Webb-Bush: There's More to the Story

[No Exit]

Background on Webb-Bush

A lot of people think Jim Webb may have overreacted to the President Bush when he asked about his son Jimmy at a recent White House function.

I've gotten a tip on the background to this confrontation, and it appears that Webb may have under reacted.

As President Bush is well aware, a couple of weeks before this dinner the tank riding next to Jimmy's in Iraq was under fire and three marines died.

My sources are telling me that the way President Bush approached Webb with his tone, it appeared he was asking the question of how Jimmy was doing in a mocking manner, while he was certainly aware of the tragedy that had hit his unit a few weeks earlier.

(snip)

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2006/11/nls_exclusive.html

This story is also discussed at:

http://www.firedoglake.com/

Is this true? Let's consider a little of what we know of Bush's reaction to other parents of servicemembers: several months ago, an article appeared in a military newspaper, concerning Bush's meeting with the mother of a soldier who'd been killed. I think parents of fallen servicemembers automatically get to meet with Our Leader for a few minutes. This mother was tearfully telling "Mr. President" what a wonderful person her son had been, and she ended by saying "He would've had a wonderful life." Whereupon Bush said to her, "How do you know he would've had a wonderful life?"

Heartwarming, wasn't it?

Considering this earlier account, it seems to me that the story of Bush asking Webb in a mocking tone "How's your son?" would be right in character. I believe the above account of the Webb-Bush conversation.

[MADem]

1. Jesus H. Christ... I can picture little Caligula doing a "please don't kill me"

Carla Faye Tucker style mocking routine on Webb. That little shit's only weapon is selfish sarcasm.

Man, what an asshole that Monkey is.

[Arugula Latte]

29. You said it...Bush is an asshole, plain and simple.

Never in our nation's history has such a blatant asshole inhabited 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[nolabels]

63. Something tells me it's going to get a lot more ugly

Gird the loins and check the nerves folks

[wake.up.america]

133. Just read the report from the below link. Hard to turn the cheek after such a rude remark.

How can anyone say this was not a viscous attack?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112801582_pf.html

[Larry Allen]

164. a thinly disguised mafia style threat

Your son's fate is in my hands. We both know that. Don't be a grieving parent. Tow the line.

[dpbrown]

111. He's a sociopath, and he wears it on his sleeve

From blowing up frogs to taunting soldiers' parents, this guy has no soul.

[femrap]

112. the soul of the devil....pure evil

[all.of.me]

129. exactly. no remorse.

[vkobaya]

115. Re: Bush is an asshole

Sigh! Now you've insulted assholes. All assholes that I've
ever known have been far better than Bush. Bush is Bandini
Mountain.

If you don't get it, Bandini was a manure company in S.
Califonria. Their TV commercials featured a mountain of manure
and some disgusting sports on that mountain.

[Straight Shooter]

131. *snort*

We've called him Bandar bush, now we can call him Bandini bush. Has a nice ring to it.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[John Gauger]

40. Wow, I didn't think it was possible.

I didn't think it was possible for Bush to be that heartless, this must be wrong, but the reminder of his actions towards Carla Faye Tucker made me reconsider. I mean, come on, even if you think the death penalty is legitimate, you can't excuse his actions towards her. She was asking him as a fellow Christian, she was 'Saved,' just like him. He could have said, "No, though it pains me, I must do my duty to my state as I see it." He fucking mocked her pleading. Wholly reprehensible. With that in mind, it seems plausible that he did the same to Senator Webb. He is a disgrace to our country and to human dignity itself.

[Sequoia]

53. She actually never said that.

That's what I read anyway. Also, remember when he had the painting of Martin Luther King, Jr. and said he couldn't wait to "hang it". He thinks he's so clever. Earth calling Thor, Earth calling Thor....Zzzap!

[BikeWriter]

110. Bush told a reporter what Karla said in an interview...

He later reported it in a major magazine.

[jgraz]

156. BTW, that reporter was Tucker Carlson, not exactly a left-wing Bush-hater

[colorado_ufo]

113. Watch for it.

You are very correct - he does this a LOT, more than the press ever seems to notice. He says many things coyly and carefully, almost daring to be caught in the truth. He laughs at his country, his people, and the world, with what he can get away with.

It is most interesting to review some of his past statements in context.

[mcg]

79. Who did Bush commute the death sentence for? Henry Lee Lucas,

the notorious serial killer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lee_Lucas

[jeff30997]

94. I didn't know he did that.

Well,he felt sympathy for a fellow psychopath isn't it?

[John Gauger]

97. I don't think that's it.

I don't think Bush feels sympathy for those not lucky enough to have a powerful father to conceal their crimes. I think that Bush took pleasure in executing people. I think he pardoned Lucas at the request of his Attorney General. Lucas was used as a patsy by the state of Texas to close cases that were posing difficulty for the state attorneys.

[John Gauger]

96. Yeah, I've read about that.

My theory is that someone close to Bush asked him to commute, like, say, his father. I have no idea why. It is important however to note that Lucas confessed to over 3000 murders. I don't find it likely that he murdered anybody. There is no evidence connecting him to any of the murders. I have a book called 'Everything You Know is Wrong' that contains an essay by journalist Brad Shellady. Shallady claims that Lucas was used as an excuse to stop investigating difficult cases by pinning them on him. Lucas claims that he killed his mother in self-defense, but they would not believe him. He was coercing into cofessing to that murder, but so he confessed to others as well. He was treated preferentially; the police rewarded him by taking him out to eat from time to time. They even went so far as to leave him completely unattented at an airport. Now that I think about, the request to pardon him probably came from the state Attorney General. Lucas was so useful as a demon that he was indespensable. An interesting insight into our justice system.

[mcg]

127. He's another article on Lucas

http://www.omnipelagos.com/entry?n=henry_Lee_Lucas

Sounds to me like he probably was a killer.

[vkobaya]

120. Re: Henry Lee Lucas,

Notorious serial killer!

Worse than Bush? 655,000, 2,870? How many died in Katrina?

[mcg]

124. I didn't say he worse or even as bad as Bush.

Good points though.

[Name removed]

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[LiberalFighter]

91. Only an immature adult (acting like a child) would use the tone

he did with Tucker.

He wants to ridicule and demean everyone. I bet he does it with his wife too.

[napi21]

2. It amazes meShrub hasn't been decked many times already!

I realize I would be arrested for assaulting the Prez, but if I would have been that mother, believe me,I would have dropped that AH to his knees!

Irespect Webb for having more control than I would have had.

[Raster]

60. Two words why bush* hasn't had the shit kicked out of him: Secret Service.

Something tells me there's probably one or two of them that wouldn't mind taking a swing or two at Little Lord Pissypants.

Note to Agent Mike and friends: I am in no way threatening the pResident nor advocating anyone threaten or harm the pResident. Conjecture only.

[LiberalFighter]

92. You think Secret Service might deck him if they knew bush numbnut

ridiculed them on a regular basis?

[Raster]

102. No. The Secret Service are consumate professionals and absolutely dedicated.

Their responsibilities and loyalties are to the OFFICE of the President of the United States. Charles Manson could be POTUS and the Secret Service would still give their lives to protect him. There is probably a goodly number of Agents that don't think very highly of bush* the person. I mean, come on, the man is an asshole.

[LiberalFighter]

130. Even professionals lose their cool. There are limits

In all likelihood they may have put in place safeguards to prevent such an outcome knowing the personality of this idiot. Such as rotating them in and out more often.

[pokercat999]

144. Well maybe, but when they are protecting an ass like

bush they might just hesitate, just a split second and that's all it would take.

[Kutjara]

103. Exactly. Shrub is the classic schoolyard bully...

...who's only brave when he has 'muscle' around to back him up. I wonder how sarcastic and condescending he would be without the SS watching his back. My guess is he'd piss himself at the first loud noise.

[JI7]

3. how the fuck can anyone say JIM WEBB was the one who overreacted

i mean WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ????????

even if Bush was not mocking in his original question , his reaction to Webb when WEbb told him he wants his son home was disgusting, shitty vile etc.

and thanks for showing the other times he has shown his hatred for the soldiers. fucking disgusting piece of shit. i really hate the motherfucker.

he laughs at the soldiers when they die.

[janetle]

84. I don't use language like this...

....but when is comes to Bush it is so completely descriptive and appropriate. It feels so good to call him...ok, here I go...a "fucking disgusting piece of shit." Yes!!

Wow! And I am a church going suburban middle aged woman.

[demigoddess]

85. I never cussed before Caligula came to power, and now I cuss every time

I see the idiot's face. And i am a fifty something grandma.

[calimary]

95. Truly. I'm far more foul-mouthed here about him than I was when I

started here. He just pisses me off more and more every day. I remember at one time being hesitant to let four-letter words fly, just for propriety's sake. And one time I posted how I would like to use THE four-letter word (besides "bush," that is) but didn't want to because I didn't want to go that far. Another DUer responded - "well, then, I'LL do it for you" followed by F-words screamed out in caps.

Now, of course, I'm so disgusted with him that I can let fly with the best of 'em. Hey, let's call him what he is: a little FUCK. A VERY little FUCK. Shrinking in stature by the hour.

FUCKER.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

123. I come from a long, rich history...

Of very creative use of epithets. I was a roadie in the music business, you see. We tend to use colorful turn of phrase, from time to time. When we aren't in our hotel rooms on nights off, drinking herbal tea and reading the Gideon's Bible that is so thoughtfully provided in every room. ;-)

That said, I have gotten away from using such words. It just doesn't go down well at the local food store, you see. "Gimme a fuckin' pound of that motherfuckin' ground chuck, asshole!", while pithy, doesn't get you great service at the butcher counter. Sadly. But in the case of Dear Leader, I am only good for two, maybe three acceptable sentences, before I lapse into my former evil ways, and proceed to use verbiage that causes Rustoleum to unbond from any nearby metal objects.

If Dear Leader was not Dear Leader, he would be a garden-variety jerkoff. Probably the local drunk that gets beat up a lot. Or the village idiot, wearing a Radio Shack fireman's helmet with a red light on the top, dragging a wagon around town behind himself and mumbling a lot.

[calimary]

128. Hey, so did I!

Maybe you were a roadie at some of the concerts I covered. :D

I remember a good rule established by a fellow female broadcaster - no swearing once you set foot in the booth. Wallow as much as you feel like in the newsroom or the program director's office or gossiping in the bar after hours or whatever. But once you were inside that on-air booth, you were clean as a whistle.

In our house, one of the main guidelines with the kids has always been - "if you act like a jerk, you're gonna be treated like a jerk." In bush's case, he acts like a jerk, so he's DESCRIBED as one. The best we can do as far as treating him like one came on November 7th, and hopefully, on the day he's IMPEACHED and REMOVED FROM OFFICE. And I'll STILL be hurling epithets at him, with all my heart.

[janetle]

154. Oh my gosh

your post made me laugh so hard--out loud by myself.

[jgraz]

158. Don't worry -- 50 years from now, all profanity will be replaced with the word "Bush"

Seriously, is there anything more obscene? Calling him a piece of shit is a poor metaphor since I would vastly prefer that an actual piece of shit serve as my representative to the rest of the world.

In fact...

HANKY 2008!

[NewJeffCT]

138. Does the truth ever stop the RW hit squad?

Look at what George Will wrote yesterday and compare to the actual exchange.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/11/30/8104/3048/231#231

Will also dropped the "Mr President" from Webb's response.

[PretzelWarrior]

4. he laughs at people of privilege who serve

because deep in his black heart he thinks, "your family must be stupid or not too well connected if they couldn't keep your boy out of Vietn-- I mean, Iraq"

WHile his daughters are hopscotching buck naked down the hallways of a swank hotel in Argentina (as the advance crew for Bush clan's flight to avoid extradition), Jim Webb's son is serving proudly.

Bush is, has been, and always will be a shallow little shit.

There will be a day of reckoning.

[No Exit]

19. Your post sums it up very well!

[Ilsa]

30. Is it possible to nom a post? Yours is it for me today. Thanks nt

[oasis]

31. Well said.(eom)

[Virginian]

5. Gee, until I read this...

I was thinking the old WWII expression, "Loose lips sink ships."

Anything a Dem tells Dubya will get to the wrong ears and put a person in unnecessary danger. (think Plame)

[Syrinx]

6. K&R

What a sadistic creep that sadistic creep is!

[democrank]

7. No matter what else happened

Bush`s...."That`s not what I asked you"....was a cold, heartless response to Webb`s saying he wanted his son home.

[connecticut yankee]

66. Who said he had a heart?

[stanwyck]

73. I agree. Bush's response was rude.

The smartass "that's not what I asked you" was inappropriate. A more astute person would have responded: "Yes. We all want our troops home. We just need to work together to find out how we're going to bring them home. And when."
But not Bush. He had to be arrogant and act the tough cowboy.
That act is tired by now.
Bush is a jigsaw missing a few crucial pieces.

[izzie]

8. Something about it all smells wrong but we do have this

Barbara and her comments so we know that some how some things that get to most people tend to fly right over the Bush's family heads.

[grasswire]

9. this was my take on Bush's state of mind

Because Webb had dinged Bush a few times in the campaign, I assumed that Bush asked him about his son just to taunt him. Like "I sent your son over there to that hellhole, you sucker." Bush went for the sore spot and rubbed salt in it.

That's just the way he is. A sadist.

I think he's got a real problem with Webb.

[BlackVelvet04]

20. I'm sure he has a real problem with Webb...

if no other reason that he beat bush's boy macacca allen. Allen has been nothing but a rubber stamper and cheerleader for bush.

[Lasher]

137. Webb's was the final Senate victory that gave us the majority

While it is untrue to say that any one Democratic pickup gave us control of the Senate, Webb's was the last one called, and arguably the least likely. I'm sure even Junior can grasp the significance.

[BlackVelvet04]

149. I stayed up most of the night waiting for it to be

called. I stood out in the rain on election day handing out Webb literature at the polls.

I've heard his book Born Fighting is really good. I need to read it as I have Scot-Irish ancestry.

[Lasher]

163. I'm real proud of you VA Democrats

Webb never had a chance but won anyway. I was a poll junkie for almost a year before the midterms, foolishly hoping we might take control of the Senate. A couple of months ago I thought our best bet for pickup number six would be Tennessee, but then Publicans played the race card. Then here came Webb, who gained a lead in the polls for the first time just before election day. What a roller coaster!

[davidwparker]

42. Webb is the man * will never be.

[cassiepriam]

10. Sociopaths have no feelings of empathy, some can fake it however.

Bush doesn't even bother to pretend. He has never had to be nice
to people to get what he wants. He has used his status, wealth and
intimidation to do that. He has never had to develop any social skills.

And yes I think he is sadistic.
He likes hurting others.
I think btw that he has enjoyed the bloodshed and torture.
He may well be getting off on it.

[The Wizard]

67. Just remember

where the Chain Saw Massacre took place.

[area51]

167. Er...

The person the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie was based on was Ed Gein, and he wasn't a Texan.

Link 1

Link 2

[Hepburn]

11. You know, I would call Bush a prick for doing that, but...

...a prick is a useful object and Bush isn't.

What a rotten bastard of a thing to do to a parent who has a child on the front lines in combat ~~ and even more so considering that the parent is a combat vet and the speaker is an AWOL deserter.

What a sick, sore loser and nothing of a person that asshole is. I am so disgusted about what he did, words fail me.

:mad:

I just feel so sorry for Jim Webb that Chimpy did this to him in an official setting while being POTUS and that Webb could not have decked the chickenhawk coward across the freaking room. To say something like that in a mocking tone to a parent who has a child whose life is in danger ~~ that must have been like a punch to the gut for Webb. He loves his child and obviously has a lot of concerns like any parent in his situation would. And....there are Chimpy's slutty daughters drunk and partying when Chimpy says that and like I said, it came out of the mouth of a chickenhawk AWOL deserter.

The whole incident is totally disgusting re Bush's less than appropriate conduct.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

15. A prick is natural and genuine. The only thing W could be is a dildo

nm

[waiting for hope]

41. Hey!

Sometimes that can be a girl's best friend!:evilgrin:

I would go with TURD.

[DinahMoeHum]

47. But even a turd has a useful purpose, such as fertilizer.

so what word can we use instead ????

:evilgrin:

[John Gauger]

49. Metaphors fail.

Nothing can properly describe what Bush is. We just don't have words for it. I mean, we can start with degenerate, but that doesn't begin to cover it.

[kestrel91316]

65. He is a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

[RaleighNCDUer]

86. Well, there you are. He will become the metaphor for future

wastes of oxygen. If there is nothing that he can be compared to, he becomes the comparison for the next generation, like Hitler and Atilla and Bluebeard.

Now, THERE's a legacy...

[peacetalksforall]

118. I just end up use creature or inhuman. I don't want to demean

a reptile or animal or insect. Whether creature or inhuman, he's a juvenile one and as unclever as any political figure we've ever had to tolerate. It's going to be an interesting two years (or less). Have you ever imagined what his departure from the White House will be like?

They told us with a tone of derision that they were going to bring honor and integrity to the WH.

[badgerpup]

64. Dunsel?

For you young 'uns and non-Trek fans...
this was a term applied to something that had no purpose, whether through obsolescence, or was just plain useless to begin with.

Yep, it was quite the insult when applied to somebody...Captain I'm all that, a bag of chips, AND a bowl of nacho dip James Kirk...

[daveskilt]

88. He is a pimple - annoying, ugly, useless and full of nasty crap.

Bush = zit on the ass of humanity.

[Ian David]

12. I think being mocked is minor compared to Bush's implied threat

Bush could have the kid's unit re-assigned to anywhere he wanted.

Or even subjected to "accidental" friendly fire.

[No Exit]

18. That's what I was thinking, too!

The fact that Shrub took so much notice of the son would've made my blood run cold, if I'd been Webb.

It almost reminds me of an early scene in the first "Godfather" movie: Clemenza and other hit-men of the Corleone family have just come back from taking some guy named Paoli for a ride. In order to see if they've accomplished the "hit", Sonny Corleone casually asks them, "How's Paoli?" Clemenza, wishing to tell Corleone that the boss's "hit" had been accomplished, says cheefully, "Oh--Paoli--won't see him no more!"

[John Gauger]

48. Wow, that's a scary thought.

I didn't really see it in his statement, but I suppose it's possibly in there. I would have thought it more up Cheney's alley, though. He was behind Plamegate. I don't think Bush is the one who takes that kind of revenge. We do know, however, this his administration does attack family members as retribution. However outlandish the possibility seems, I guess it is still a possibility.

If I remember correctly, his name was spelled "Paulie" in the book. He was the one who was supposed to be the Don's bodyguard. He was paid off by Sollozzo to call in sick the day of the attempted hit against the Don. I think the guy who assisted Clemenza in killing Paulie was a rising star in Clemenza's network named Roscoe. That was a great book. It spoke a lot about power - many times the author discusses the ways in which politicians and corporations act like organized crime. In the book, Michael's statement that "in five years the Corleone family will be completely legitimate" was truthful: his father had showed him the ways in which corporations keep their crimes entirely within the law, with the intention that some day his children would not be thought of as criminals, but captains of industry.

It's actually startlingly similar to the way in which the Bush dynasty handles itself. I don't know if this threat is present in Bush's statement, but it's certainly a scary possibility.

[The Wizard]

69. Many great fortunes

started with a crime.

[Morgana LaFey]

21. Bingo

Implied -- or actual -- threat

[merci_me]

26. Agreed.....................

we need to let the bastard know, the whole world is watching.


Godspeed, Jimmy Webb and company.

[The Wizard]

70. The whole world is watching

1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. When Mayor Daly's goon squad assaulted demonstrators the onlookers started chanting "The whole world is watching." It was part of the Chicago Transit Authority's LP in 1969.
People should start doing it when ever there's an anti Bush demonstration threatened by the constabulary

[merci_me]

109. I remember it well.

I get chills just thinking about it.


Another refrain.....When Jim Rhodes was re-elected governor in Ohio, following Kent State, most of the people gathered around the Capitol grounds for the swearing in seemed to be there for the many Democrats being sworn in for most every other statewide position. The way the grounds are set up, it takes up a city block, with walkways coming in from the four corners.

As Rhodes was speaking, he was quickly drowned out by a group of anti-war protesters marching from the corners toward the temporary stage, shouting "BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT". It was so great to be standing among the many dressed up, invited guests (for the other office holders), who quickly joined the chant and it reverberated off the surrounding buildings. Even the cops were at a loss, since they could have gone after the "rabblerousers", but what about the rest off us, there with our various printed invitations?

[mzteris]

52. unfortunately, those were my thoughts.

If I were Mr. Webb I'd be doing everything in my power to get my son out of there.

[Ian David]

151. That's one argument in favor of the so-called "Champagne Units."

If you're serving in Congress, and your child is serving in the military, can you always vote your conscience when The President has the power to torment or kill your kid if you step out of line?

"Senator Stevens wants to build that bridge in Alaska, and we're counting on your vote. Now, I know you have a problem with the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere,", but I want you to reconsider. Hey, how's your boy? Be a shame if something happened to him."

[OzarkDem]

105. I read it the same way

Having been around some of these corporate sociopaths before, it definitely sounded like he was using a sly but innocuous sounding remark to make a threat. These guys love to use their power to bully others and Bush is very vindictive. He'll hold the grudge against Webb and others for a very long time.

[colorado_ufo]

114. Pat Tillman?

[NewJeffCT]

139. that was my thought as well

yikes.

[Ian David]

150. Stephanie Miller brought that up today on her show

She compared it to Tony Soprano asking about your family.

[NewJeffCT]

153. great analogy

Stephanie is terrific - smart, entertaining, funny, liberal and great on radio. And, way better looking than the RW horde on the radio (not that that is a hard feat to achieve)

[spillthebeans]

165. Reminds me a bit of Sgrena-Calipari

[Catchawave]

13. Bush should know better....

He may have even put Webb's son's safety at risk.

[Dinger]

14. K & R & Send This To george fuckhead will

absolutely unbelievable.

[mnhtnbb]

45. George Will's spin here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112901267.html

[scarface2004]

62. that s it!!

send g will to irak immediately so he can have his pansy smarmy ass blown off now!!

[OnyxCollie]

126. What a douche.

Nice of George Will to conveniently leave out Chimpy's snide "That's not what I asked you."

[Virginia Dare]

16. I had not heard this story...

and I still think Webb under reacted, this just solidifies my opinion.

What a fucking evil piece of shit he is.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. I completely doubt Bush knew about the tank fight and casualties

and even if he did, I doubt he knew that Webb's son was anywhere near it. This is after all the most incurious dolt ever to occupy 1600.
That being said, Bush was completely out of line in asking Webb a second time about his son, and I am sure there was at least some malice on Bush's part in his original query. My only regret is that Webb did not relpy the 2nd time:

"If you really care so damned much, why don't you put your boots on and go over there and find out for yourself"

[Morgana LaFey]

22. Naive

Rove -- and by extension Bush -- know everything sbout key opponents

[Burried News]

27. You bet they do ... it is how they rule. nt

[colorado_ufo]

116. Yep - doesn't have to read a single paper.

[Supersedeas]

24. Webb knew and showed so much more class by not confronting the Frat Boy

[davidwparker]

43. I heard on Countdown last night that Webb tried to avoid *, but *

sought him out.

[civildisoBDence]

50. DUHbya is the frat boy from hell

What about when he was asked about the number of civilian casualties in Iraq and glibly repied, "30,000, give or take."

It's hard not to hope for the worst for Bush...

Newsprism

[connecticut yankee]

68. and don't forget

they're only a "comma" in history.

[quiet.american]

23. Yes, and remember his jolly "So, who we honorin' here today" to a grieving mother? n/t

[nxylas]

55. And, lest we forget

"What's with the sunglasses?"

[Eurobabe]

25. Asshat is clearly clueless, always has been, always will be

I can't wait until we remove this national embarrassment.

[Arkana]

28. I didn't blame Webb for wanting to knock Junior's teeth down his throat

before, but now I wish he had. The little fucker needs to be taught a lesson in manners.

[Hawkowl]

32. Impeachment Inevitable

Impeachment may well be inevitable with this evil ass clown. I believe he is truly evil and the only reason he's gotten this far has been with the active complicity of the corporate media. Shrub says malevolent shit like this all the time and it is only now that it is getting air play. He'd sacrifice the entire country for his own purposes. He is indeed a modern Caligula or Nero. And it truly is terrifying to imagine Caligula with nuclear weapons. Well, the winds have shifted and he no longer has the power of a rubber stamp congress, the wealthy money men who aren't oil industry or defense contractor executives, or their corporate media minions.

I believe this administration is going to implode at an accelerating pace. The media, the money men, and the people will become so terrified there will be no choice but to impeach this bastard out of mere sense of self preservation. The rest of the country is about to catch up to us canaries in the coal mine.

[truedelphi]

36. I hope the shift is major but if Bush is screwn for good

And soon impeached, then what?

Captains of industry will still ride high. There may be a more pleasant captain of industry at the helm, but the rowers will still be rowin' down in the dark and stank smelling pit of the boat's filthy hull.

And while they be rowing, they be answering their cell phones for a call from some Pakistani on why they haven't kept currrent with their Citibank card.

[happydreams]

33. Bush does not have "warm" talks with anyone, much less his enemies

(read: democrats)

[Coaster City]

34. Webb was Wrong because he should have said...........

He would be having a lot more fun if he was in Argentina running around getting drunk with a couple of American Sluts! I wonder if captain cod piece would be able to comprehend what Webb was talking about or would it escape him? Anyway, for some reason, I think Webb's son is a more dignified person than that but it would have been funny.

[saracat]

35. In response to those (on that site) who say Bush wouldn't have known

I was just speaking to a recent "congressional" elect who told me he was "shocked" at how much Rove and Bush both knew about him. He said they knew things most constituents don't know and it was almost scary. To quote him"Rove runs a well oiled machine and is thorough". So anyone believing Bush didn't "know" about the son of a Senator _Elect is just stupid.Bush is a sick man and Webb was justified in his reaction.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

38. Wiretaps, intercepted emails and general "opposition research"

I'd put nothing past SmirkCo in terms of down and dirty politics.

If they would only put 10% of that energy into policy matters....

[LongTomH]

37. The POTUS is a POS

And the media are suggesting that Webb overreacted?

Just like, when John Kerry makes a gaffe, it's repeated on the evening noose for weeks, and if Dubya doesn't drool on himself too much, they say he's brilliant!:grr:

[whistle]

39. Just one more piece of evidence of Dubya character flaws as a

....certyified sociopath

[Catchawave]

46. Lack of compassion ?

The Not Larry Sabato website broke the Macaca story, it's a good source :)

[mnhtnbb]

44. Before Bush leaves office, I hope somebody has the balls to tell him to his face,

with witnesses who will talk, what a completely classlass, unempathic, lying, evil, worthless POS he is. God, what wouldn't you pay to be a fly on the wall for that confrontation?

[Straight Shooter]

51. When Webb is president, he's going to open all your "secret" papers, bush.

Revenge is a dish which is best served cold. Ice cold, like bush's heart.

[Uncle Joe]

54. Semper Fi, Senator Webb

:patriot: I want your son home soon too, take care and keep the faith.

Thanks for posting No Exit

Kicked and recommended

[BeliQueen]

56. Guarded Optimism

When I voted for Webb, I gritted my teeth and said, "It's for the good of the nation. It doesn't matter if you don't like him and if his past with Reagan gives you the willies. Just touch the screen and move on."

The fact that Webb is willing to go toe-to-toe with Bush the way I would go toe-to-toe with him if I had the chance, makes me feel a lot better about my vote.

I hope he keeps it up and gives the Dems what they so desperately need--the courage to stand up for what's right.

[warrens]

57. I wish Webb had flattened the punk

Then kicked his head with his son's boots.

[katty]

58. that was my first thought-bush, mean and nasty

[Infinite Hope]

59. IM comments:

Me: "This mother was tearfully telling "Mr. President" what a wonderful person her son had been, and she ended by saying "He would've had a wonderful life." Whereupon Bush said to her, "How do you know he would've had a wonderful life?"
Me: I question whether Bush would have said that.
Me: unless it came out wrong
Me: like if he were asking "what would have made his life wonderful....what was he planning to do in life?"...actually trying to find out about him
Me: but he would not have asked that insultingly. I don't believe that for a second

I tend to be extremely biased against Bush especially on Iraq as my brother nearly died after being shot uncountable times just over a year ago. The U.S. gov't didn't provide adequate armor. Luckily the Governor of Minnesota had done so in one of the only positive acts he's made in his tenure. My brother escaped with shrapnel and a bullet all through his arm and a vest full of bullets. Another soldier in his humvee was shot in the face, but survived. But even given that, he would not have made an insulting comment to a mother. Even IF he felt that way, which I do not believe, he would not have said it because he'd not have made those thoughts known to the face of the mother.

[sweetpotato]

83. Is your avatar a picture of you?

You must be Jesus if you can give * that much of the benefit of the doubt after watching 6 years of his social missteps.

[colorado_ufo]

122. You have a great heart, and do not lose it.

But we all sometimes err when we project ourselves onto others. Please understand that * is not you, does not think like you, and does not feel things in the same way that you do. He does not share your perspective. He does not share your morals. He not only does not forgive as you do, but instead has demonstrated, on countless occasions, not only his inability to forgive and his incapacity for a semblance of grace, but also vindictiveness as a major personality trait.

I have seen not a single instance of his grieving over ANYTHING at any time. Contrast with with the memorable photos of a John F. Kennedy, agonizing over his most profound decisions.

The most genteel defense one could make of *'s remarks to Webb would be that he is someone completely lacking in manners, sensitivity, and common sense. I hope that you can accept this and reconcile it with your brother's horrible experience.

[Infinite Hope]

168. I agree with your last line.

Normally, I'd agree that he was being an asshole. But that quote was a bit extreme and I think it was a case of him speaking before thinking.

But a whole new dynamic is that he lost his sister at a young age and they went about their life without talking about her nor what happened. It could be (and is likely) that he is desensitized to death which is apparent in the war. So he focuses on the non-emotional aspects without regard to the emotional side of the issue because he's effectively become immune to death in most cases.

[donkeyotay]

61. Wonder what kind of response Caligula expected

"He's doing fine, Sir. Enjoying his stay in Iraq. So kind of you to ask, Mr. President."

People think Webb overreacted to this snearing little shit's insincere inquiry? How the fuck to you think he's doing? The preznit better keep him safe or payback from President Webb is going to be a bitch.

[cui bono]

71. The fact that Bush would even ask that in casual conversation

to someone he doesn't know is insensitive to say the least. Especially when he doesn't give a damn what the answer is.

[Broken Top]

117. Bush-Webb

Well, look how Bush has treated Cindy Sheehan? Then, remember
the incident of his mockingly looking under furniture
searching for WMD to the laughter and amusement of the
brainwashed, fawning media. The Webb episode is classic Shrub.
No empathy, no class, no conscience, no common sense,
absolutely devoid of any resemblence of a normal person. The
man is beyond despicable. As one post said, "he's a waste
of oxygen."  I can't wait for 2009 and hope to never see
his stupid, smirking mug again. He's a true piece of toxic
sludge. He should be in The Hague as a war criminal and
sentenced to life in prison.
 Broken Top

[Oldtimeralso]

119. "he's a waste of oxygen."

No, a waste of skin.

[freefall]

143. Hear! Hear! You nailed it, Broken Top!!!!

[cui bono]

162. And when in prison

he should be made to sit in the corner with a dunce cap on.

[Black Adder]

72. Who are these people??

"A lot of people think Jim Webb may have overreacted...."
Like who?? Rush Limblow or InsHannity??
Who gives a crap what "a lot of people" think..:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[daveskilt]

108. love the avatar and name

So what's the cunning plan?


also welcome to DU!

:toast: :hi:

[The Wizard]

146. A lot of people

think George Will is a great blow job. OK Mister Will, deny it.

[rich4468]

74. Sorry if I'm being obtuse here but...

...how does one ask "How's your boy?" in a mocking manner?

[FuzzySlippers]

76. Have you never actually heard the Chimperor speak?

He says EVERYTHING in a cocky, condescending manner.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

81. Is that you, George Will?

Kinda like that.

[Maat]

82. That's easy ...

it lies in the sarcastic tone of the voice. Enjoy your time here, rich4468.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

98. Apology accepted.

Now imagine if O.J. Simpson asked it of Ron Goldman.

[Ken Burch]

75. "How do you know he would've had a wonderful life"?

Ohhhh....Holyyyyyy....Livingggggg...FUUUCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :puke: :crazy: :wtf: :banghead:

[OzarkDem]

107. More like

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[lies and propaganda]

77. I didnt need any more details

to know he was being a smug motherfucker to him, while his daughters tramp around on vacay.

[peacetalksforall]

121. I wonder if there are twin female soldiers serving in Iraq? nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

78. It took insensitive dolts to elect an insensitive dolt.

[TankLV]

80. I especially noticed how the repuke defenders of this WAR CRIMINAL still refuse to believe that

bunkerboy is anything BUT an asshole -

some of their comments are simply astounding - especially in light of ALL THE COUNTLESS EXAMPLES where we KNOW w is an utter and complete uncaring ASSHOLE!

GOD DAMN THESE REPUKES TO HELL AND THEIR LAME DEFENSE OF bunkerboy...

[lumberjack_jeff]

87. Don't doubt it: "how's your kid? heh heh heh"

The rest of my reaction to this story would violate the rules.

[GETPLANING]

89. When George Bush dies and appears at the Gates of Heaven,

he will be met by a throng of American soldiers, Iraqi civilians, all led by Karla Faye Tucker, who will kick his ass back down the stairs.

[niyad]

93. I am pretty sure that when this completely useless waste of skin and oxygen does finally

shuffle off this mortal coil, the direction he will be going isn't UP!!

[The Wizard]

147. more likely

food for worms

[mnhtnbb]

99. No, no, he will be required to attend Jimmy Carter's Sunday School class--for eternity

[westerebus]

90. Proof positive that stupid is as stupid does...

Mr. President,when you take a cheap shot at a serving Marine who's dad happens to be a senator and a veteran Marine, you might want to look around. Those young men and women in the dress blues guarding the White House are all MARINES. The pilots of your helicopter are MARINES. The escort gunships are manned by Marines. The band and honor guard are MARINES.

TO ERROR IS HUMAN. TO FORGIVE DIVINE. NEITHER IS MARINE CORPS POLICY.

[Sydnie]

100. He didn't ask "How's your son" , he asked "How's your BOY".

That is enough to have pissed me off right there. This young MAN is at WAR and as such, shouldn't be referred to as your BOY. How demeaning that was. And he didn't stop at saying it once, he repeated it.

Webb gave him the correct answer ... although "Screw You" would have worked for me too.

[OzarkDem]

101. * is a sick, twisted excuse for a human being

May he some day burn in hell.

[kerstin]

104. The Boy King

is a brain-damaged alcoholic with the moral development of a two-year-old.

God save us all.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

106. Just goes to show you that imbeciles can show cynicism too

I used to think that in order to be truly evil one had to have at least average intelligence. GW Bush has proved my premise wrong.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

125. If this is anywhere close to the truth......

...it's time for immediate impeachment. His disdain and contempt for our men and women he uses as pawns is treason, pure and simple.

[Johnny Appleseed]

132. What a dick (nt)

[pdurod1]

134. I agree with Rangel: Send the Bush twins

he didn't say that verbatim but I think that was the message he was conveying...

[Old and In the Way]

135. Bush is an emotionally stunted man.

He knows he's a failure and he just doesn't care.

[NewJeffCT]

140. Is Larry Sabato a credible source?

I have no idea. I don't doubt for a minute that Bush was an ass, but I'd rather it came from somebody I knew as reliable.

[Norquist Nemesis]

157. From everything I've seen and read, he's very highly respected

Can't say I've seen anything that questions his credibility. :shrug:

[NewJeffCT]

159. thanks

Just want to make sure it's not another "Capitol Hill Blue" or Newsmax.

[meowomon]

141. Our Sociopathic Prez

[Ganja Ninja]

142. What a monumental asshole.

I think he represents his supporters quite well because anybody that still supports him has to be an asshole.

[liberal hypnotist]

145. A sad story!

George is a boy of privledge. He has never had to account for his personailty deficits. This guy represents our country, wow! Glad to see Webb stand in tough.

[Postman]

148. No weapons under here....Remember THAT stunt this asswipe pulled?

..at the White House correspondents dinner a few years back?

Other people's death from his asinine policies are a joke to this asshole.

[KansDem]

152. Don't forget the "so who are we honoring here?' remark he made to Cindy Sheehan

SHEEHAN: It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, "So who are we honoring here?" He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him "him" or "he." He called him "your loved one."

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...

Juan Cole

[IWantAChange]

155. The Boy King is a vindictive Christian - a very scary combination

[Mr Bojangles]

160. Anyone else notice this?

From the WaPo link posted above (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112801582_pf.html):

-----------------------------
"How's your boy?" Bush asked, referring to Webb's son, a Marine serving in Iraq.

"I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President," Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.

"That's not what I asked you," Bush said. "How's your boy?"
-----------------------------

I don't know if this holds true for military families, but it seems that he feels that all the soldiers are his children. It could have been a mistake, but I'd like to think that it wasn't.

[a la izquierda]

161. effin' bastard. n/t

[Imagevision]

166. Anyone still doubt Bush's mental problems?? sick fu*k...