrat from the coverup wing of the Democratic party.

[TankLV]

6. Moussilini WAS less oppressive than Hitler, after all...

same kind of comparision I guess...

[blm]

14. heh...yes, the sunnier face of fascism.

.

[blm]

10. ALERT: CNN polling high favorables for GHWBush

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/21/bush.poll /

Poll: More Americans prefer Bush's father

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Only one in four Americans believe President Bush is a better president than his father, George H. W. Bush, a new CNN poll has found.

Six in 10 said the elder Bush, who served one term from 1989-1993, did a better job in office, according to a poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Twelve percent said both were equally good or bad, and 2 percent offered no opinion.

The poll also found that 59 percent disapprove of President Bush's handling of his job; 38 percent approve of it.

The poll's release comes two weeks after President Bush and the GOP lost control of both houses in the midterm elections. In addition, two men associated with the elder Bush -- Robert Gates and James Baker -- have emerged with new roles.

[sandnsea]

11. Who proposed a 'wise man' panel & summit 3 years ago?

That included Baker and others who had done the most work in the ME? John Kerry, that's who.

When people are dying, results are what matters, no matter who brings the results about.

Although I agree, Clark and Kerry alone, could come up with a plan for Iraq. That's no need for the party to play this waiting in the wings game.

[blm]

12. There is no time to waste in starting to bring troops home now that CIVIL WAR in Iraq

is a reality and has been since the beginning of this year.

[sandnsea]

13. That's still where people are

People still want the US to attempt to resolve the political issues, even JK hasn't abandoned the idea of summits and talks. Redeploying to the periphery in order to remove the excuse of occupation, used by the warring parties, is key to that. Once we're off the front lines, we can see whether that helps or hurts, and make further decisions from there. America is not yet at the place of complete abandonment of Iraq.

[w4rma]

20. Remember that Republicans still control Congress until next year. We have no choice but to wait.(nt)

[KansDem]

16. Yes, we forget that GHW had to pardon six members of his administration...

...to save them from prison.

But wouldn't you love to have a beer with him???

[savemefromdumbya]

19. Remake remodel package (from Goebbels with love)

Just like the Nazis the media HAS to bend to the Fuehrer

[David Zephyr]

21. "Poor Georgie. We've picked on him and we once loved him so"

Yeah, I've noticed the "respect" that seems to be oozing for this jackass now by the media.

When he cuts and runs from Iraq, there will be serious voices in the media calling him brilliant, and complimenting his great knack for timing, and of course, the great size of his "victory".

Groan.