Charlie Rangle to introduce a resolution on the DRAFT tomorrow

[bigdarryl]

Good all these big mouth conservatives will be shacking in there boots if there kids get drafted. the draft would be between 18 to 44 year olds. i bet some CHICK SHIT Dem's will not back this resolution.

[David Dunham]

1. Dumb move. Lots of Dem voters strongly OPPOSE the draft.

[bigdarryl]

2. If people who run there big mouths support this war then we need a DRAFT plain and simple

[stillcool]

3. Absolutely...

How to end a war in one easy step.

[pnwmom]

6. 50,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and we had a DRAFT then.

It took years of demonstrations, and an almost unimaginable number of American deaths, before the protests finally had an affect on the politicians who were determined to continue with the war.

A draft is no solution at all. That's why we got rid of it after Vietnam.

[stillcool]

9. I remember it well...

no preaching required. Allowing other people's children to die, or worse...live in hell for the rest of their days is no solution either.

[pnwmom]

10. I've been doing as much, personally, as I can do. I'm not "allowing"

other people's children to die. I've been fighting against this war since well before it began.

And I am going to "preach" to anyone who thinks that a draft is a simple solution to the war. All it would do is provide Bush with more bodies for the war machine.

[stillcool]

13. the squeaky wheel gets the grease...

and as long as certain segments of society feel secure that their children are safe, their mouths will stay shut as they tsk, tsk, the complete destruction of others lives. In any case it's probably a moot point...as.. if it's necessary no segment of society will be spared...regardless of preaching habits.

[pnwmom]

16. The purpose of the "preaching" is to correct misconceptions

that may cause progressive people -- especially those not familiar with history -- to support a draft.

Many DU'ers have expressed the naive idea that the outcry caused by a draft would immediately cause the Republicans to end the war. It didn't in Vietnam -- not until we had had years of protests and 50,000 deaths. And it won't work in Iraq either. It would just provide Bush with the means to further escalate and expand the war.

[pnwmom]

5. You're not making sense. The Democrats who oppose the war

would also be subject to a draft, or their children would be.

You can't start a draft and have it only affect the people who support the war.

[The Gunslinger]

14. So my kids should go to get your revnege against theese war-mongers

[Lilith Velkor]

20. That's pretty much the idea

A lot of so-called "progressives" are into it.

I don't like this new faction of Democratic chickenhawks. I wish they'd join up and leave us out of it.

[lovuian]

11. I'm one of them and this will not help the Dems it will hurt them

Charles Rangle won't go anywhere but hurt Dems and Americans

My nephew in the air force will be excused early out of the air force so tell me WHY we need a draft Charlie

[pnwmom]

4. I'm a CHICK SHIT Dem then. Because I'll be damned if I support

any Democrat who votes to reinstate the draft. Particularly just at the moment that Bush is pushing for his Iraq war escalation.

[bigdarryl]

7. Pnwmom your not a member of Congress or the Senate that who I'm..

talking about

[pnwmom]

8. You said you bet that "chick shit dems" would vote against

the draft. I know you were referring to Congress members, not to me.

But I'm saying that I'll oppose any Democrat who votes in favor of the draft -- even if that makes me a chick shit dem, too.

[Cascadian]

22. It's all bad timing.

Rangel would make the Democrats look bad if this thing is to be shoved through and I would move heaven and earth to get young people not to comply with any draft particularly with Bush wanting to escalate the situation in Iraq.



John

[derby378]

12. Charlie Rangel is full of shit...

Suppose the draft actually passed. How many of us would be ordered to report for duty and then shipped off to Iraq to die for this piece-of-shit police action?

[The Gunslinger]

15. Maybe not this police action

but they will need lots of bodies in Iran.

[Joe Bacon]

17. DRAFT GEORGE P BUSH!

Make that chicken go fight for his uncle!

[orleans]

18. charlie's bluffing. again. but it's getting people talking. again.

only problem is i tried to google this and couldn't find anything on it.

however, i saw him on tv today --i forget who he was talking to-- and he was saying he would put this on the house floor tomorrow (thursday)

i get it; if everyone had the same chance of going to war then we wouldn't go to war unnecessarily.

so i guess we should be building new jails because the jails will be overflowing w/the "draft dodgers" who will refuse to fight in these stupid ass fucking wars that murder people and make the war profiteers even more rich than they are already

[Telly Savalas]

28. But it's only getting people talking about what a stupid fucking idea it is.

Since roughly 70% of the U.S. population is against the war, wouldn't it make more sense to keep the dialogue focused on how to have fewer troops in Iraq rather than supporting Bush by giving him more fresh bodies to work with?

[FreeStateDemocrat]

19. Just the distraction the pukes pray for, Rangle needs to get his TV time, another egomaniac hack.

[Cascadian]

21. Give it up, Chuck!

Nobody wants the draft! I hope it dies a quick death in the House. People with a brain should be railing against this. This would backfire and make the Dems look bad. Bushco could use this against the Democrats! SAY NO TO THE DRAFT!


John

[Hawkowl]

23. Fucking moron

I don't know what he's trying to accomplish other than to get his ugly mug plastered all over the corporate media with the pundits portraying all dems as crazy as loons. If he's serious he's an asshole to encourage the SLAUGHTER OF PEOPLE under the command of a madman. If he's not serious he's just another grandstanding, pompous, ego maniacal fuck-wad politician.

[ShortnFiery]

25. Wow!

IMO Charlie Rangel is a very thoughtful and humble man.

He has a point: If everyone had to go to war, there would be much fewer of them.

Don't discount the potential good of his actions.

And remember, Rangel is an Korean War Combat Veteran. Therefore, the last thing he's wish to do is beat the war drums for Mad King George. Rather, he's trying to wake up the Republican (and some Democratic) war-mongers up to the fact that the next body bag flown to Dover AFB may contain their son or daughter.

I respect Rangel and, IMO, he knows EXACTLY what he's doing. :-)

[Art_from_Ark]

30. The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Charlie's just adding another layer of asphalt with his cockamamie proposal.

[citizen snips]

24. I'm 18

and Rangle is a dumbass to introduce this bill. He will just enable Bush to wage more wars with the draft.

[election_2004]

26. Pelosi needs to send this to the back of the legislative docket....

...and state unequivocally for the press that a majority of the Democratic Caucus opposes Rangel's legislation.

[Telly Savalas]

27. You can go fuck yourself if you think I should be shipped off to Iraq.

And unless you're fucking posting from Iraq right now, you can go fuck yourself for calling me a "CHICK SHIT" for feeling this way.

If you want people to die in Iraq, then sign up yourself.

[LeFleur1]

29. Draft

I would imagine that the rich Repubs will jump on this and reinstate the draft. Their kids never go.
Rangel has made a terrible mistake. I can't believe he's doing it.
We have a volunteer military right now. Even a person from a poor family is not forced to go to war. If they volunteer, that is their choice.

There are better ways to discuss who is in the military and why. Threatening to reinstate a draft is not the way to do it.
I'm not of draft age, but you can bet your boots on the ground I'll be resisting a draft for those who are of draft age. And any legislator who supports it will not have my vote ever again.

[E-Z-B]

36. A draft will bring about a cultural revolution similar to Vietnam

It will get EVERYONE to finally pay attention.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

31. This is STUPID! Young Voters Will See Democrats as the Party of the Draft!

If you don't think people aren't watching these early days of a Democrat Congress then you are a fool.
The GOP will go to college campuses and claim, "Vote Democrat, get a draft!"

[Donald Ian Rankin]

32. A draft is clearly a bad idea. Introducing a bill calling for one probably is, but that's less clear

That a draft would be a catstrophically bad idea I don't propose to discuss - only a fool could think otherwise.

However "should America introduce a draft?" and "was Charlie Rangel right to introduce a bill calling for a draft?" are not quite the same question.

There is no chance of this bill succeeding, it's purely a matter of playing politics, so the issue is not "is a draft a good idea?" but "will this help or hurt the Democrats?".

I think it will hurt them - empty political grandstanding is nearly always a bad idea - but the claim that it will help them is orders of magnitude less silly that the claim that the draft itself would be a good idea is.

[PVnRT]

33. Yes, let's load the GOP echo chamber gun for them

So much for any accomplishments for the first 100 hours - this will be the story:

"DEMOCRATS SUPPORT RESTARTING DRAFT"

Boy, I'm glad Charlie feels the need to "make his point." I hope he's proud of himself.

[E-Z-B]

34. A lot of people are missing Rangel's true intentions. DON'T JUDGE RANGEL TOO QUICKLY!!!

The passage of a draft would ensure a quick end to the war - it would be widespread disapproval from every corner of the country against Dubya and his war. I'm of draft age, never served in the military, and never want to. But I'm behind Rangel 100%.

[ellacott]

35. Many of you are Cursing Charlie

and you're not understanding what will happen. The reaction that some of you are having is the same reaction as those on the other side of the aisle. Rangle wants the debate. If it comes to a vote most dems and repubs will vote against it.

[Art_from_Ark]

37. Rangel is trying to set fire to his house

to get the debate going about setting fire to houses

[GreenZoneLT]

38. Woohoo! No way they can draft me!

I'll be 45 in a month! Suck on THAT, Mr. Charlie.

Oh, wait. Never mind.