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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:13 PM
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Christian employer loses lawsuit because he doesn't understand the Constitution
Huntsville, Alabama. A federal jury has awarded a Huntsville woman $115,000 after finding she was fired for not discussing her relationship with God with a Doctor. The medical clinic office manager said Dr Dean Willis told her he was concerned about her performance because he did not know WHERE SHE STOOD WITH GOD. The plaintiff told the doctor that her relationship with God was her business. The jury returned the verdict 20 December after deliberating two hours.

15 thousand bucks for mental anquish and a hundred thousand in punitive damages (seems a little low to me.)

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:14 PM
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1. more than his malpractice premium.
good for the justice system.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:14 PM
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2. not the constitution
The Civil Rights Act.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:18 PM
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9. Its such a shame
that documents such as the constitution and the Civil Rights Acts exist to prevent "christians" from forcing their religious beliefs on others and codifying the bible. No wonder they say they are being persecuted. :sarcasm:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:14 PM
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3. That seems very low to me
especially if there's any chance she's been "blacklisted" locally over this.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:14 PM
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4. link?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:16 PM
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6. Read it in
The Religion section of the New Orleans Times Picayune www.nola.com. The Saturday 30 December 2006 edition.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:17 PM
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8. thanx!
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:15 PM
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5. Unbelievable ...
un-fucking-believable.

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shrdlu Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:17 PM
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7. delete
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 02:19 PM by shrdlu
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:21 PM
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10. Thats nice to hear
The amount of punitive damages does seem low to me too, but, as it stands, its still a pretty significant win against the radical religious right.

One of the most insidious things the religious wingnuts have been doing in recent years is to people their companies with "believers" at the exclusion of non-believers. Not only is this illegal but makes NO business sense whatsoever.

I'm very glad to hear someone finally took one of them to task, and the LAW carried the day.

Good for her!

-chef-
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:29 PM
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11. It really was
a heartwarming story so to speak. I wonder if he is guided by JAMA or the Bible when "doctoring."
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:51 PM
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12. Good to know there's one jury in Alabama that understands freedom.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:59 PM
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13. Judge Roy Moore would've ruled the other way . . . n/t
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 03:52 PM
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14. Thats why he's not a Judge anymore.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:08 PM
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15. link to H'ville Times story ... HOLY CRAP ... talk about abuse ...
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 04:14 PM by eppur_se_muova
http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news/1167214830194330.xml?huntsvilletimes?nlocal&coll=1

In court filings, Arnston argued that Hall was terminated for poor job performance.

Hall was hired by the clinic as an insurance specialist in July 2002 but was quickly promoted to insurance supervisor and then office manager, Saxon said. At the time of her firing in February 2004, she was making about $37,000 a year, he said.

In her complaint, Hall said Willis led a daily prayer meeting for employees at the Whitesport Drive medical office. She said the sessions, which lasted up to an hour, were held in a small chapel with stained-glass windows that is part of the business.

Hall said she felt that Willis expected her to attend the prayer meetings. The lawsuit says she went occasionally in an effort to "appease" the doctor.

Saxon said Hall believes in God and attends church. But he said she felt uncomfortable talking with Willis about her religious preferences.

on edit: Thanks to BOSSHOGG for airing this!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:24 PM
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16. Proud to serve teammate
I'll take advantage of every opportunity to expose domestic enemies of the constitution. And in this veterans head and heart radical "christian" zealots in this country are most definitely domestic enemies of our constitution. Ironic though that they scarf up any and every constitutional liberty for themselves.
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Mikey929 Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:25 PM
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17. Excellent!
Excellent result! One should not have to declare one's love for God at work upon penalty of firing or demotion. I thought that was just common sense nowadays.

One picky point -- the Constitution does not apply in this case. That only appies to GOVERNMENT conduct, not private citizens. Sorry, that's just the lawyer in me. It's a civil rights issue.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:36 PM
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20. Lawyers up to their necks in cement
what's wrong with that picture? No enough cement.

Thanks Mikey, I love you guys. I worked security in the Navy and had to deal with the legal beagles almost every day. Life with them was indeed a circus.
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Pragmatic Pilgrim Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:25 PM
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18. Saw a great quote the other day:
I've forgotten the precise circumstances, but it was a Senator or Congressman speaking to a government regulator who was advocating support for some gospel-based idea. He said, "Ms. ___________, it seems to me you put your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You didn't put your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

I loved it!!!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:34 PM
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19. I humbly draw
your attention to my signature line.
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Pragmatic Pilgrim Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 05:17 PM
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22. Saw it, Bosshog, but after I had posted. Seems like
great minds (yours and the Congressman's) think alike!

It's an elegant way to make a powerful point!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 05:26 PM
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23. Dupe - Please delete
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 05:27 PM by BOSSHOG
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 05:26 PM
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24. Dupe - Please delete
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 05:28 PM by BOSSHOG
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 05:26 PM
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25. Great to have you with us Pilgrim
Allow me to offer a belated welcome. I'm not sure how great my mind is but I tend to know the difference between right and wrong and know exactly where my freedom comes from. It sure as hell doesn't come from Leviticus.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 05:14 PM
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21. That happened right here in MD. That's Jamin Raskin in the excerpt ...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/raskin.asp

"As I read Biblical principles, marriage was intended, ordained and started by God — that is my belief," said. "For me, this is an issue solely based on religious principals ."

Raskin shot back that the Bible was also used to uphold now-outlawed statutes banning interracial marriage, and that the constitution should instead be lawmakers' guiding principle.

"People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; they don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible," he said.

Some in the room applauded, which led committee chairman Sen. Brian E. Frosh, a Democrat from Montgomery County, to call for order. "This isn't a football game," he said.
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