Begala today called Dean an a**hole from Vermont.

[madfloridian]

Scott's post today at Kos chronicles his talk with Paul Begala today.
Here is Scott's website...he wrote a book called The Tea is in the Harbor during the Dean campaign. I believe he was just a teen-ager then.

http://www.scottforamerica.com/

Here is his diary at DailyKos today. Begala calls Dean an asshole from Vermont.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/4/184510/4843

Scott stopped Begala today to talk about the 50 state strategy.

"I hope you will support the 50-state strategy," I told him, expecting the shrug off or a "nice to meet you too," but that isn’t what Begala had in mind.

"That depends what you mean by 50 state strategy he said." I responded by telling him that I meant the plan for Democrats to compete everywhere and for every office in the country. That I don’t support he said, "we should start with principles and values." "Sure, we should compete everywhere" he muttered, "but that’s not the right strategy." He continued that after working for over 30 campaigns this cycle, not a single one of those campaigns was helped by the 50-state strategy. He challenged me to name examples where the 50-state strategy helped us win in 2006. I proceeded to cite wins in Kentucky and Indiana, along with progress in Nebraska and Kansas as evidence of the plan’s short term success.

"Look," he said, "When we started there were only about 15 competitive races, but Rahm made the field over 35 by the end and that had nothing to do with the 50-state strategy." I told him we never would have had so many competitive districts if not for the DNC investing staffers and resources into those states early on and expanding the playing field. "So you have people out there, what are they doing there though?" he questioned. " I told him they were building a long term infrastructure for the Democratic Party, and we had people all over America knocking on doors and spreading the Democratic message. "So what do they say when they knock on the doors then?" he asked me. I told him they had a succinct 6 point plan for a "new direction" that they were discussing, a cohesive message that we haven’t had in the past. "Anyway," Begala continued... "I don’t need some a**hole from Vermont telling me what to do."

After that our conversation was interrupted and I walked away, but I couldn’t leave before stopping by one more time. "He brought a lot of new people into this Party, " I told Begala as I passed by. He didn’t reply, so I said it again, "Paul I know your view on him, but he brought a lot of new people into this Party." "Excellent, excellent," he said. Shortly after that I left the ballroom.

No one ever said the 50 State plan won the election, but it sure as hell contributed. Their nastiness to Howard Dean sort of makes me think they are not done with him yet.

Contrast this with Dean's comments today as quoted at the NYT blog:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/893

[jpgray]

1. Old guard politicoes will always get defensive about strategies that aren't theirs

And Clinton staffers are -way- overpraised in general for victories that had more to do with Clinton's Elvis factor than their own strategizing--witness losses in Congress yet holding of the presidency, etc.

[Cha]

34. Ya got that

right!

The dinos want to get rid of the Meteorite Dean so badly they go out and make FOOLS of themselves.

[liberalmike27]

52. We always knew

That Clinton and his supporters were Centrist at best, or as Moore said, "The best republican president we've ever had" in reference to Clinton.

I like the 50 state strategy. In case these putzs didn't notice, they can campaign anywhere, and it'll get national attention. If you campaign in Florida it is on the local news in Alabama, Georgia, SC, and other states. They keep track.

How can any democrat hope to eventually win in Alabama, a place that had 60% republican voting, if they don't even care enough to campaign here a bit? I don't think they can, and it is so totally wrong to dismiss the entire South. If democrats stuck to their old platform of helping the poor and middle class, both working and unemployed, the South is where they could do the most. We are the poorest region of the country, we've got the worst health care, the highest infant mortality for the most part, and consistently score the lowest in education. These are all democratic platfoms. So the campaign should be on economics, not about things like war.

If we can ever get folks to understand that we are economic wage-slaves here in the South the democrats have a great chance, but not if candidates for national office neglect every coming here.

[blm]

60. It's not so much about campaigning in these places as the party infrastructures themselves

had already been collapsed to the point where there was nothing in place for a candidate to tap into once they became the candidate.

In 2000, I was in South Carolina, and Horry County didn't even HAVE a Dem headquarters. In 2004, I was in NC where the Dem HQ was in the back of a flower shop.

The Clinton-era strategy of targetting states for attention caused the collapse of these party infrastructures in states where the national party conceded in the years BEFORE the contest in 2000, 2002, and 2004.

Guys like Carville, Begala and McAuliffe will deflect all blame to the candidates themselves, knowing damn well that it was the targetted state strategy that set up the losses - that is why it is important for them to discredit Dean and anyone involved in the 2004 primary races who saw firsthand that poor infrastructure led to the election process going unsupported and unsecured in so many states.

[Le Taz Hot]

51. I kind of feel the need to

correct some terminology here as another poster down-thread posted basically the same thought. It has to do with "old guard" and "new guard." The REAL "old guard" is the old, liberal, socially-conscious Democratic Party where pro-corporate positions such as those held by Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden would have been considered to the right. In many cases, far right. I consider the "new guard" as those who represent the pro-corporate, career politicians who get their marching orders from the DLC.

Howard Dean actually represents the "old" Democratic party, or, as he so accurately phrased it, the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

Sorry. Carry on.:)

[Morgana LaFey]

56. Excellent. Thank you. That terminology bothered me too

I think of the Clinton wing as The Washingtonians -- by which I mean just firmly entrenched career pols who have their own futures and well-being in power circles uppermost in mind at all times, and consdier KEEPING the power the most important goal, no matter what. THe good of the country or other policy issues are quite secondary.

[blm]

62. I call them the coverup wing of the party who work AGAINST the anti-corruption,

open government wing of the party.

[shance]

69. Great points Le Taz. Important distinctions to make.

Thanks for posting.

[Fridays Child]

2. Begala and his sidekick Carville have shown their true colors...

...time and time again. They are both stealth Republicans, imo.

[mod mom]

54. exactly. They had the audacity to call and ask for $ and I had the fortune to

tell them what I think (of course I was polite with the phone banker, but I had a long discussion about the attributes of Howard Dean and the damage that folks like Begala, Carville and the DLC are doing to the Democratic Party.

[blm]

67. I did the same and told them I'll continue to send money to DNC and any Dem from

the anti-corruption, open government wing of the party because I would in no way support any member of the Coverup wing of the party EVER AGAIN.

[rockymountaindem]

3. What a bunch of crap

Like we would have been competative in *Wyoming* if not for the 50-state strategy.

If Begala is going to bring his attitude to the 2008 race, that's not going to be good.

[paulk]

58. we won the governor's seat there

before there was any 50 state strategy...

[rockymountaindem]

70. That was an open seat

We came within 800 votes of beating a multi-term incumbent congresswoman this time.

[madfloridian]

4. Scott adds this at the end....

"As we celebrate our victories and the swearing-in of our new Democratic Congress today, we must be focused on achieving results for the American people. Action and progress are far more important than inside-baseball. However, let us not forget, there is still a battle going on for the heart of the Democratic Party. Will we be a real national Party that delivers progress to America, or are we going to only focus on the next election?

A new Democratic Party took a giant step forward today, a Democratic Party proud of it’s values and it’s principles, and one that won’t be afraid to stand up for our beliefs...anywhere. Unfortunately for Begala and Carville, they aren’t part of it."

Way to go, Scott.

:applause:

[blm]

14. It's gonna get worse, mf - Terry McAuliffe has a book out in a few weeks

and I can just imagine how it is going to read. Wanna bet he takes NO RESPONSIBILITY for running the national party into the ground over the Clinton-era 'targetted state strategy" where they allowed the party infrastructures in the red and swing states to collapse while they pursued their DC-centric coddling of the corporate class?

[madfloridian]

18. You reminded me of this statement by McAuliffe...

"There were awkward moments during Dean's first months in Washington, early in 2005, when he found himself working among the party leaders he had repeatedly maligned. In his first official visit to the newly renovated D.N.C. building, Dean was greeted in the lobby by his predecessor, Terry McAuliffe, a close friend of the Clintons and probably the most gifted fund-raiser in the party's history, whom Dean's supporters had long pilloried as the personification of a party run by hacks and obsessed with corporate money. McAuliffe, a man of maddeningly good cheer, pointed to the new wall-size glass building dedication in the lobby, which featured McAuliffe's name at the very top, followed by a list of contributors. ''Now, Howard,'' he said, ''don't you go chiseling that down.''

That could be taken a number of ways. That the party itself is more than a building, or that Dean was not to go taking power from the big donors.

http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F40611FF34550C728CDDA90994DE404482

You are right, it is going to get worse.

[blm]

22. That building and its excesses were part of the DC-centric spending Terry was

concerned with, because he gave up on Dem races in 2002 and 2004 on Sept.11, 2001. And the chair before him wasn't so hot, either, implementing the targetted state strategy in 2000.


I think his book is going to be a revisionist view of his four years, with a steady stream of digs at certain Dem targets - especially Dean and Kerry. He will get ALOT of coverage for it, too.

[madfloridian]

29. Have you heard any specifics about the book?

I am like you, I fear the worst.

[blm]

33. Just that it's about the party. I have no doubt that his intentions are to revise history

as it relates to his stewardship of the party.

[RogueTrooper]

48. I would be surprised if it didn't

They have always been good at revising their own history.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. The Clintons And Their Election-Losing Posse Are Like Lyme Disease

It's really, really tough to make them go away.

Six months of antibiotics? A crucifix? Garlic? What will it take?

[tularetom]

6. He lost mewhen he spent half an hour on crossfire

suckin up to needle dick ted nugent - "I'm a hunter too Ted"

[EST]

7. Bagala, Carville, and many other so called "strategists" are

fighting for their financial lives. The voters might just figure out that such people are not needed, that they are, indeed, superfluous.

As I watch them - including Buchannan, Gingrich, and that lady, Cooking with grease - it is immediately obvious that they are not particularly gifted or even very smart. Pi$$ on the lot of them.
They are a waste of money.

[Mist]

9. Yep, Begala, et al are pissed off at their increasing irrelevancy. nt

[madfloridian]

21. Losing their gravy train roles? Someday, maybe.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/93

You might be right. They still have a lot of power though and much media access.

[blm]

24. They intend to use their openended media access to destroy any Dem who doesn't

fit in with their 2008 agenda.

[wisteria]

32. To much. They need to start to be seen as irrelevant. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

8. I'm speechless

How the hell does he think we picked up a Senate seat in Virginia, for fuck's sake.

Oh, my head.

[madfloridian]

10. My head hurts also.

I posted Scott's website because he is very nice guy who would not try to make someone angry. Just trying to get answers. I see no reason for Begala's words.

[ReadTomPaine]

19. Begala has plenty of reason to feel the way he does...

they just aren't particularly good reasons and they don't apply outside of his future career aspirations. It's largely self serving.

If he can help the Democratic party while keeping himself connected, well paid and on the upward escalator, then he will. However, it's clear that when push comes to shove, it's good ole #1 and his patrons who get primary consideration before the good of the party or democratic voters in general.

[silverojo]

11. Dear Mr. Begala:

Go Cheney yourself. :mad:

[orleans]

12. hey paul! don't be such an asswipe. or you'll have to get a job as a

republican strategist

[conscious evolution]

17. I thought he already was one.

[madfloridian]

13. I find myself wondering if this kind of stuff from Carvlle and Begala is deliberately done.

It is so ugly, it is almost hard to think it is just something they casually said. There has to be a reason for being so obvious hateful toward Dean....because they know when they do it they are angering the grassroots and the people who want to see the party strengthened all over.

Oh, wait, maybe they don't care if they anger us. :think:

[sendero]

15. It's simple..

... they are the old-guard corporate wing of the Dem party and are now threatened by the fact that a good leader and the internet can make them obsolete.

Of course they hate Dean, he represents what they are most afraid of, us.

[peacetalksforall]

16. My support for Begala, Carville, and the rest of the DLC

and overt DLC reps and senators ended a while back. Today's heroes are NOT rooted in the DLC.

[high density]

20. These Clinton-era folks are really starting to lose it

Go away already. Jeeze.

[spooky3]

23. He's still bitter over Jon Stewart's humiliating him

on Crossfire.

[Hekate]

25. Time for Begala and Carville to find another line of work -- how about at McDonalds?

Jeez louise, what a creep. Can't have it all his own way, so he's going to pout and shout that the game's not fair.

Hekate

[IndianaGreen]

26. Begala and Carville: Hillary's pit bulls

They do the dirty work while she remains above the fray, like Stalin having Beria do all of his dirty work.

[Democrafty]

27. Wow, what a jerk!

Even if you don't agree with the 50-state strategy (and why wouldn't you?) that was totally uncalled for.

[madfloridian]

28. Maura from CT has a nice post up at Kos defending Dean.

There's a great picture of her dad who passed away not long ago, with Howard Dean at a fundraiser. I remember her posting about Dean talking with him for a long time.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/4/215711/5577
In praise of some a**hole from VT

Thanks, Maura.

[Cha]

35. Priceless!

"Thank GOD Howard Dean, some asshole from Vermont, stepped into the middle of that circular firing squad and shook things up.

We needed an asshole down there, someone who was so grounded in values and family and reality in a little state like Vermont that his heart wouldn't be broken if he pissed off the consultant class and got himself dis-invited from the Cool Kidz K Street Cocktail Parties.

Howard Dean didn't give a shit about the very backslapping that powered our limping party's gerbil wheel of defeat. That asshole from Vermont set out to raise money, build a farm team of candidates by challenging Republicans in every state, in every race, and rebuild a grassroots party infrastructure by investing in organizers in every state. And it fucking worked...and we're only just starting!"

"By the way, I've been lucky enough to meet Howard in person a few times and I've found him to be kind, down-to-earth, personable, and smart as a whip. I don't think he's an asshole at all. But the extent to which Paul Begala and his ilk do think Howard is an asshole is greatly to the Gov's credit. May his assholishness in Begala's eyes continue apace as we move on to a big victory in '08.
And to Begala, I say, Get outta the way and go on to your cocktail parties where you can bash Dean and commiserate with your compatriots about your increasing irrelevance. A whole bunch of us and some asshole from Vermont are busy."

Maura's too funny! Lucky, too..getting to schmooz with the Guv from Vermont!

[madfloridian]

38. It was a great post.

:hi:

[Cha]

39. Dean also has the sobriquet,

"Fiesty Little Bastard" from the 2004 primaries.

:hi:

[JNelson6563]

49. Oh Bravo!!!

I loves me some asshole from Vermont! :toast:

Great answer to Begala's pap.

Cheers to you MF, thanks for keeping us updated with the antics of the Clinton wing of the party.

Julie

[madfloridian]

53. I intend to keep on doing it, Julie.

I will not let their nefarious hijinks be kept from the light of day. There has been too much of sabotage of good people in our party. Not just Dean. There is going to be more. They are after Kerry also right now for sure, and maybe others. Who is they? Good question...might not even be Democrats..might be wolves in sheep's clothing.

Carville and Begala are both carrying water for someone, and it needs to stop. It hurts all of us.

[Cha]

61. Yeah, it's looks, sounds, and smells like

they're carrying Heavy Water for the neofascists.

[wisteria]

30. It sure did contribute to our wins. Begalia and strategist like him

don't want things to change. They want to retain all the glory and power that comes from being recognized as have the winning strategy.
He ran or took part in the Casey campaign and if he thinks he won it for him, then Begalia is crazier that I think he is. he did nothing but ply money into commercials that people got tired of looking at and turned off. I volunteered for Casey in the Western part of PA and we couldn't even get any literature or signs. We had to pay for everything ourselves. We went door to door and we made those important calls. we were at the polls and you know what? Casey won our area. An area that has voted Republican for ten years. Now I know we didn't do it all by ourselves, but Begalia seems to think he did.
Screw him. His is one of the festering sores in our party that need to be replaced with a more opened minded person.

[Cha]

36. begala is "festering"

all right.

[lyonn]

45. They were stars during the Clinton era, then faded fast

What's that saying about reading your own press clippings? Terry is afflicted too. Arrogance doesn't fit the Democratic party.

[Cha]

31. And I don't need that dlc ASSHOLE

from Texas takin' a dump on our esteemed DNC Chairman from Vermont.

[Telly Savalas]

37. Begala is merely concerned with the strategic direction of the party.

Refusing to be a team player and repeatedly public denouncing the leader of the DNC is a sound strategy which promotes the goals of the Party.

If only the rest of you had demonstrated his commitment to the Democratic Party, we might have won the election last November.

[PurityOfEssence]

40. Begala needs to spend more time proving his manliness by killing animals

This tiresome twit has taken the erroneous stupidity of Clinton's moving toward the right to such a sickening degree that he needs to suck up to boneheaded primitives and prove himself a "man".

He is a silly fool in need of the appreciation he'll never get, since he covets support from the right.

Over and over, he's shown pictures of himself and his brother hunting deer as some sort of proof of being a "real man". Both he and Carville have shown themselves to be running dogs for the establishment and corn-fed, plaid-suited fools of the worst sort.

For shame.

[David Zephyr]

71. Tiresome twit!

I like that!

BTW, I thought Edwards' kickoff in a New Orleans backyard was great! I liked it a lot!

[xkenx]

41. It's Begala and Carville who have turned into assholes.

Two-bit DLCers who think they own the party. Howard Dean is a hero for creating and sticking with the 50 state strategy.

[madfloridian]

42. I remember Begala's apology for the "nose-picker" comment....just insulted more.

Today he calls Howard Dean an "a**hole from Vermont." As far as any of us can tell Dean was simply enjoying the ceremonies today like the rest of us were.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/4/184510/4843

A few months ago on CNN he said Howard Dean was wasting money hiring people to stand around and pick their noses in Nevada and Utah.

Not sure if he intended the apology for that statement at Huffington Post to sound that way, or if the poor fellow just can't help it. But parts of it sounded rude as well.

Bringing a knife to a gunfight

I am deeply frustrated with a party establishment that does everything except tell people what we stand for. They spend millions on voter files, field work, phone banks, staff, consultants, etc...and yet people don't know what we stand for. I am not opposed to hiring organizers. I'm opposed to pretending that hiring organizers is in any way a substitute for having a message.

Yeh, Paul, guess what...Dean had that message. You know, the one that said we would not win being Republican lite? That one? That we needed to oppose Bush, and not be afraid to be different.

I've lived almost my entire life in red states -- not Berkeley, not Burlington -- but Texas and Virginia. I know better than most how vicious these Republicans can be. And I can't bear the thought that we're going to leave these brave, ballsy challengers naked and vulnerable to the tender mercies of Mr. Rove. Ideally you'd like to make sure they have both the message and the organizers they need to win.

Well, Paul, there is nothing wrong about being from Berkeley or Burlington. And Dean is putting staff in those Red States you speak of so they can win by having the message their area needs. Oh, isn't that what you were just saying? Dean is doing just what you want done in those areas.

And Paul, remember this wonderful letter written to you by the Utah state chairman, Wayne Holland?

"Win for today" as a long-term strategy has left many areas of the
country without a healthy dialogue. The April 29 canvass where we put
the DNC message on 15,000 registered Democrats doorsteps was a first
for Utahns. They have never heard from the DNC. When Clinton was in
the White House, he never made a public address to the people of Utah.
Democrats have become outsiders who do things to us, not insiders who
do things for us. The 50 state strategy is one way to turn it around.

Even in Utah, there are thoughtful Democrats elected to office like
Congressman Matheson, Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson, and Salt
Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon. The DNC's investment here will make
sure that they retain their seats. I expect it will help Mayor Corroon
get a majority of Democrats to support his policies on the Salt Lake
County Council. That will show Utahns for the first time in a decade
that we have the ability to govern.

I wish I had more time today to be thoughtful. But this fight is
disheartening, and not productive. Chairman Dean is not going to
change what he has started. Too many DNC members appreciate it. (And,
they are Dean's electorate.) I encourage you and Congressman Rahm
Emmanuel to move on, and find a way to make it work for the DCCC.

Wayne Holland, Jr.
Chair
Utah Democratic Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1173405

And one more thing. You and your buddy James Carville are going to be working for Hillary's campaign in one capacity or the other. Does she know you guys are doing this stuff?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/793

[madfloridian]

72. And don't forget Carville's own words of non-denial about Rahm and the Clintons

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/838

From the GQ article about Rahm by Ryan Lizza.

Carville tells me, further pounding the wedge that divides the Deaniacs and the Clintonites. When I ask if Rahm agrees, Carville says, “It’s not any secret that Rahm has expressed disdain for Dean and not very secret that Rahm and I are close. It doesn’t take a lot of dot-connecting here.”

And when Lizza asked Carville about Hillary's concerns about who was running the DNC...

What about the Clintons, who, given Hillary’s presidential ambitions, have more cause for concern about who runs the DNC in 2008? “Let’s just say nobody has called me telling me this is a bad idea. Sometimes silence is eloquence.” Not only did Carville’s coup fail but it arguably strengthened Dean, who, speaking before his state-party allies, mocked the attempt as a desperate attack from the “old Democratic Party.” Cutting his losses, Rahm quickly leaked word to the press that he and Dean had negotiated a truce.

A few here have said I am attacking Hillary. Actually, I am not doing that. I just feel that many of us are witnessing this time with an open mind (no candidate for 08 yet)....just how candidates are brought to their knees by consultants and strategists. It has always been done, it will continue to be. But the internet gives us a way to put it together and figure it out.

I did some searches this afternoon on the old Crossfire transcripts from 2003 with Carville, Begala, and Tucker Carlson as some of the hosts. It was quite painful. They would devote whole hours to tearing down Howard and Judy Dean....or they would pick a candidate for that day and go after them. I got tears reading the transcripts.

[TankLV]

43. Hey paulie - either get on board with the new boss, or get OUT!

Dena PROVED this last election ROYALLY that his strategy WORKS!

YOURS, little paulie honey, was a DISASTER...

If it weren't for Clinton's PERSONAL strengths, he would have otherwise LOST with your strategy, too...as proved by Gore...

[TankLV]

44. Hey paulie - either get on board with the new boss, or get OUT!

Dena PROVED this last election ROYALLY that his strategy WORKS!

YOURS, little paulie honey, was a DISASTER...

If it weren't for Clinton's PERSONAL strengths, he would have otherwise LOST with your strategy, too...as proved by Gore...

[returnable]

46. Yet another example of why the grassroots should give Hillary the finger...

Begala hasn't had an original thought since he first learned to tie his shoes. When he and Carville shit on the grassroots, it's Hillary's refuse.

[Dr Fate]

47. This is why the base plus state & local parties dont trust the DLC anymore.

This kind of thing- why do they always try to piss us off on purpose?

First it was all the trashing of the anti-war movement-then they made all of us look like idiots for supporting Bush for so long and gained nothing from it- blowing 3 election cycles in a row to boot.

They hate Dean because he is a Liberal intellectual AND a tough street fighter- he & Carville cant stand it.

This is half the reason why I STILL dont trust the DLCers on the war-all the back-stabbing and bullshitting and snow-jobs- WTF is up with this trashing of the successful DLC Chair?

[PVnRT]

50. Anyway, I don't need some asshole from D.C. telling me what to do

like Begala or Carville.

[RubyDuby in GA]

55. Oh Paulie - don't go a way mad. Just go away.

Sounds a little bitter about being shown up. Or perhaps a little mad that people have stopped listening to him and have actually gone with a winner.

[Geek_Girl]

57. Begala is a douche bag

And why in the world would he say something so stupid to Kos? He had to know he would put it up on his blog.

[madfloridian]

59. He said it to Scott Goldstein...

a 21 year old guy who wrote a book called The Tea is in the Harbor..he was part of the Dean campaign.

But Begala had to know who he was. So same thing you are saying. Why would he say it to someone he knows is going to repeat it. Scott's a nice kind of guy. Begala did this on purpose.

He wanted it to get out that he said it.

I find myself wondering why.

[mtnsnake]

63. I wouldn't be surprised if Begala & Carville sue you for slander. What a load.

Once again, you have nothing. I don't know if anyone else but me decided to check out your bogus links, but they prove diddly squat. All you've got is some dailykos poster telling us he talked to Begala in person and we're supposed to take his word for it that he called someone in Vermont an asshole? Gimme an effin break.

How about for once in your life posting something that contains a REAL link with legitimate info, not watered down hearsay stemming from people's imaginations running wild.

[madfloridian]

64. Wow.

.

[blm]

68. Heh - it's all just mere 'coincidence' to you, isn't it? Carville didn't attack Dean

for Clinton. Begala doesn't attack Dean for Clinton. McAuliffe doesn't attack Kerry for Clinton.

All just 'coincidental' with no links to any of it.

And Clinton covering up for Poppy Bush all those years was just circumstantial, too.

[hatrack]

65. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, Paul . . . .

It tolls for thee and the rest of the Beltway Kool Kidz. Didn't you notice? You don't matter any more.

So stop taking up airtime, bandwith and oxygen, you tiresome poser vacuum bag LOSER.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

66. Funny, he didn't seem like such a bad ass when Tweety used to

bitch slap him all over MSNBC.