A warning from someone inside Mountain Meadow Mitt's cult

[Ian David]

The following is a post from an anti-Romney right-wing blog:



A warning from someone inside Mitt Romney's cult
Friday, January 05, 2007 1:59 AM

I've talked before about the secret oath that Mormons swear in their temples. I've talked before how this oath de facto disqualifies Mitt Romney from being President of the United States, since his oath to his church can conflict with his oath of office.

Perhaps you don't consider oaths (before God?) a big deal. If so, there's no hope for you and with your lukewarm attitude, there's nothing I can do to warn you of the danger of having a Mormon cultist like Mitt Romney for President. I mean, if you won't keep an oath, why would you be vexed about someone swearing two mutually exclusive oaths?

But if you won't listen to me - someone who's never been Mormon - perhaps you'll listen to someone who has. Here's a letter to the editor of The Hill from a former Mormon trying to warn you what he/she knows. Note the reluctance of the writer to divulge his identity. Living in a Mormon enclave, perhaps he knows something about the Mormon church that you don't?

I read with interest David Hill’s Feb. 2 column about Mormonism and Gov. Mitt Romney . As a person who left the Mormon faith, I can get to the core of the problem of which voters should be aware.

In the Mormon temples, a vow is made to put the Mormon Church first. Before 1990, there was even a death symbol involved about keeping the vow (which has since been removed). In no uncertain terms, the temple vow promises to use all talents to further the Mormon (Latter-day Saints) Church.

More:
http://romneyforpresident.townhall.com/g/62259cc6-fc46-472e-bb0a-c522a1024f41

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. In other words, Romney's chances of nomination

are being torpedoed by members of his own party.

[YOY]

2. Them thar fundies are not Mormon fans...there are those who would not vote for a Mormon

They aren't too keen on Catholics as well.

Hell....they pretty don't much like anyone but other fundie protestants...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. even then, depends on the sect. 'cuz, those others, man, they go

straight to HELLL! and INTERNAL DAMNATION!

[lapfog_1]

6. Evangelical fundies that, ironically, would have NO PROBLEM

with taking an oath to put THEIR version of religion before anything else. They are the ones that fly the Jesus flags and say pledges of allegiance to it.

[aquart]

3. Didn't a recent survey put Mormon dead last in Presidential attributes?

Subjects were asked about old candidates, female candidates, black candidates, and Mormon candidates. Mormon lost.

I wouldn't worry about it just now. I wouldn't vote a Mormon in, either. But the Mountain Meadow Massacre was a loooooooooooong time ago. And there are damn few religions without blood on their hands.

[Ian David]

5. The Pastafarians, Jedi and Raelians haven't killed anyone yet. n/t

[No Exit]

7. We need to help Romney get the nomination!

Because any of our guys including Hillary could beat him easily.

Hey, I was in stitches about your fine name for Romney! Mountain Meadows Mitt is PERFECT! Tell the folks where you got that name. It's quite a story.

[Ian David]

10. Mountain Meadows Mitt... aka, Der Mittenfuhrer...

Mountain Meadows massacre
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Mountain Meadows Massacre was a mass killing of between 54 and 123<1> people, mostly from Arkansas, at Mountain Meadows, a stopover along the Spanish Trail in southwestern Utah, on Friday, September 11, 1857. The causes and circumstances remain highly controversial.

<snip>

Mountain Meadows

The hungry, somewhat dispirited Fancher party found water and fresh grazing for its livestock after reaching grassy, mountain-ringed Mountain Meadows, a widely known stopover on the old Spanish Trail, in early September. They anticipated several days of rest and recuperation there. On September 7 the party was attacked by a group of Native American Paiutes and Mormon militiamen dressed as Native Americans. The Fancher party defended itself by encircling and lowering their wagons, wheels chained together, along with digging shallow trenches and throwing dirt both below and into the wagons, which made a strong barrier. Seven emigrants were killed during the opening attack and were buried somewhere within the wagon encirclement. Sixteen more were wounded. The attack continued for five days, during which the besieged families had little or no access to fresh water or game food and their ammunition was depleted.

On Friday, September 11 two Mormon militiamen approached the Fancher party wagons with a white flag and were soon followed by indian agent and militia officer John D. Lee.<9> Lee told the battle weary emigrants he had negotiated a truce with the Paiutes, whereby they could be escorted safely to Cedar City under Mormon protection in exchange for leaving all their livestock and supplies to the Native Americans. Accepting this, they were split into three groups. Seventeen of the youngest children along with a few mothers and the wounded were put into wagons, which were followed by all the women and older children walking in a second group. Bringing up the rear were the adult males of the Fancher party, each walking with an armed Mormon militiaman at his right. Making their way back northeast towards Cedar City, the three groups gradually became strung out and visually separated by shrubs and a shallow hill. After about 2 kilometers, all of the men, women, older children and wounded were massacred by almost 50 Mormon militia and 200 Paiutes who had hidden nearby. A few who escaped the initial slaughter were quickly chased down and killed. Two teenaged girls, Rachel and Ruth Dunlap, managed to clamber down the side of a steep gully and hide among a clump of oak trees for several minutes. They were spotted by a Paiute chief from Parowan, who took them to Lee. 18 year old Ruth Dunlap reportedly fell to her knees and pleaded, "Spare me, and I will love you all my life!" <3> (Lee denied this). 50 years later, a Mormon woman who was a child at the time of the massacre recalled hearing LDS women in St. George say both girls were raped before they were killed.

All of the Mormon participants in the massacre were then sworn to secrecy. The many dozens of bodies were hastily dragged into gullies and other low lying spots, then lightly covered with surrounding material which was soon blown away by the weather, leaving the remains to be scavenged and scattered by wildlife.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

[No Exit]

13. Absolutely chilling. No wonder Arthur Conan Doyle

was inspired to write that story "A Study in Scarlet".

[Ian David]

14. See also: Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer

Jon Krakauer (Into the Wild and Into Thin Air) often writes about those living on the margins of society. In Under the Banner of Heaven, he turn his attention to fundamentalist zealots of the Mormon church. Centering his novel around brothers Dan and Ron Lafferty, who murdered Ron's wife and infant daughter, ostensibly under God's orders.

Telling the story of their violent and virulent beliefs, Krakauer also ties in Mormon history from Joseph Smith, Jr. and Brigham Young to the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart. The sect of Mormons that still practice polygamy practice a system of feminine abuse, rape, incest, and intermarriage in the belief that they are preparing for the the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord.

It's an eye-opening look at the history of polygamy within the Mormon church and the abuse and violence it often engenders. The San Francisco Chronicle says of Under the Banner of Heaven, "His new work is a fantastic read, right up there with In Cold Blood and The Executioner's Song in its depiction of that strange American blend of piety, violence and longing for the End Times."
http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/under_the_banner_of_heaven/



See also:

New York Times review
by Robin Wright
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405EFDF123FF930A3575BC0A9659C8B63

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[chemp]

8. Isn't this the same reasoning the right used againt JFK as a Catholic?

I have enough reasons not to vote for Mitt, his porsonal choice of religion can be left out of it until HE drags it in
like Bush and many others have. I refuse to not vote for someone simply because he is, or is not a Mormon.
As a New Englander, I have had to deal with Mitt's BS since he ran against Kennedy for Senate. I have enough ammo
against him. I'm not gonna turn bigot now.

[Ian David]

9. The day he stood up and declared war on Marriage Equality, he made it an issue. n/t

[chemp]

11. Himself, not his religion.

As an atheist, I refuse to allow any religous litmus test to be the basis of a vote.
If I like the man and his policies, or distain the man, that is my reasonings.
If he drags religion into the mix then so be it, but I'm not going to stand up in a crowded
theatre and shout, "MORMON", or "ATHEIST", or, "FAG", or, "MUSLIM".
That's their tactic. Not mine.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Mittens is an assdouche but this is crap.

I am old enough to remember the same bigotry spewed against Jack Kennedy for his being Catholic. It ain't about which supernatural deity mittens pretends to believe in, it is about the policies he intends to implement.

[Doctor_J]

15. "His church before his country"

isn't that what Smirk does by launching "crusades"? Aren't most religious people more faithful to their religion than secular things?

This guy's way out there.