Looks like Kerry supporters paid for Osama ad (unknowingly)

[KaraokeKarlton]

Unknowingly, I'm sure. One of Kerry's main fundraisers paid for a very large chunk of that offensive Osama Ad. It's all spelled out here, through research done by someone from Bartcop:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=302068&mesg_id=302068

I started a new thread because I'm certain there are many Kerry supporters who will take offense to this happening. You should know about this. I don't know if Kerry supporters can find out whether or not their contribution went towards this ad or not, but if you can, you should write to Kerry's campaign and complain about this. This thread is NOT intended to blast or blame Kerry supporters in any way because I honestly believe this was done without the knowledge of those who gave the money. I just want to make sure you are aware of this so you can complain about it if you are so inclined.

[blm]

1. Kerry's campaign denounced the ad when it first came out.

He had nothing to do with it, and playing the guilt by association card is just politics of morons bereft of real evidence and best left to the Republicans who are much more expert at it.

[Walt Starr]

2. It's not good enough for me

He must denounce the Toricelli organization now and refuse funding from it before I will buy the contrition.

[Octafish]

4. Kerry's done more to fight terrorism than just about anybody.

Funny how fast his critics will pounce on him. I wonder why?

[Name removed]

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[Octafish]

10. I appreciate your kind words.

Look up BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International). It’s a veritable blueprint to international terror, narcotics and criminality. FYI: It involves many members of the Bush Organized Crime Family.

As far as telling you what to do or whom to support, show me where I have – even ONCE – told a Duer what to do. You won’t find it.

[ShimokitaJer]

11. Okay, I'll bite

What, exactly, does the BCCI have to do with the issue at hand, or with your thinly veiled suggestion that those who attack Kerry are somehow supporting terrorism? The sponsors of the Osama ad were using fear of terrorism as a weapon against Dean, much as Bush used it as a weapon against Democratic values, and I am denouncing your post as of the same ilk.

And you can play all the semantic tricks with your own personal "seventeen words" all you like -- how can you possibly say that suggesting disloyalty on the part of Kerry's critics is not tantamount to "telling what to do or whom to support?"

[Octafish]

12. You made the accusation. You back it up.

All I said was Kerry has done more to investigate terrorism than just about anybody.

BTW: Are you angry Trippi took a big cut of Dean's money? Just asking.

[ShimokitaJer]

16. Dude, you aren't making any sense at all

Issue: Kerry's complicity in the Osama ad

Your response: Suggestion that questioning of Kerry implied support of terrorism
Your response#2: Suggestion of involvement of the BCCI
Your response#3: Demand that I back up some accusation you seem to think I made, plus (and I'm not sure how it got in here) a snipe about Trippi stealing Dean's money that was debunked in the LA Times today.

You're going to have to step it up a bit to qualify as a Kerry-level bullshitter. At this rate, you're going to end up just one more stooge he has to deny affiliation with in order to keep pretending to own the high moral ground.

[Walt Starr]

13. What does this have to do with the issue at hand?

The issue is false and misleading ads about Dean linking him to bin Laden funded by the same people funding Kerry.

If he was truly contrite about the ads, he would refuse funding from said organization. so long as he continues to accept money from the Toricelli fund, I can only assume John Kerry supports the bin Laden ads and refuse to give him my vote.

[Octafish]

15. The ads seem to smear Kerry, if anyone.

It's my intent to make clear that Kerry is a Democrat who is strong on defense and counter-terrorism. As far as I know, he's never said anything negative regarding Dean's position on bin Laden.

[Walt Starr]

18. He didn't have to

The BS ads did that for him! Why would he appear negative when his connection to those ads wouldn't come out for weeks?

I cannot trust this man after this. For me to still hold my nose and cast a Kerry vote on November 2nd, he needs to denounce the Toricelli organization.

[mikehiggins]

24. And Kerry played innocent while Gephardt swung for it.

Wonder how Dick feels about that endorsement now?

Unless, of course, he knew all along.

Oh, those Senators! What a bunch of wild and crazy jokers!

[Eloriel]

14. By voting for IWR??

[Octafish]

17. Sandy Berger said there was an Iraq problem in 1998.

So, after 9-11, Kerry must've been open to what Condescenda had to say.

What would Dean do?

[dsc]

3. Do you have a link

because I sure don't recall that. What I do recall is a group of progressive bloggers begging both he and Gephardt to do so and being faced with silence.

[ShimokitaJer]

6. "guilt by association card"

You mean like condemning Dean for actions taken by Trippi during Mondale's campaign twenty years ago?

"He had nothing to do with it" -- That seems a rather odd statement given the evidence. Is Kerry not responsible for how his campaign funds are used? It may be true that Kerry condemned it, just as he condemned the actions taken by his "overzealous" supporter who must have acted completely independently in the Iowa push polling. That doesn not change their effect, nor does that condemnation alone constitute "proof" that he was not involved, except in the minds of the blindest Kerry supporters... so I guess you qualify.

You've been spinning this from the beginning, demanding "proof" for the allegations of foul play by Kerry's campaign. Why are you so eager to accept the flimsiest excuses from the Kerry campaign and so unwilling to look at the burden of evidence? Kerry is running a dirty dirty dirty campaign, and it's time his supporters acknowledged that their money is playing a part in it.

[dsc]

7. Is it?

I don't recall any condemnation.

[blm]

22. That wasn't Kerry's money being used for those ads. Why claim it is?

Why are you saying it's Kerry's campaign funds?

I attacked Trippi for who he is. A ruthless con artist. I attack Dean for who he is - A corporatists and centrist who coopted the language of angry internet message boards to troll support from the left.

[redqueen]

5. If true I would find this not the least bit surprising

But who am I to criticize the party's new messiah? :shrug:

[ibegurpard]

9. What surprises me

is that anyone could even FEIGN surprise at this.

[Nicholas_J]

19. AS usual

There is nothing in this article that links Kerry to this event at all.

It links Torcelli for Senate's campign to it and nothing more. The money from Torcelli';s campaign can in no way shape of form be given to another campaign to support it.

[ibegurpard]

20. Torricelli helped fund that ad

And he's raising money for Kerry in New Jersey. At BEST it's a coincidence that should cause Kerry to disavow his association with Torricelli.

[Capn Sunshine]

21. My observations

What I've seen in this primary, the shenanigans that go on at the party level vote counting, the stolen signs, the actual demeanor of the workers I have come across thus far: This is endemic of the entire Kerry campaign: win at all costs and damn the consequences. In that sense he will be a very worthy opponent for the Bush administration.

[Raya]

23. Kerry has run a CLEAN CAMPAIGN. Look at this board and source of SLIME

and shady information will be obvious.

[mikehiggins]

25. You really believe Kerry has run a "clean" campaign?

Wanna buy a bridge?

[ShimokitaJer]

26. capitalization can not replace debate

Perhaps evidence of this CLEAN CAMPAIGN could be offered by Kerry in the form of a denunciation of Torricelli and a disassociation of himself from Torricelli's fundraising activities? Then maybe we'll get a sense of where the SLIME is really coming from.

Did you have anything productive to say, or do you just want to capitalize something else?

[dionysus]

27. lol

lolololololololololol X 100

[Moderator]

28. dupe

Please continue the discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=302068&mesg_id=302068


Thank you


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