NY Post/ The Real Kerry

[shance]

This is from the New York Post (consider the source***)

however, you can read and make a conclusion for yourself.

I myself have a real hard time believing the "Do you know who I am" bit. Kerry wouldnt pull that in my opinion.

The other however, is up for grabs.



<<ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry stories. The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a common theme: our junior senator pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line, demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill arrives.


The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"

And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress.

Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6 million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed by the city of Boston at his behest.

The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later claimed the decision was made on septic, not social, considerations). >>






http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/17337.htm

[eileen_d]

1. This has been posted here before.

And it will be posted here again.

Thanks for your insightful commentary on this brilliant piece of literature.

[shance]

2. Lol!* Touchee Eileen.....

I did not know this had been posted. I apologize.

I appreciate the reply (albeit I sense a little sarchasm*) and yet I can only say this candidacy concerns me greatly, as it does all of us.

I have seen a candidate tarred and feathered because of a yell at a rally, which we now know was essentially dubbed audio (or atleast isolated to produce a fake result).

We have a candidate here with Kerry who seems to have a few more issues in the background than previously known, including some of the issues with those of the opposite sex, of which I dont know enough to elaborate. I think it merits some looking, as I would with Howard Dean or anyone else. It also may be that those situations are unfair territory to explore. I think this article deals with the issue of overall respect, or perhaps lack thereof by a man who lives a priveleged life. My two cents.

I want a candidate I can feel comfortable about. Yes, this is a rather trashy commentary from the Post, and yet could it give a little insight towards someone we are thinking of electing as our presidential candidate.

[girl gone mad]

4. Shhhh!

No one here wants to hear anything bad about John Kerry.

John Kerry is our new Saviour. Why do you hate Democracy? Kerry may not be perfect, but George Bush kills kittens and is conspiring to let al Qaeda set off dirty bombs in all of our major cities. If you don't jump on the bandwagon, the end times will come. Only John Kerry can save us now.

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[eileen_d]

24. It's fun to characterize Kerry supporters, isn't it?

I know who I am, and I am not representative of all Kerry supporters. I consider myself more of a Kerry defender, and Kerry is not the only candidate I have defended on this board.

I have never dished out slime from other publications against another candidate; I have only shared my own opinions, which are my own. Prove me wrong.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

14. I bet

If the NY Post prints a poll showing Kerry with 80% or an article titled "Dean goes mad and foams at the mouth" then sudenly it's not a rag anymore but a credible source of "News". Funny how that works!

[eileen_d]

23. No, the NY Post is not a credible source on Dean either.

I wonder how you got that impression from my post, as I implied no such thing.

The NY Post is toilet paper. If they did a Dean hit piece, I'd think it was BS too.

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[seaglass]

17. Would you use a rant from Rush to back up your opinion?

It's the same thing as using a column from Howie Carr.

[shance]

22. I agree that this article is probably over the top, and yet.

it does say some things that concern me about someone who will most likely become our candidate.

Namely, using his position to avoid having to deal with situations that us "ordinary" Americans have to deal with everyday.

To me it shows someone who is not connected with Americans at large, but rather appears to see himself above us.

Maybe this is not the case. I hope it is not because he may wind up being our candidate.

BTW, who is Howie Carr?

[Casablanca]

27. Which way would Kerry supporters want to have it? ...

1. Posting this story here now so that Dems of all colors can discuss its merits or lack of, and using the discussion to refine our decision for a candidate.

2. Having this story promoted by the Rove media machine when it's too late to refine our decision for a candidate?

Kerry supporters can't just depend on poll numbers and the bandwagon effect to defend their candidate for them. If they can't field these kinds of articles with anything more than "Heeeard it!", that doesn't bode well for their candidate's chances in the general election.

[seaglass]

29. I only speak for myself.

This is the third time the article has been posted.

I know who Howie Carr is and as far as I'm concerned this is equal to someone dragging in a post from freerepublic and wanting to engage in debate about it. Worthwhile for you maybe, not for me.

[seaglass]

28. He's the Boston Rush. He's cruel, if you had ever heard

his radio show you'd be ashamed that you posted his slime here.

[oasis]

9. posted here yesterday even.

[Casablanca]

26. Good, it should be posted here again ...

Your snide inferences aside, if this brilliant article is true, why shouldn't on-the-fence voters know about it?

I certainly would like to know something more about him than his war record and self-fulfilling prophecies about "electability".

[tishaLA]

3. LOL. What can you say?

I'm gald Rupert Murdoch bought the newspaper so he can keep giving us these bon mots. Good for him. I hate those breaking-in-line, pay-nothing, duck-out-on-the bill senators.

If Rupert thinks this is worthwhile, tell him to call me so I can tell him some stuff about Arlen Specter and his wife.

[Jack_Dawson]

5. I've heard some very unfortunate things about Senator Kerry

and who he is "in real life". But since they are anecdotal and I have no "link" I'll refrain from posting because it will be labeled as "inflammatory."

On a good note, I do respect that he volunteered to go to Vietnam.

Peace,

JD

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. How about a piece on the " real bush"

[shance]

12. Fair enough.

n/t

[bywho4who]

8. Bone Boyz

Bush&Kerry same fabric both old$$$$$ boneboyz.
Mainstream media news is the death of democracy&Howard Dean's campaign ,DJK's campaign. Democracy is history. Greed is the new world order. and there ain't jack any of us can do about it. Do ya want me to tell ya how i really feel :shrug:


:smoke: :hippie:

[oasis]

10. Here's how I feel about S&B.

:tinfoilhat:

[Eloriel]

13. Oh yes he would, Shance

pull the "do you know who I am" bit.

[shance]

21. You think?

I dont know. Seems a bit over the top for me.

But in reality, who knows? Nothing really surprises me anymore.

[Donkey007]

15. For some ppl. this just adds another tic to the list...

[Loonman]

16. She never invited Ski-Bum Dean to Aspen?

Horrors!

[Monte Carlo]

18. This Howie "Rush Jr." Carr article has been posted here several times.

... and I'll say what I've said again - it is a hash of every little gossipy, sleazy, and flat-out false little talking point against John Kerry for the past 20 years. The article's purpose is to bring them to the national attention for GOP consumption.

[Deansspecialinterest]

30. If you're tired of seeing it on these boards...

...just wait until Kerry wins the nomination. I agree that this looks and feels very much like the typical arch-conservative hatchet job, which makes me think we'll be hearing a lot more of this, and from more mainstream news. I have no idea whether or not any of this is true (a friend of mine from Boston had already told me the fire hydrant story), but this shows how they're going to go after Kerry. Don't think that because this columnist is easily dismissed/ignored, that the story will be. I have really mixed feelings about the fact that it has shown up so often on these boards. On the one hand, I hate to see us Democrats tearing into each other like this, but on the other hand, when a very large part of Kerry's support is coming from the fact that people perceive him as the most electable, it's important to take an article like this into consideration.

Just to clarify (in advance): Any of the Democratic candidates will face this level of public derision and character assassination. The script will change, but the spirit will be the same. I just question the notion that Kerry is indestructible. I don't think he is. If Kerry's positions, policy, beliefs, record, etc. appeal to you the most, then you should absolutely vote for him. If that isn't the case, though, find the candidate who does, and vote for him. We'll deal with the slings and arrows down the road, but none of us can pretend to know what attack will resonate most strongly with voters.

[shawmut]

19. Howie Carr?

Our own version of Ann Coulter here in Boston. I closed the page as soon as I saw the name.

[DancingBear]

25. Howie Carr is a despicable pig

on Boston radio (680?), who unfortunately has a pretty big audience. I hold him in the lowest esteem one can hold a human being, but I think the swine has hit somewhat of a nerve.

Kerry has the dreaded "eliteist' problem, whether you care to acknowledge it or not. Expect much more of this in the future. Will it work? I don't know - may only be regional in nature (ask anyone in western MA what they think of Kerry - then duck). Personally speaking, I'd give it 60/40 that it will - to some degree.

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