Another Con Job From the Neocons

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Another Con Job from the Neo-Cons

By WAYNE MADSEN


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Before becoming NATO Commander, Clark was the Director for Strategic Plans and Policy within the Joint Chiefs of Staff. From this vantage point, Clark was well aware of and likely supported the arming of the Bosnian government by accepting contributions from various deep-pocketed Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Malaysia, Brunei, Jordan, and Egypt. Via something called the Bosnia Defense Fund, these countries deposited millions of dollars into U.S. coffers to buy weapons for the Bosnians and train them in their use through the use of private military contractors like Military Professional Resources, Inc. (MPRI). And when some of the weapons and cash for the Bosnians became "unaccounted for," where did some of the guns and cash wind up? In the hands of Al Qaeda and Iranian Pasdaran (Revolutionary Guard) units in Bosnia.

More interestingly is how General Clark's Bosnia strategy ultimately goes full circle. According to Washington K Street sources, the law firm that established the Bosnia Defense Fund was none other than Feith and Zell, the firm of current Pentagon official and leading neo-con Douglas Feith. Feith's operation at Feith and Zell was assisted by his one-time boss and current member of Rumsfeld's Defense Policy Board, Richard Perle. Both Feith and Perle advised the Bosnian delegation during the 1995 Dayton Peace talks. The chief U.S. military negotiator in Dayton was Wesley Clark.

A long time ago, the French, tired of war, turned to a short general named Napoleon to lead them to peace and prosperity. Instead, Napoleon seized imperial power and ensured the French would have more war. After four years of Bush, the neo-con Fifth Column in the Democratic Party is trying to convince us that Clark is the "anti-war" candidate. Tell that to the people of Serbia, Kosovo, and Montenegro. Tell that to the coca farmer in Bolivia or Colombia who is trying to feed his family. Let's not fall for the deception and tricks of the neo-cons again. If you are tired of Bush, Cheney, and the neo-cons and their phony wars, Clark is certainly not the answer. He has been, and remains part of, the great deception of the American people.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen09182003.html

Did Wes Clark help arm Al Qaeda?


And just in case you forgot...Here's Wes commenting on his neocon "colleagues"...


Q: Of the people who are running this war, from Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld and Powell on down, in terms of the political appointees, are there are any who you particularly like who you would work with again, hypothetically, in some ...

Clark: I like all the people who are there. I've worked with them before. I was a White House Fellow in the Ford administration when Secretary Rumsfeld was White House chief of staff and later Secretary of Defense, and Dick Cheney was the deputy chief of staff at the White House and later the chief.

Paul Wolfowitz I've known for many, many years. Steve Hadley at the White House is an old friend. Doug Feith I worked with very intensively during the time we negotiated the Dayton Peace Agreement; he was representing the Bosnian Muslims then, along with Richard Perle. So I like these people a lot. They're not strangers. They're old colleagues.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/03/24/clark/index2.html

Gee...interesting comments. Votes for republicans, raises money for republicans, praises bush and other republicans...

Is Wes Clark really a Democrat?

Are you willing to take that chance?

Why settle for neocon lite when you can have the real thing?

[jmaier]

1. You're

doing a pretty good job of poisoning the well for me regarding your candidate. I've been doing some checking and I am having a hard time finding any recent posts that you've made that are not simply anti-Clark.

I prefer folks who are about something rather than only against something so, I'll just ignore these threads from now on because I don't want to let my feelings toward Howard Dean be driven by my reactions to a minority of his supporters here at DU.

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12. Vote for whom you wish.

Read what you want to here.

I can assure you my opinions about Clark are not driven by his supporters. Only his record. That's enough for me.

Keep checking, though.

[Jerseycoa]

2. I'm doing my best

to stay out of this trail of flames both sides have been leaving. It's getting hard, though. If all out war is what you want, you are bound to get it. Give the matter some thought, please.

[sfecap]

5. Where have you been?

YGTBSM!

Clark's supporters have been waging war here for weeks.

I'm just posting some interesting facts on the candidate. That's fair, right?

[Raven]

10. Red Herring.

Eeeeeek! Red Herring.

[jmaier]

11. would you like to

provide a vague guess as to how many times this particular issue has been raised as a thread, then argued both eloquently and childishly here in the past several weeks?

Ever hear of beating a dead horse ... or have you simply run out of negative ammunition so must recycle?

[sfecap]

17. I would suppose just as many times...

...as 90% of the anti Dean bullshit posted by certain Clark "supporters".

Of course, I didn't notice you whining about that, right?

[jmaier]

21. Not true

do a search on my user name and you'll find me saying similar things on some anti-Dean posts. Of course, I don't hit every post but I do get to many.

I chastise juvenile behavior with some regularity no matter who made the original post.

[Capn Sunshine]

22. So suspicous connections to neo-cons

and connections to the industry of war and armament sales, if we keep pointing this out, "it's beating a dead horse?

Well, hell, maybe that horse should stop getting up and towing the war wagon.

[BootinUp]

28. What suspicious connections?

He was doing his job. This is utter bullshit!

[Melodybe]

20. This does seem kinda flamey

I am a Dean supporter, but I like Clark too. And he seems like a good man, sure he may have said the things above but he was in the military and working for the guys at the time. I wouldn't really expect him to say that they were the devils, he took an oath to protect the President and the Constitution. i am sure he took that oath very seriously. My best friend's fiancee is a pilot in the air-force and to both mine and my friend's dismay, he said that he would willingly die to up hold the oath that he took. The boy is a Dem, BTW, and his parents are diehard liberals, his mom probably posts here for Christ's sake. Even if I dislike the Pres and the administration, he was doing his job. I can't and won't hold it against him.

This primary is by far the dirtiest I have witnessed, but then again I'm only in my mid twenties. I think that ALL of the candidates have skeletons in their closet, from Dean working with Enron while Gov. (to keep his state employed), to the TB case for Sharpton, to the IWR for Geppy and Kerry. I don't expect the nominee to be the second coming, that would just be setting myself up for disappointment. I am being realistic, with this and even though I disagree with plenty of the things that the candidates have said and done, any would be better than what we have now and I will be voting for the Dem in Nov. End of Story.

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. With friends like PNAC, who needs enemies?

People want to know WHY Dean is walking away from the competition?

Lieberman is backing the PNAC agenda. Kerry has some of them in his campaign. Clark says he "likes" these people.

If PNAC is what's wrong with the Bush Fraudministration - and only a complete idiot would say otherwise - then why in God's name would anybody want to vote for anyone who has any sort of relationship with, or like for, those Nazi fascist bastards?

[BootinUp]

9. Clark is an honest man

He knows how to separate policy mistakes from personal feelings. Read the Salon article your co-hort brutalized.

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14. Wes is an honest man.

Okay. I appreciate that.

So in this article he is honest about the fact that he likes some of the most rabid neocon thugs in the government.

Something to think about.

BTW, would we see Doug Feith or Richard Perle in a Clark administration?

[BootinUp]

18. Have your fun then

This is not a common sense question.

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. I didn't say anything about his honesty.

But the invasion of Iraq was not a "policy mistake". The only "mistake" PNAC made in Iraq was that their own arrogance led them to believe it would be a cakewalk and that they would be welcomed by the Iraqi people. Aside from that, the entire invasion went exactly as they had planned it, years before the pretext of a "war on terrorism" existed.

And since PNAC had been trying to implement their plans as far back as Poppy's administration in 1992 (he wisely turned them down, as did President Clinton), then it's hard for me to believe General Clark never had a clue what these lousy bastards agenda was. They weren't exactly quiet about it, with all the letters and publications now posted on the PNAC website. Yet in his 2001 appearance at the Republican fundraiser, he referred to this collection of fascists as a "good team" who "we need there" (in Washington DC).

Now I would hope that someone who is not only an "honest man", but also a 4 star general and former NATO commander, would have seen (as Bush Sr and Clinton did) that the PNAC agenda was a shitty idea from the start, and that he would have made an attempt to talk them out of it.

Has anyone asked General Clark why he didn't do that?

[BootinUp]

4. I like the headline from your second link

to the Salon article you took an out-of-context piece from:

Gen. Wesley Clark, unplugged
The war hero, CNN analyst and potential Democratic presidential candidate speaks frankly to Salon about the tragic turn in Iraq and how Bush bungled the case for war.
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By Jake Tapper
March 23, 2003

I don't waste my time with counterpunch, seen to many loony toons conspiracy stuff there.

[sfecap]

8. I like that headline, too.

Of course it wasn't too long ago that Wes was delighted enough to praise *'s handling of the war.

[BootinUp]

16. That's clearly wrong

I challenge you to show any evidence that Clark praised George W. Bush in regard to his handling of Iraq. Any complete reading of Clark's comments on Iraq will show that he is opposed to the policy and to the twisting of intelligence that was used to make the case for war.

He also praised the some of the tactics used by General Frank that resulted in a quick victory during the invasion, but at the same time expressed concern due to the lack of planning for the aftermath.

Is that what bothers you that he can intelligently discuss issues or are you just having fun twisting his words?

[wyldwolf]

6. Dean spent 11 years appeasing Republicans in VT.

[kixot]

7. Thanks for giving me something to think about.

n/t

[wndycty]

13. Well thanks to the original poster. . .

. . .for representing himself and his candidate so well. Just remember this wonderful day the next time someone has the inclination to say that all Clark supporters do is bash Dean.

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15. It really sucks when the tables are turned, huh?

Maybe 'ol Wes ain't what he seems to be?

[jmaier]

19. the tables are turned

here numerous times every day. Did you think perhaps you'e uncovered some innovative new strategy?

[wyldwolf]

24. Nah! See new articles critical of Dean's record and "foot-in-mouth"...

..disease are published around the country daily.

The only way this guy can divert from them is to repost old articles on Wesley Clark.

The only place the tables are turned is in his mind.

[TorchTheWitch]

23. 'ol Wes

happens to be the only candidate thus far who has openly bashed the PNAC.

[wndycty]

27. Natch

:kick:

[wndycty]

25. Oh he is authenic. . .

. . .now Governor Dean on the other hand, thats another story. Can you say Biden/Lugar? Can you say sealed documents? The list goes on. . .

[Moderator]

29. Locking....

This is inflammatory.


DU Moderator