Hillary predicting Obama will FADE during the 08 campaign

[bigdarryl]

Oh really. hey Hillary somebody forgot to tell you Edwards is more of a threat than Obama. I see the Clinton opposition research going in overdrive during the campaign.she's talking about Obama's lack of experience hey Hillary what fucking experience do you have to run for President.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/washington/03cnd-clinton.html?hp&ex=1167886800&en=efef067c40560e2e&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[Superman Returns]

1. Obama and Edwards

are the targets because they both can't be controlled.

[WI_DEM]

2. While I disagree with what she says about Obama

she does have more experience than many people. As First Lady for 8-years she had a close up view at how the presidency works and she was also an activist First Lady who dealt with policy. She has also been a US Senator since 2000 from, arguably, the most influential state in the country. Now don't take my above comments as an endorsement of Hillary because they aren't, but you can't dismiss her as having no experience.

[bigdarryl]

13. Being first lady doesn't make you qualified to be President plus...

what kind of woman stays with a lying cheating husband who cheated with a 21 year old anyway. plus all Obama needs to doto put the experience debate to rest once and for all is during a Presidential debate with Hillary is turn to her and say Mrs. Clinton your judgment as a Senator is lacking to say the least you voted hook line and sinker for this war when i disapproved it and told people it would be a mess and we now are in a mess so where is you experience in judgement Senator. end of discussion.

[Adelante]

31. Oh, come off it

"what kind of woman stays with a lying cheating husband who cheated with a 21 year old" :eyes:

[Eric J in MN]

39. In terms of experience, Hillary Clinton practiced law,

...helped investigate Watergate as a Congressional aide, lived in the White House for 8 years, and will have been a Senator for 8 years at the time of the next election.

I'm a Dennis Kucinich supporter, but I admit that Hillary Clinton has experience.

[IndianaGreen]

42. Do you really want to bring up Hillary's sting at the Rose Law firm?

Be careful what you wish for...

[Eric J in MN]

47. Why not, because of the bogus Whitewater scandal? NT

NT

[DemBones DemBones]

43. Please. be accurate . .

Monica was 22 and a half, NOT 21. The RW media, Chris Matthews being one of the worst, sells the idea that she was "only 21," though that still makes her an adult.

Should Bill have been fooling around with Monica, or anybody? Of course not.

But it really is between Hillary and Bill to deal with his infidelities. I don't support Hillary for president at all but I don't hold it against her that she stayed married to Bill. Jackie Kennedy stayed married to Jack, a serial adulterer, and no one ever says she should have divorced him.

[marmar]

3. And she might right along with him.

Lest she forget, she peaked first.

[Placebo]

4. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

#1 - Hillary is never quoted in this article "saying" anything

#2 - It's like one line of the WHOLE thing

[ElizabethDC]

7. Too true

The media is really enjoying pitting Barack and Hillary against each other, and of course it's getting blown out of proportion.

[ElizabethDC]

5. I agree with her on this one

Obama doesn't have enough experience yet, though I think he will be a great candidate in a few years' time. As for experience, Hillary has already been in the senate for 6 years (that's three times as long as Obama), plus she lived in the White House for eight years, and was effectively the president's closest adviser.

[Placebo]

8. Not to mention, the media (and his opponents) could tarnish Obama fast.

All of his past free discussion of his drug use and "iffy" religious views. Not to mention he's a smoker. And he's never been tested on a national scale before.

I'm just SAYIN'.

[ElizabethDC]

30. I agree 100% (n/t)

[MrModerate]

6. Interesting . . . the link didn't say diddly about Clinton opining . . .

on Obama's longevity as a candidate. Did you just make that up?

And as for her experience, let's see -- 15 years as advisor to one of the great policticians of our age, 8 years in the White House as a "Senior Aide" (at the very least), 6 years in the Senate, reelection by a tsunami . . . seems like experience to me.

In actual fact, I'm not much of a Hillary fan because I think she's overcautious in a way that could cause her to stumble as president. But she's sure as shootin' qualified to run.

[BushOut06]

9. Relax - it's primary season, candidates are going to take potshots at each other

I don't really see this as a shot, but we should expect to see things get more intense as the year goes by. Clinton, Obama, Edwards, and all other candidates are going to try to stand out from the pack, and convince us why THEY should be our party's nominee.

Over the next year, take everything you hear or see with a grain of salt.

[elizm]

16. Then SHE fired the first shot...

Let the record show that Hillary fired the first shot. Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't heard any of the other democratic candidates take a shot at Hillary yet. My best guess is that John Edwards never will. We will see about Obama, but I doubt it...doesn't seem in his character either....Only Hillary's. I will never vote for her, period.

[Placebo]

18. HILLARY. HASN'T. SAID. ANYTHING.

Show me a quote from her bashing any of the democratic candidates for president. I defy you to find one. The last time she even mentioned Obama was on the TODAY show (to discuss the re-release of her book 'It Takes a Village') and she only had GLOWING PRAISE for him.

[elizm]

19. So someone on her loyal staff is just leaking????

I am sure that 'opinion' would not have been mentioned in the article without her approval. Maybe she should spend less time on strategizing about her opponent's short comings and try to figure out what to do about her own....I'm just sayin'.

[Kagemusha]

10. With all due respect to Hillary supporters here...

Her foreign affairs experience consists of voting for the Iraq war and hugging Israel like environmentalists hug trees. Her primary governance experience that voters will recall is... HillaryCare. She may be able to pull off the illusion of experience but, if she starts arguing that being married to Bill Clinton while he was Governor of Arkansas and President of the United States, is governmental and foreign affairs experience, this could get ugly.

[Old and In the Way]

14. "HillaryCare"...wasn't that the Republican label they gave universal health care?

Too bad that it didn't get passed....and too bad that Democrats use Republican labels to denigrate a program that would have benefited us all.

[Kagemusha]

15. I have nothing against supporters of a single payer model.

...Which Hillary's plan was not, or so I am told.

But I'd rather use the term (HillaryCare) here in a rhetorical fashion while it's almost two full years away from the next presidential election than have people talk up Hillary Clinton's political experience when the experience she is best known for was a political disaster of the first order, whatever the specific benefits of the plan. If Hillary's going to cite experience, we should at least recall in fairness to the candidates she is implicitly maligning by stating that not all of that experience, was good.

[Old and In the Way]

21. Political disaster? Only because the Republicans made it one.

Again, the idea of universal health care was a great idea...the details could certainly have been debated and changed in Congress...but Republicans never wanted any part of this. They made sure it became the disaster and labeled it HillaryCare as a way to dismiss it.

[Kagemusha]

22. And we should ignore the Republicans' success in this why?

Hillary's "experience" in this matter is not encouraging to me, sorry.

[Old and In the Way]

25. Well, they were sucessful with you.

They got you to use the term "HillaryCare".

[Old and In the Way]

11. You sound outraged bigdarryl.

Do you really think Hillary would talk up her competition? While I won't vote for Hillary in the primary, I think she knows Obama's achille's heel and it is his inexperience. What legislation has he gotten passed? What national offices has he held other than a single term in the Senate? What campaign experiences has he had? He's an unknown quantity and while that may be advantageous to an extent, it will also be quite easy to distort by the RNC Wurlitzer. As far as Hillary's experience, I think 8 years in the WH as Bill's co-counsel counts for something. Bill certainly gives Hillary a lot of credit for his success...shouldn't you?

[Placebo]

Hillary hasn't SAID anything bad about Obama!

The last time she mentioned him in public was on the TODAY show where she only had glowing things to say.

[Old and In the Way]

17. I believe you....I didn't bother to read the OP's link.

I've seen enough of Hillary to know she's got a lot more class than she's being given credit for. If she had made a comment about Obama, it would shock me, though. I expect anyone running in the primaries for POTUS will be downplaying their opponents chances/capabilities while uptalking why they should be the people's choice. I hope we are all smart enough to understand the differences between primary campaigns and the GE.

[Kagemusha]

20. No, it was the old anonymous 'people from inside the camp' game.

It would be crude for Hillary to have to put out her own propaganda personally. It's not how these things are done, so to speak.

[Old and In the Way]

24. That's not what the OP implies

I quote "Hillary predicting Obama will FADE during the 08 campaign" Now, maybe it was leaked or maybe someone is lying about what she said....I don't know, neither does bigdarryl, and neither do you. But even if she said it, so what? If they both run for the job, there's going to be plenty of negative things being said about all the candidates, both directly and indirectly, by all of the candidates running.

Personally, I think the prediction is pretty innocuous....is Hillary not entitled to her opinion that Obama will fade, if, in fact she said it? Sure she is. If Obama says Hillary has too much baggage to win, he's entitled to that opinion too. This is the Presidential sweepstakes, not a beauty pageant. The winner is going to be roughed up and he/she best be able to give as well as take...because you know the Republicans are going to playing for keeps in the GE.

[Kagemusha]

28. If you want to debate with me talk out of only one side of your mouth please

And since I'm not going to have a discussion over whether the basis of the discussion is even valid in the first place, I'm letting this drop here and now.

[kimmerspixelated]

12. I'm friggin tired of Hilary

Enuf already. The B---ch needs to STAY a senator, and by the way, we have a LOT of really big things happening now we should attend to!!

[Timmy5835]

23. I love all this lack of experience crap

How much EXPERIENCE did Bush have?????

[IndianaGreen]

34. The Bush regime had the most experience of any previous government

Former Secretary of Defense Cheney was now Vice-President. Former Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Powell was now Secretary of Defense. Former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was back at the Pentagon. A coterie of Reagan ideologues were now back in key positions in government. Centuries of experience!

What did this pantheon of experience give us? Iraq.

Look at those that voted for the war in Iraq, experienced them all: Biden, Lieberman, Hillary, Kerry, etc. What did that experience give us? Over 3,000 dead GIs, over 600,000 dead Iraqis.

What counts is not experience, what counts is judgment!

[Eric J in MN]

40. Powell was Secretary of State. Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense. NT

NT

[Mz Pip]

26. I doubt it

Obama has one huge advantage over Hillary - charisma. If he can back that up with sound positions he will not fade away.

Wishing won't make it so, Hillary.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Crunchy Frog]

32. He's got one other advantage as well.

Having been opposed from the beginning to the Iraq disaster.

[William769]

27. She was married to one?

[snowbear]

29. Big Eddie Schultz.. who has always supported Hillary was royally pissed at her today..

All during his radio show today, he gave her relentless crap for making such an arrogant statement.

Yo Hill.. not cool.

p.s.. to the Hillary supporter(s) on here.. like Eddie said, even if it didn't come out of her mouth-- it camp out of the "Hillary Camp"

If she disagreed with the statement... ... why didn't she immediately retract it on behalf of her camp?

TACKY.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Hillary has borrowed a page of Karl Rove's primary campaign in 2000

Like Bush in 2000, Hillary will let her consiglieri Carville and his underlings do all the dirty stuff while she stays above the fray.

Obama won't be the only Democrat to get a taste of Team Hillary's dirty tactics, you watch!

[bigdarryl]

38. Big Ed is right she's playing good cop bad cop she sends the....

attack dogs out while sitting g back playing the nice one. I'm telling you Hillary is dangerously BRUTAL more than her husband.

[k_jerome]

33. which candidate that isn't expecting to win..

does not predict their competition will fade? duh.

[Imagevision]

36. If Obama fades it will be because he was instructed to ... I predict Hillary will fade soon

[zulchzulu]

37. Let whoever wants to run...run...

The article also mentions that support for Kerry is "anemic". We'll just see about that when the first debate happens and people see who is on stage and what they have to say.

Voters will decide who they think has the best chance to win in 2008, which is a long way off politically.

Bring it, Mrs. Clinton...

[fuzzyball]

41. Heck even I can predict Obama will fade during 08 campaign...

There are simply too many barriers he has to jump over.

[depakid]

44. I didn't even need to click on that to know that it was Adam Nagourney

I honestly don't know why people take ANYTHING this man writes seriously.

He's dishonest and ALWAYS slants his copy to disparage Democrats or create some "controversy."

[rhombus]

45. Hillary's arrogance is showing. yuck

To the Clinton clique, the nomination is Hillary's. How dare the commoners try to dethrone her?

gawd, I can't wait to see her fall flat on her face. I can't stand arrogant people.

[DrFunkenstein]

46. After She Extended The "Botched Joke" News Cycle Before The Midterms...

I realized that she was ready and willing to walk on the necks of every Democrat further herself. That was one of the reasons that Al Gore was so pissed at Bill Clinton, who would put everybody else in a terrible position just to make himself look better.

Seriously, what was she thinking when she kept the debate on a completely retarded media "gotcha" when there were so many seats at stake?