An e-mail from a right winger!

[Joey Liberal]

I got this e-mail from a right winger at work. Any thoughts?
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People who vote for liberal Democrats are fake Americans. They are real
socialists who should move to Canada or swing like Saddam for being the
traitors that they are to the American Dream.

I'm praying for a new, real and bloody Civil War. It's been coming for
a long time; ever since the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was
ratified.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

Forward it to the FBI and your local police

And let them deal with it.

[jgraz]

8. If you really want to get their attention, tell them you think he's a Muslim

As we all know, Christian terrorists can say or do whatever they want. In this society, they're never considered a threat until they start blowing up government buildings.

[jhrobbins]

11. I was gonna say just ignore it, but....

I like your idea better. I don't know the law as well, perhaps, but if this rises to the level of excitation, then let let those ( I hope I get this quote right)' that sow the wind, reap the whirlwind!

[salin]

47. bingo

threatening broad scale violence against other americans... wouldn't that be... terroristic?

[meegbear]

1. Re: email

BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[sharp_stick]

7. Don't forget that when you take meegbears advice

To keep the Fuck you Dan Savage line in there. Feel free to replace "Dan Savage" with the offending asshole you're dealing with.

Honestly though, I'd fire a copy to HR and your management.

[jgraz]

2. Is this freak a co-worker????

If so, I'd send it straight to HR. Messages like this aren't simply right-wing, they're psychotic. I'd be worried about an office shooting from someone like this.

[Joey Liberal]

12. Yes, he's really a co-worker n/t

[jgraz]

16. then you definitely need to turn this in

Please let us know what the reaction is.

[Joey Liberal]

30. Yes, I will do that!

I will post his reaction on here.

[jgraz]

31. And be careful

I lost my job after objecting to the pro-bush, pro-war cheerleading at my workplace.

[Joey Liberal]

33. Good point

I'm surrounded by republicans here. To be fair, I send him a lot of Bush bashing stuff. We go back and forth.

[Patchuli]

63. I'd be careful about doing that,

if I were you. I just took an Ethics in the Information Age class for my degree and that guy could be fired for what he sent you. To be safe, I wouldn't send him any more political junk! Just turn him in to HR. They are not paying this person to use their email to send email that smacks of terrorism and wishes death on people. He should lose his job.

Remember, unless they're on your side, don't discuss politics or religion at work!!

[Joey Liberal]

65. Good point, thanks! n/t

[Joey Liberal]

40. His response is #39 n/t

[unpossibles]

3. was it from a co-worker?

You could probably report them to HR. Based on their distance from reality, I doubt you could convince them they are wrong.

[mtnsnake]

4. Tell your co-worker to sign up for Iraq if he/she really wants to go to war

Start out "Dear Chickenhawk"...

[Sequoia]

5. Tell the boss

That worker should be fired, and yes tell the FBI too.

[Joey Liberal]

17. The boss is a right winger too n/t

[Sequoia]

21. You poor thing!

Tell Homeland Security then. This person wants a war in the USA does he/she? Email the employee and say that you've forwarded it to the proper authorities. These terrosits types talk the talk, but when it's showdown they're running like a scared little dog.

[salin]

48. wingnut or not... most don't advocate violence

and civil war against fellow americans.

[monmouth]

6. Wow, this is a removal from the job offense. I kid you not. I'm retired

now but can tell you this does not, in any way, belong in the workplace. It's not only offensive, but political or any other non-work related e-mails, at least where I worked, is not acceptable.

[Ian David]

9. I would report his email to the authorities.

Advocating armed insurrection against the government may be against the law.

[azurnoir]

10. I would make a quick trip to HR

this is an obviously disturbed person, that one could be taken as a serious threat. Most companies have rules against that sort of thing.

[AndyA]

13. Hey Right Wingers: here's the flip side.

People who vote for conservative Republicans are fake Americans. They are real fascists who should move back in time to Nazi Germany or swing like Saddam for being the traitors that they are to the American Dream.

Republican Fascism is abuse of the American dream and ideals at its worst.

[JeremyWestenn]

14. Forward it to your supervisor/boss and his boss/supervisor. It is COMPLETELY unacceptable.

And be done with it that way. These people need to get over it. They are no longer the mainstream.

[Book Lover]

15. Advocating the violent overthrow of the federal government ...

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/2385.html

Crimes and Criminal Procedure - 18 USC Section 2385


Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or
teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or
the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession
thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by
force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any
such government; ...

<snip>

... Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by
the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
years next following his conviction. ...

[Seldona]

70. Bingo!

My thoughts exactly. This is a very dangerous person who should be reported to the proper authorities without delay. Advocating overthrowing the American government and genocide of an entire segment of America is textbook psychotic.

[Mikey929]

18. Freak

The guy's a freak.

He'd be hiding in his basement if there was a real war.

[Joey Liberal]

35. I have to say this for the man

He served in the Army (combat arms) and I think he would serve again if called upon to do so. Again, he's a good person who is politically misguided. I think he's been influenced in a negative manner by Rush Slimebaugh, James "I hate you" Dobson, AnnThrax Coulter and Bill O'Really.

Politics aside, I would serve with him in combat, anytime, anyplace.

[Mikey929]

37. OK

OK - so what are you complaining about or posting this for?

[Joey Liberal]

42. Who said I was complaining?

And who the hell are you to ask why I post something on here?

[Mikey929]

43. OK

You are complaining about his email, then you turn around and say what a great guy he is and how you'd be proud to serve with him. So I didn't get the point of your post then.

[salin]

49. yet he advocates the slaughter of Americans, based on their political

beliefs? That doesn't really sound like a "good person" to me. Sounds like someone who has gone off of the deep-end - and could be provoked into acting on those impulses. Though I am presuming he wrote ths - rather than just forwarded something written by someone else. If he isn't the author - he is just a bullying @ssh*le, and whoever wrote it is the one who has gone off of the deepend.

If he wrote it, and you like him - perhaps it is time to gather folks around and hold an intervention. Not to politically convert him - but to get him out of the RW cult of hate.

[noamnety]

67. What do you mean "if called upon to do so"?

It's kind of obvious the military is short-handed. Is he waiting for an engraved invitation?

I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. If he wanted to be in Iraq he'd be there. He's chosen not to.

[BOSSHOG]

19. I'M ALL FOR A CIVIL WAR

jerkoffs like the email sender allow me to freely play my vet card. I vote for liberal democrats and I put my ass in uniform for my country. There is nothing fake about my patriotism or love of country.

The American Dream? Slavery? Rounding up all the Gays? Building a big wall around the country? 210 Million dollar payouts for CEO's?

I got your American Dream right here buddy. Against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC!

[jobycom]

20. Give him my seven year old daughter's favorite response.

"whatever."

[denverbill]

22. What a whining crybaby. Pretty typical right-winger though.

He whines and cries like a baby about how high his taxes are, but would also whine and cry if we cut military spending.\

He probably also whines and cries about how liberals are out to destroy Christmas, but what the fuck would a shithead like this care about Jesus? Anyone who advocates civil war because he has to pay taxes is about as anti-Christian as they come.

This idiot would prefer we go back to the 1870's where 1/1,000,000 of the populace lived in luxury and 1/2 lived in abject poverty, where cholera and other epidemics raged through slums, shit laden streets filled with garbage were the norm, and only 1/2 the people in the country could read. THAT's his utopia. In his utopia, he'd have been lucky to live to be 40.

It was liberals that founded this country (conservatives wanted to keep the king, and later, to make Washington king), it was conservatives who wanted to preserve slavery, it was conservatives who opposed child labor laws, women's right to vote, the 40 hour work week, collective bargaining, universal education, the FDA, and dozens of other things that turned America from a third world country into the greatest country in the world. And if he opposes the laws that made the US into the greatest country in the world, he should move his whiny fucking ass to Iraq, because they have a 15% flat tax, and are in the middle of a civil war, just like he wants.

[Mz Pip]

23. You lost. Get over it.

That would be my response.


Another piece of pointless hyperbole from a sore loser.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[YOY]

24. Please send this to the FBI

This psycho needs to be removed from any social setting.

Don't like the 16th Amendment...go invent yourself an alternative dimension machine and go to the sick sad world where it never existed.

[Warpy]

25. Complain about terroristic threats,

Definitely fink him out at work. This is the kind of guy who will show up armed some day and start shooting at random.

Call the FBI.

Call the cops.

Create a paper trail.

Make a stink.

Call the media.

Obviously, not all these things will work. However, one of them might, and it's worth a try.

Chances are the guy is a cement headed wad of free floating anxiety and hate and general tax whiner who is just parroting Malkin and Coulter. However, he needs to be taught this stuff is wrong. If it takes an arrest to get through the cement, so be it.

[Vickers]

26. Ask that "patriot" how long he served in the armed forces.

All of these basement commandos itching for action always seem to be pacifists when it comes to the real thing. :eyes:

[Joey Liberal]

29. He's a Veteran

I like to think of him as a good, but politically misguided person:)...................

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Did he use your company's computer to send it? Was it sent only to you?

He needs to be reported to HR (if you have one) or file a complaint for workplace harassment with the EEOC. If he is using company owned assets, your RW boss should know that he can also be fined by the EEOC for allowing this type of harassment to go on. If he sent it to all those he thinks are Democrats, then he really can be in deep sh*t.

[stonecoldsober]

28. Does he intend on tracking the new civil war from his basement PC?

Or will he monitor events from across the canadian border?

[baldguy]

32. People who don't want to pay taxes don't deserve to live in a civilized nation.

Tell him he should move to Somalia.

[nini]

34. Did he send it to just you or a group

If it's just you - he's definitely targeting you. Report it to your boss whether he likes it or not. A company is supposed to protect their employees - if he fails to do that seek legal assistance and go after the nutcase and the boss/employer.

If he sent it to multiple people he still needs to be confronted on that. the tone is freaky.


He sounds like the kind of guy we hear about that go into a workplace and go Postal.


Over-reacting to this crap is not possible IMHO.

[Joey Liberal]

36. I don't think he'll go "Postal"

Unless Hillary becomes the next President:)...............Then I may have to start worrying!

[nini]

38. well, be careful

anyone who's nuts enough to send that stuff needs to be watched.


I wonder why someone could get so full of hate and anger to even have that kind of stuff cross their minds. scary.

[Joey Liberal]

57. Thanks nini n/t

[Joey Liberal]

39. A response to DUer's from my right wing co-worker!

“I see that while I advocate disdain for the 16th Amendment, many DUer’s advocate setting aside my 1st Amendment Rights (Freedom of Religion). Just because I pray to my God that Civil War comes to eradicate America of all the socialists, doesn’t mean that He will answer my prayer. Perhaps, some of them are afraid that God just might make things “Right” in America again. Lastly, I’d rejoin the Army if they’d take a diabetic, so I could have the privilege to kill as many Muslim Terrorists as possible and I’m praying for the acquittal of all the U.S. Marines charged with murdering Iraqi’s, because ‘All’s fair in love and war!’



Signed an Angry, Hateful, Homophobic, Prejudiced, Diabetic-crippled, Evangelical Religious, War-mongering, Right-winged, Nut-Job



P.S. If I’m ever unjustly fired, I will leave ‘shooting from the hip’ at those who persecuted and oppressed me. LOL!!

[Kerrytravelers]

41. Political disagreement aside, this guy needs a therapist.

Seriously, having a difference in political opinion is one thing. I can disagree with people's politics, but still have no problem with them as human beings. However, this is beyond a political opinion. This is someone who is desperately crying out for help.

You need to alert someone to this and the follow up email as well. Seriously, this man needs help, not scorn.

[PresidentObama]

44. I'd forward it to the HR department.

You can't let him get away with saying people who share a political view deserve to be hung like Saddam.

[jgraz]

50. Can't he get BOTH help and scorn?

He may be certifiable now, but like most of these people he bears a huge bit of the responsibility for allowing his mind to become so twisted. Many people have emotional problems and they don't pray to their "god" for violent eradication of anyone who disagrees with them.

Sick, sick puppy.

[Kerrytravelers]

51. Well... maybe a little bit of scorn...

:rofl:

[sinkingfeeling]

45. Yes, a follower of Jesus! Just look at how much of Christ's teachings he's taken into

his personal life.

"Signed an Angry, Hateful, Homophobic, Prejudiced, Diabetic-crippled, Evangelical Religious, War-mongering, Right-winged, Nut-Job"

[alfredo]

52. That P.S. is a threat that should be taken seriously.

He is threatening violence if he gets fired.


He needs help or a job in the bush administration.

[jgraz]

53. Scary..."shoot from the hip" at those who persecute him

This guy needs a padded cell and quick

[alfredo]

54. The hard decision

turning him in could jeopardize Joey Liberal's job. there is no assurances that the boss wouldn't side with the wing nut.

[Joey Liberal]

59. The bosses are all right wingers

One has a picture of Cheney in his office. This is a red state - BIGTIME.

[alfredo]

60. Looks like you might have a rocky road if you try to

alert anyone to his violent rhetoric.

[Vinca]

62. Tell him God gave him the diabetes because he's a nasty,

hateful asshole.

[Seldona]

71. Scary.

I am extremely uncomfortable just reading that. I know what it is like to literally be afraid for your life due to a coworker. Take action soon please, if not for you than for everyone in that office or whatever.

[LeftCoast]

73. Um, is it me or did he just threaten to shoot up the office if he was fired?

"P.S. If I’m ever unjustly fired, I will leave ‘shooting from the hip’ at those who persecuted and oppressed me. LOL!!"

You seriously need to forward this to supervisors. This guy is totally unhinged.

[Skittles]

80. OK - Joey?

that guy is a sick freak

[FVZA_Colonel]

46. So we're still being called Communists?

Christ, you'd think they'd eventually think up something new.

[Joey Liberal]

55. Another reply from my right wing co-worker!

More from my right wing co-worker:).............
---------

“I’m amazed at how hyper-sensitive leftists are and hypocritical too. I make an obvious hyperbolic statement that all socialists should be hanged like Saddam and the comments are stretched to allegations that I’m a terrorist needing to be fired, arrested, counseled and sent to jail. Wow!! Maybe the problem is that socialists don’t like being called out as the socialists that they are? Also – and here’s where the hypocrisy comes – socialists don’t want to defeat “real” Terrorists, be they in Iraq or any other country unless they are of a Right-winged nature, of course. Socialists also want atheism as the state religion. Check the copy of The Communist Manifesto, which you all should have highlighted and underlined. Crazy as it would be – if I were actually doing so – I have a 1st Amendment Right to beseech my God to bring Civil War down on our country. I have NO legal right to be the instrument or causation of such events by my conduct in society, but what I petition to Jesus Christ, YHWH, Allah, Buddha, Brahma, the Goddess or Satan is an absolute constitutional right. Sharing with a friend that “I’m praying for Civil War” is much different than stating “Let’s start a Civil War.” Additionally, socialists are undereducated, given their continuing defense of taxing incomes. I have no problem with paying taxes as Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton and Madison envisioned, but I do take a serious issue with paying taxes on my income given the history and lie that was used to pass that amendment. Unfortunately, there is no time to educate here, so socialists will have to continue to be undereducated on this one for now. Just know one thing, “Fomenting ‘class envy’ will lead to the destruction of America” something I truly abhor, especially since I spent 10 years of my life defending a country I used to feel was worth safeguarding. Finally, Mr. “Right-winged Nut-job” isn’t threatening to kill anyone if fired for his exercise of free speech, so allow me to educate some of you on the Idiom, ‘shoot from the hip’ as provided by the English Dictionary.



Idiom: shoot from the hip

colloq
To speak hastily, bluntly or directly, without preparation or concern for the consequences.



Signed an Angry, Hateful, Homophobic, Prejudiced, Diabetic-crippled, Evangelical Religious, War-mongering, Right-winged, Nut-Job



P.S. BTW, I sent to the Democratic Party an email from my home computer, “I hope God smites all socialists in America dead,” on November 7, 2006 and no one has called or knocked on my door yet. I suspect many of you don’t really understand how free your free speech is.”

[annabanana]

56. He really seems to prefer life in fantasy land. .

. ...so steeped in the KoolAid that he may be beyond redemption.

You may just have to rest in the knowledge that his mindset represents less than 30% of the populace and ignore him.

[Contrite]

58. The REPUBLICANS were responsible for the 16th Amendment!

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/16thHistory.htm

Tell this nincompoop to read up. Send him the above.

Oh, and you might also tell him about George Bush's "secret government" being set up for the North American Union to blend the US with Canada and Mexico. He will probably LOVE that.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060919&articleId=3274

[LeftishBrit]

61. This is quite scary

Advocating bloody civil war, or recommending that your fellow citizens be executed for exercising their voting rights, is not the mark of a sane mind.

What is the 16th amendment? Is the one against slavery? If so, that makes him even scarier.

Was this e-mail in response to anything you sent him, or was it out of the blue?

ETA: I discovered that the 16th amendment is actually the one allowing income tax. So not QUITE as bad as what I thought at first, but still nuts!

I also just noticed his second message, which mentions his diabetes more than once. I know that some people can act strangely if they take too much insulin and get hypoglycaemic - could that be the case with him? Though it wouldn't explain the form that the strangeness takes!!!

[Joey Liberal]

64. It was in response to this:

Him - I'd like to see Bill O'Reilly duke it out with any liberal the media has
to offer. Bill with his tall 6'6" frame would probably clean house.

Me - I would volunteer to fight Bill O'Really anytime, anyplace. I would
gladly let him take the first punch:)............. I consider him to be
a fake Irishman.

[Redneck Socialist]

66. He's looking for a civil war over income taxes?

What the hell's he waiting for? Hell, tell him to start in April by not paying his taxes and see how that works out for him.

[wordsmith2007]

68. What if Your Employer Is Right-Wing? Nosy Ones Threaten Our Free Speech

Your co-worker's e-mail, if sent from a workplace computer and/or during working time, is indeed inappropriate and, with many employers, would (and always should) result in discipline for the sender.

But what about *employers* themselves acting as a brake on progressive speech and advocacy from people like us--*even when we're engaging in it on our own time away from our workplaces*?

As a longtime progressive political activist, I have found
that many people, especially in today's deliberately
job-scarce economy, are now hesitant to take part in any form
of political activism--writing a letter to a newspaper,
calling a radio talk show, posting something on the Internet,
taking part in a march or a rally--for fear that their
employer might somehow frown on such actions.

Have any of you ever actually encountered employment
discrimination for your own off-hours political activities,
known of anyone else who has, or merely experienced the fear
of it or encountered it from someone else? If so, tell us
your story on this board. Your experiences--and this vital
issue--matter to us all.

Today, the Internet, credit bureaus, and like means make it
frighteningly easy for employers to snoop into job
applicants' or employees' personal beliefs and activities.

Indeed, five years ago, during a long job hunt after a
layoff, I was once denied a plum job as an editor with a
nonprofit educational association in part because of what the
employer, when I challenged its vague (and
contradiction-ridden) claim of things being simply a matter
of "subtle factors" involving
"fit"--meanwhile, I suspected and alleged sex
discrimination (the editorial department involved was
all-female and stayed so)--called, in McCarthyesque terms, my
"record" of involvement in "controversial
issues," namely, feminism and children's
rights--certainly never brought up in any interview or
correspondence, but found after the "responsible"
employer decided to do an Internet search.

Employment discrimination based on one's off-the-job
political activities, indeed, seems to have risen in our
"Bushed" economy to a level not known since the era
of McCarthyism, with its blacklisting and "political
clearances."

For example, as has been widely reported, including in a
story on CBS's _60 Minutes_, Lynne Gobbell of Alabama was in
2004 fired from her job at a manufacturing plant for having a
John Kerry bumper sticker on her personal car. (After the case
made world headlines, she was offered a job--indeed, one with
health insurance--by the Kerry campaign, but few employees
thus treated are that fortunate.)

This sleazy practice, too, while disturbing and
reprehensible, is in many states (mine included) still legal.


This, coupled with modern technology, leads down even darker
inroads against your and my most basic rights. In the name of
making sure that only the "right" types of people
are hired, perhaps in the name of making sure employees have
the "right" attitudes and, to use that now-favorite
corporate buzz word, are a good "fit" (read: are
sufficiently cowed and properly docile to accept existing
abuses and any possible future ones the employer might decide
to inflict), why not require employees and job applicants to
submit to employer monitoring--don't laugh; the technology
for this is already widely available!--of whatever they, even
(indeed, especially) on their own time and off employer
premises, read, watch, or listen to; who they associate with
and what kinds of organizations they participate in; what Web
sites they visit and what they send or receive online; and the
like?

We can't have employees who read, much less write, postings
like this one, read books like David Sirota's _Hostile
Takeover_ or Thom Hartmann's _Screwed_, or otherwise explore,
much less spread, ideas about "controversial
matters" that the employer might not like, such as
notions about fairer tax policies and a stronger "social
safety net," or--horror of horrors--about (gasp!)
employees and job applicants actually having rights and about
even daring to regulate business to stop privacy abuses, pay
inequities, the destruction of health-care, pension, and
other benefits, or the like, now, can we?

Heaven knows that any such person might actually think--and
question corporatocracy, get others to do the same, or,
perhaps worst of all, even think that decent pay and
benefits, due process on the job, and--gasp!--labor
unions--are good things! Such people might actually start
spreading such ideas to fellow employees and other working
people! Gotta protect that almighty bottom line and the
freedom to select our employees and run our businesses as we
see fit!

The power employers thus wield over every aspect of our
lives--including our ability to seek and win improvements in
our lives at work, in our pocketbooks, and elsewhere--must be
ended.

We need state and federal legislation like California's,
which specifically forbids employers from dictating or
attempting to dictate employees' political activity. Better
yet, every state and Congress should adopt legislation, as a
few states have, protecting the right of employees and job
applicants to engage in any lawful off-hours, off-premises
activities they choose without fear of employment
discrimination.

Generally, such activities are none of an employer's business
unless they pose an actual and substantial conflict of
interest or otherwise materially and substantially impair
one's ability to do one's job. Mere dislike of or
disagreement with a worker's political views or skittishness
about "company image" or possible
"controversy" is not enough.

Ironically, the fear that many workers now have of employment
discrimination based on their political activities is the very
thing that keeps them from taking the steps, both as
individuals and with others, to bring about an end to this
and related abuses. It is also a significant brake on
long-needed, long-overdue social and economic progress in
America--indeed, to efforts to stop this country's headlong
rush, especially under George W. Bush and his ilk, back to
the days of Herbert Hoover--indeed, of William McKinley.

It is time to reclaim your and our rights--before they are
lost forever, before we are all forced to live at the mercy
of out-of-control employers in a nationwide, high-tech
version of the company town that controls not only our work
tasks but our other actions, our minds, and our souls
"24/7." It is not about the bottom line; it's about
power and control. We, the people, must reclaim our rights.

In the famous words of Wisconsin Supreme Court chief justice
Edward G. Ryan, words that indelibly impressed University of
Wisconsin student Robert M. La Follette--later to be widely
considered Wisconsin's greatest governor: "The question
will arise, and arise in your day, though perhaps not fully
in mine: 'Which shall rule--wealth or man? Which shall
lead--money or intellect? Who shall fill public
stations--educated and patriotic free men, or the feudal
serfs of corporate wealth?'" (Of course, I'd prefer Ryan
have used nonsexist language!)

So write your state and national lawmakers, your governor,
and, yes, even President Bush, and urge them all to support
legislation protecting the rights of employees and job
applicants to engage in lawful off-hours,
off-employer-premises activities without fear of employment
discrimination.

Urge them also to replace the dangerous prevailing concept of
"employment at will"--under which an employer,
absent law or contract provision to the contrary, may fire
any employee for any reason, no reason, or even a bad or
morally wrong reason--with a "just cause" standard,
similar to the law now in Montana.

Every worker deserves and has the right to this most basic of
protections. "Employment at will" (read: employment
at whim) literally does mean that "they can fire you if
they don't like the way you part your hair." This, too,
is outrageous. This must end.

As Alexander Hamilton said over 200 years ago, the power over
a person's subsistence is a power over that person's will. The
history of liberty and justice in America has often
involved--indeed, required--regulating and limiting not only
the power of our public governments but the power of such
"private governments" as corporations and other
employers over individuals, their choices, and their rights.
So take action today!

Let's say to employers: Our skills, attention, and loyalty
are yours eight hours a day, 40 hours a week; the rest of our
lives belong to us, and to us alone. For not only ourselves
but our fellow citizens and future generations, we are taking
back our lives, our privacy, and our rights.

For more information about these and related issues, check
out these links:

http://www.workplacefairness.org/

http://www.workrights.org/issue_lifestyle/ld_legislative_brief.html

http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14172&c=132

http://www.aclu.org/WorkplaceRights/WorkplaceRights.cfm?ID=8359&c=178

Let us all know what you think of this.

Thanks for your time and thought--and even more for your
efforts!

"In a certain sense the suspicious Tories and militant
philistines
are right: intellect *is* dangerous. Left free, there is
nothing it will
not reconsider, analyze, throw into question."

--Richard Hofstadter, _Anti-intellectualism in American Life_
(1963)

[Joey Liberal]

69. This has been my experience

During the Clinton years, it was okay for the right wingers to send out e-mails bashing the Clintons. In fact, it's still okay. But, when Herr Boosh took over, those same right wingers got real touchy when I sent out Bush bashing e-mails. So, I have to be real careful. I work for right wingers in the reddest of red states. I do, however, have a DU bumper sticker on my vehicle. And I proud of it! Also, where I work, Air America is blocked, but not Rush Limbaugh.

[LSK]

72. report it to HR and get him fired

You cannot use company resources for "free speech".

[Bake]

74. Who knew that income taxes would spark a civil war?

"Ever since the 16th Amendment ..." That's the one authorizing an income tax.

Typical RWer -- doesn't want to support the country he claims to love.

Bake

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

75. the 16th Amendment was ratified?

[Catherine Vincent]

76. My thought is why would you want to continue being friends with this

screwed up individual? "Swing like Saddam"? :eyes:

[Joey Liberal]

77. Another message from my right winger co-worker

If you want to post another message from me please post the following:

Thank you 'Redneck Socialist' for being honest about your socialistic tendencies in your pseudonym. I'd be willing to pardon you from swinging with the others; however and unfortunately, you'd be a political prisoner for life. Sincerely, the "Restoring Original America Revolutionaries" (ROAR)

P.S. It's not the Vast Right-winged Conspiracy that should frighten you, but the rising ROAR movement should scare the "Hell" out of you. I mean literally, because you all don't really have to go to Hell. Just come to Jesus and He'll set you free from Hell and your socialism.

[MindPilot]

83. So this guy is basically telling you that your life will be spared

if you confess your sins and accept Jesus.

I can't think of any place I've worked where that would be tolerated. Unfortunately any action that HR takes would simply reinforce his delusional worldview.

[hoboken123]

87. Christian?

Is there any way your coworker actually believes he's Christian?

Prima facie, he can't get past Jesus' greatest commandment, never mind the rest of his teachings.

Past that, it seems sad but inevitable that people like this still exist. A friend of mine still froths at the mention of Clinton. Presenting him with facts refuting his long-held beliefs on Clinton have no effect. Maybe this guy's the same way. At least my buddy skips on the 1950s Red Scare lingo, thank god.

But, with your situation...when you mix in his military experience and the physical pain he endures, I just hope you don't work at a fertilizer plant.

[agincourt]

78. This is why I believe liberals,

should form armed militias and train in them. The way I see it is all liberals should be armed. We have a 15-20% brownshirt bully faction in this country and they will screw us just like those nazi pigs in Germany did. Only difference, no one will help us rebuild after WW3. They would be gassing us the same way as the military defeats pile up. All people who believe in democracy should be ready to fight conservatives in the streets. The current crop of conservatives are trying to make us a feudal third world society. They whore traditional American values to get it and they use bullying. We liberals should be arming and training, not complaining to authorities. Cold steel is the only cure for pigcocksucker fascism. I'm tired of that shit wiping their ass with our flag.

[IndyBob]

79. Don't know what to tell you...

I work with a bunch of right-wingers as well. The president of the company has an autographed picture of the Shrub on his wall.

If you and he had not been trading political emails back and forth, it would be pretty clear cut. If I had a post like this coming out of the blue from a co-worker, I would report it to HR or IT. Such messages are not accepted even at my place of work - email is intended for work related functions.

Your "case" against him is weakened, he will pull out "left wing" emails from you, and claim his message was in fun or part of an on-going discussion.

Not to lecture, but work is a place to do your job, and collect a paycheck. You should be protected from unprovoked attacks, of course. I make it a very strict personal policy to keep my mouth shut about politics. Lets face it, you are not going to change anyone's leanings anyhow. It seems no different than hitting on a person sexually, work is a bad place for that as well. That's why I stop at the gay bar after work is done on a Friday afternoon.

[TheWatcher]

81. My response to him would be this:

Some liberals are armed.

He should be careful what he wishes for.

They keep talking, and talking, and talking.

Heaven help them if they decide to get real.

As Robert De Niro once said to Al Pacino in "Heat".....

"I would not hesitate. Not for a second."

Foreign and DOMESTIC.

[techno-nubian]

82. I agree with him on the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

It should be removed...

[ieoeja]

84. Since the 16th enables direct taxation by the federal gov't ...

... and since the fed collects less money per capita from most red states than they do from most blue states, repealing the 16th amendment would be a huge blow for the red-staters! Without the 16th amendment the federal government would have to tax each state proportionate to its population then let the individual states figure out where they're going to get the money.

Given that blue states have a much higher per capita income than red states on average, this would mean much higher taxes in red states. Or, in other words, the poorer a state is, the higher their taxes would be.

But, hey, I live in a blue state, and it is typically the red staters who want this shit, so what the fuck. Let's repeal the 16th!

[Clark2008]

86. No - it is red VOTERS, not red staters who want this shit.

I am a red stater. I live, work and play in a red state. I, however, vote blue.

Please update the divisive terminology.

[ieoeja]

89. Unfortunately, it does not apply in this scenario.

The 16th Amendment enables the Federal gov't to levy income taxes against individuals. Abolishing it would force the Federal gov't to collect their money from each state proportionate to the number of individuals living within that state. As a result people in "states whose national elections have been predominately won by Republicans the past three decades" -- you should lobby the admins to add the simile :redstates: or you'll never get people to stop using short-hand for such long descriptions -- would end up paying higher taxes.

Abolishing the 16th Amendment will affect people based on within which state they live, not by how they individually vote.

[Clark2008]

85. He's mad about income taxes?

How 'bout turning him into the IRS - they get more results than Homeland Security.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Well well, I agree with him on one minor part

a civil war is comming, we have been in the midts of a cold civil war for about ten yaers (this email is proof of it btw)... and cold civil wars usually go hot.

When it goes, his sorry ass will be hiding under a table... he has no clue what the words mean

by the way, do report him to your supervisors and authorities

And I agree, it is time liberals learn how to use a weapon... you may need to use one to defend yourself soon... and that will not be hollywood either

[Joey Liberal]

90. One more from my rightwinger friend.........

How many of you believe and will state in public the following? “Republicans are a bigger threat to this country than Al Qaeda.” I suspect an overwhelming majority of you agree with this statement, but let’s assert that only a simply majority (that’s 51% for those of you educated in the public schools) of you would actually state that in public. My question to those who believe this statement is “What are you willingly to sacrifice to stop the Republicans from destroying America?” If you have real courage – moral and physical, then you should be willing to sacrifice everything. Here’s something that probably most of you will read for the very first time “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.” Ponder those words for a while and read the entire document. It’s enlightening. http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm



America’s greatest challenge isn’t the divide between Red and Blue States or Liberals and Conservatives. America’s greatest challenge is between the educated and under-educated, the energetic and lazy, the capitalists and socialists and lastly the godly and the ungodly. I realize that I’ve made some rather extreme statements, which have obviously offended most if not all your sensibilities and some of those statements were very ungodly and definitely unchristian. To the extent that you took those statements seriously and didn’t recognize them for the hyperbole I intended them to be, I wish to apologize to the under-educated and over-sensitive folks. I must admit that I was surprisingly encouraged to see that some of you recognized the hyperbole and gave valid advice to Joey Liberal, for whom btw I’d jump on a grenade to save his life if we were foxhole mates. I will admit that I’ve learned that there are some educated “Liberals” in this world, but most of you have all proven what I’ve believed ever since I attended my first philosophy class in college many years ago – “Liberals are more driven by their emotions than logos.”



Lastly and you can mark my words – like them or not, there are one of two tragic endings on the horizon for America: 1. Civil War or 2. A complete implosion of American society; leading to a socialistic state where Islam is the state religion. Real Americans should be willing do their part as Thomas Jefferson said, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”. I whole-heartedly agree with that great Democratic-Republican and you should read more of what the “Father” of your party had to say on the subject of liberty and how he dealt with marauding Muslim Pirates threatening commerce when he was the POTUS.” America will become stronger or completely fail based on the future prosecution of the “War on Terror”. I actually pray that the Democratic-controlled Congress is up to this task.



Best wishes to all of you thrifty, energetic people who are not living off of my tax dollars, with the exception of the Warfighters, for whom I’d gladly pay higher taxes to kill Muslims from now until the mission is done.



Signed, an Angry, Hateful, Homophobic, Prejudiced, Diabetic-crippled, Evangelical Religious, War-mongering, Right-winged, Nut-Job.



P.S. This nut-job won’t be fired anytime soon. In fact, I was recently promoted and I’m finally earning the six figure income that I’m worth. Okay, that’s a Bill Clinton half-truth, I was promoted, but I’m only earning a much greater income now than the Captain pay I earned before resigning my Active Duty commission. I resigned, because I couldn’t serve under Clinton as President; a country that would send him to office twice is not worthy of me risking my life to defend, so I guess I’ll suck up the burden of paying confiscatory income taxes in the mean time.

[Bill McBlueState]

91. "simply majority"

:rofl:

that’s 51% for those of you educated in the public schools

Oh, that's rich. 50.1% is also a simple majority. It's just half plus one, whatever percentage that happens to be.

[LeftishBrit]

93. But I thought 51% was a MANDATE!!!

[Bill McBlueState]

92. Civil War?

Tell your buddy to bring it on. The liberals will win the second one, too.

[hoboken123]

94. Indeed

One side fought for traditional values and the status quo...didn't go so well for them last time.

It is sooo quaint how 'socialist' is still being used as though McCarthy is still around. Does this guy get sick thinking about the socialist policies of Bush; the Farm Bill, prescription drug plan, etc...the list is endless.

I wonder how much vitriol he has for Reagan? A Democratic New Dealer Hollywood actor who broke his marriage vows and abandoned his wife and kids...there's no way this guy could've served under him, right?

[butterfly77]

95. This is what this country has come to due to one nut...

in the whitehouse and his friends,do they really think that the Iraqis or whoever in the middle east could change our values or how we worship...