Joe Lieberman: Still a Lying Sack of Shit

[smoogatz]

Bush’s Best Democratic Buddy
Joe Lieberman gives the president a pass on Katrina.

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 8:04 p.m. MT Jan 11, 2007

Jan. 11, 2007 - Sen. Joe Lieberman, the only Democrat to endorse President Bush’s new plan for Iraq, has quietly backed away from his pre-election demands that the White House turn over potentially embarrassing documents relating to its handling of the Hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans.

Lieberman’s reversal underscores the new role that he is seeking to play in the Senate as the leading apostle of bipartisanship, especially on national-security issues. On Wednesday night, Bush conspicuously cited Lieberman’s advice as being the inspiration for creating a new “bipartisan working group” on Capitol Hill that he said will “help us come together across party lines to win the war on terror.”

But the decision by Lieberman, the new chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, to back away from the committee's Katrina probe is already dismaying public-interest groups and others who hoped the Democratic victory in November would lead to more aggressive investigations of one of the White House’s most spectacular foul-ups.

Last year, when he was running for re-election in Connecticut, Lieberman was a vocal critic of the administration’s handling of Katrina. He was especially dismayed by its failure to turn over key records that could have shed light on internal White House deliberations about the hurricane, including those involving President Bush.

more here, if you can stand it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16585614

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. It is imperative that we stress he's not a Democrat

but an Independent. CNN just characterized him that way on the news, and I was glad!

BTW, your title made me sing the "Lying Sack of Cr@p" song from Stephanie Miller.....

[blm]

12. Joe's a Democrat from the Coverup wing of the Dem party. And he's not the only one

Unfortunately, they derive their power from other Dems giving them too many passes.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[mtnsnake]

13. Why do you always try to deride other Democrats when the subject isn't about them?

None of the other Democrats caused a Democrat to lose a state election like Lieberman did.

If you want to talk about "the Coverup wing of the Dem party", shouldn't you just start your own thread or threads on it and fire away?

[blm]

15. Joe is a coverup Dem from that wing of the party. If you believe that is wrong then

refute it using the historic record.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Why do YOU believe that there isn't a group of Democrats who facilitate coverups for BushInc?

[mtnsnake]

16. I didn't say you were wrong. I asked you why you always change the subject

Do you enjoy hijacking threads to make your points about the "coverup" wing of the party, Clinton's closing of the books, and blah blah blah?

Instead of hijacking someone elses thread to make YOUR point, why not simply start some of your own threads to make them???

[blm]

17. This thread is about Joe protecting BushInc. There are consequences for this country

when ANY Dem covers up for BushInc.

If you know my statement about Joe's covering up is correct, then why are you pretending I hijacked the thread when it is ABOUT Joe's coverup for BushInc tendencies?

[mtnsnake]

18. Stop playing games

If you're not going to answer my question about why you don't start your own threads about the coverup wing of the party, then I can only assume you're happy to continue hijacking other people's threads to add your never ending and divisive rhetoric about other Democrats who you deem as evil as Lieberman.

[blm]

20. I commented on Joe's coverup and coverup wing of party. YOU hijacked the thread to attack me for it.

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[mtnsnake]

21. If that's the case, then explain why I already had 2 posts when you came in

and changed the subject. It's simply amazing how you spin things, even this. lol

[blm]

22. YOU chose to attack me for discussing Joe's coverup. I didn't ask you to attack me.

The posts speak for themselves. Please move on from this pettiness.

[mtnsnake]

24. Sorry, but asking you a question is not "attacking" you.

ho hum, it seems you always go this route. When you can't figure out how to respond with anything relevant to the subject or the question, you cry "attack". Yawn

[smoogatz]

30. I just blocked BLM from further replies to this thread/me

Not cool, trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a debate on the Clintons.

[AtomicKitten]

34. it's typical M.O. and a smelly red herring

Block away.

Ironically it was that subset of DU'ers that precipitated the 4-way block because they didn't like their homage threads getting hijacked. Oh, the irony.

[smoogatz]

35. Yep.

I wasn't so sure about the "leave me the fuck alone" feature at first, but I'm kind of grooving on it now.

[AtomicKitten]

36. groove is in the heart

[RiverStone]

38. Loserman may be an Indie in name only...

Peel back the layer and find a rethug who drank Shrub's Kool-Aid a long time ago. He has completely abandoned the party that he once claimed was his. In fact, he is the new GOP poster boy (as Shrub pointed out this week).

I will celebrate the day Loserman is deemed 100% irrelevant to true DEMS. Unless Snowe switches parties, that day will arrive on election day 2008!

[babylonsister]

2. We should all be whining to Reid; Liberman was not picked as

chairman of Homeland Security to be pulling shit like this. I wonder where Susan Collins weighs in?

[smoogatz]

3. He got the committee appointment of his choice, I'm guessing--

otherwise he could easily have decided to caucus with the Republicans. I'm sure that threat was implied, if not overtly stated. In all, it's a better deal for us to give him the appointment--but his refusal to exercise appropriate oversight is an outrage. I wonder how the voters in Connecticut like him now?

[Nite Owl]

5. I get that feeling too,

that is was part of the deal to keep him caucusing with the dems. This seems to have been done early on though, before the election was over and I wonder if it would have made a difference in the outcome if Leiberman had said he would caucus with the gop. Would the people of CT have said the same thing as the voters of RI, would they have wanted a dem?

[mtnsnake]

4. Considering it's Repubs who got him elected in CT, they shouldnt call him a Democrart

I don't know why they still refer to him in such ways as "the only Democrat to endorse President Bush’s new plan for Iraq". I thought he was an Independent who got elected in CT only because all the Republicans in CT threw their support by Lieberman. In that sense, Lieberman should be referred to as a Republican and not even an Independent.....definitely not a Democrat.

[AtomicKitten]

37. He's labeled an Independent on CSPAN.

I hope tee-vee continues to reinforce that label to set him faaaaaaaaar apart from Democrats.

[bullimiami]

6. i really have to wonder whats wrong in connecticut.

mass insanity? drugs in the water supply?

[mtnsnake]

8. Republican voters there threw almost their entire support behind Lieberman

Hardly anyone even knows the name of the Republican candidate for senator there.

[bullimiami]

32. do they realize how stupid that was?

[mtnsnake]

33. But was it?

Republicans realized that regardless of who was running, their own candidate had zero chance of winning in CT, so they did the next best thing. They threw their support behind Lieberman to get him elected as an Independent, thus earning Lieberman's appreciation for future favors. At least that's the way I see it.

[EST]

7. Lieberman's game plan-

now I'm not in possession of any inside information but willing to conjecture-is to be the natural choice for McCain as a running mate in '08.

He has built and is building a mass of points with McCain until the debt is deep enough to guarantee him the slot.

Despite the fact that McCain's mother is still alive at 94, his health is a major question. He has been treated, I think more than once, for a pesky recurrent facial cancer and recently made a side comment about the number of drugs he has to take to combat some other common maladies of wearing out.

Perhaps I am far too cynical, but I would put my money on a triangulation by Lieberman that McCain won't survive his term, should he get one, leaving NoMoJo as president and putative successor to himself.

[mtnsnake]

9. Never happen. The conservative Republican base would revolt

As much as we all despise Lieberman for what he did to Democrats, there are just as many Republicans who don't think Lieberman is far enough to the right of center for their own comfort. Sure, they used to make like he was the only "Democrat" (cough cough) they can stand, but that doesn't mean they'd ever put up with him as their VP candidate for a second.

[EST]

25. You make a good point but they didn't revolt when asked to

support him in his senate run.
If it were sold as the way to get McCain elected by garnering at least a portion of the democratic vote, keeping the executive brangh in GOP hands.
Maybe I'm just too cynical.

[lancdem]

11. I'm wondering that, too

But Lieberman won't be any kind of asset if McCain's trying a "bi-partisan" ticket because every Dem I know can't stand Lieberman. And if Edwards or Hillary win the nomination and pick Obama as VP, the contrast will be absolutely laughable.

[EST]

27. That's true, but I'm reminded that the wanker right cannot

abide Clinton or Obama; the prospect of getting many votes from them for either or both of these, when they have a publiclown candidate is doubtful.

Although DU is not necessarily representative of the democratic party as a whole, there is a considerable number of Lieberman supporters right here, although I've not heard a lot from them with the current mess he's dabbling in.

[WinstonSmith4740]

19. We differ on one point...

I've been thinking those two would hook up as the Repub ticket for '08 for a while. They'll try the big bi-partisan thing, reaching across the aisle bullshit. However, I don't think the ticket will have a snowball's chance in hell. I know, I know. BUSH should have never had a snowball's chance in hell either, but the dems were blind-sided by Rove's tactics in 2000. They had no excuse in 2004.

I, like a lot of folks, kind of liked McCain, even from this side of the spectrum. I knew that we were miles apart on the issues, but I had thought that McCain, if faced with a difficult decision, would decide in the best interests of his country. He has proven me dead wrong. As far as I'm concerned, he has sold his soul for a shot at the big time. Getting his lips off Junior's ass has been an impossibility lately. He hired a real slime ball to run his campaign. And now he's supporting what everyone knows is a failed policy. I don't think he learned anything from the election, and is probably going to end up being Rove's new play toy. And as for Lieberman, what few Democrats may still support him on the national stage will undoubtedly be so repulsed by his actions, he'll lose them, too. People know he's a DINO...he's been a consistent vote for the worst of Bush's policies from the beginning. I mean, think back to the "debate" with Cheney. He spent the whole damn night groveling.

However, I think that McCain/Lieberman may just "back door" their way into the Presidency, kind of like Ford. As the impeachment drums begin to get louder, I think Cheney will to be the next rat to leave this sinking ship for, or course, health reasons. McCain is appointed VP. Impeachment proceeds along, but as no one has a bone to pick with McCain, he will not be included in proceedings (as Cheney surely would have)and he will assume the Presidency with Junior's exit(he'll quit "...for the good of the country. God Bless America."), appoint Lieberman as VP, and our long national nightmare will have to continue until 2008. Otherwise, BOTH Bush and Cheney will go down and you know what that means, right? Nancy Pelosi becomes our 44th President, every neo-con's head will explode, our country will go back to being America, our Constitution will again be proven our greatest national treasure, and these people will be exposed as the fascists they are. And obviously, the men behind the curtains can't let that happen. The PNAC may have "disbanded", but the brains behind it still think they were right about the invasion, they just picked the wrong team to carry out their assignment. They haven't gone away...they're licking their wounds right now and planning their comeback.

So no, I don't think a McCain/Lieberman ticket is electable, but it could still be a reality. And I'm beginning to have nightmares about it.

[EST]

31. Me, too-lots of waking nightmares.

People have short memories and politicians lie, lie, lie.

The old saw about fooling the people includes really nasty assertion that "you can fool all some of the time." (shudder)

We have to keep pushing HARD to return power to the people. Maybe we'll have a chance.

[Bitwit1234]

10. Why doesn't he declare the changed parties

and get it over with. Then the dems can take him off as chairman and put him on bush's shit cleaning committe. That's where he belongs. And just remember he was the dems choice for Vice president. What in the hell would have happened if he had been elected.

[LeftishBrit]

26. 'What in the hell would have happened if he had been elected. '

He almost certainly *was* elected. If he'd been duly installed, then at least he wouldn't have been as bad as Cheney (the devil himself wouldn't have been as bad as Cheney); and I'm sure Gore would not have let himself be run by the vice president, the way Bush has often seemed to be.

[ihelpu2see]

14. Can we Recall Joe in CT!! eom

[peacetalksforall]

23. I'm trying to believe him. I'm trying to raise my expectations and

see if he rises to them. I'm trying to think positive. I won't write the feelings I'm fighting right now.

[smoogatz]

28. You can try to believe in the Tooth Fairy, too.

But it'd be wise to prepare yourself for diappointment.

[mtnsnake]

29. How many inches off the ground do you have your "expectations" bar set?

:evilgrin:

[Imagevision]

39. Lieberman is a repuke smiling at the DEMS....