Edwards plans MLK speech - on Hillary's turf

[JohnLocke]

Edwards plans MLK speech - on Hillary's turf
By Kenneth R. Bazinet--New York Daily News
Friday, January 12, 2007
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WASHINGTON - Former veep nominee John Edwards will make an "in-your-face-Hillary" visit Sunday when he delivers a Martin Luther King holiday sermon at a Harlem church.
The Iraq war will be the Democratic presidential candidate's topic for his "Realizing the Dream" MLK talk at the Riverside Church, a source said.
While Edwards is not likely to mention Sen. Hillary Clinton by name, his remarks will leave no doubt he has the New York senator in mind when he criticizes the war.
"It's about Iraq and the need for people in Congress to engage on the issue," the source said. "He'll push for an up-or-down vote on the war."
Edwards backs Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy's bill to block an escalation of the war, and his Harlem speech will mark the 40th anniversary of MLK's anti-Vietnam war speech.
The ex-senator from North Carolina apologized for his vote in favor of the Iraq war. Clinton, positioning herself as a moderate candidate, has not gone as far since her vote in favor of the war.
The appearance is also designed to give Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) something to think about by demonstrating Edwards' appeal to African-Americans.
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[Time for change]

1. Good for him

We need to see more of that kind of thing from Democrats. And it would be so refreshing to have a President who could admit a mistake.

[oasis]

2. "In-your-face-Hillary"? Isn't she in Iraq gathering data for her gig as member

of the Senate Armed Services Committee?

[BluegrassDem]

3. Uhh...Hey John, you voted for IWR TOO!!!!!!

Does he think black people are stupid? He's going around acting like he was anti-war all along or something. He doesn't have much right to be calling anyone out as he voted for this war like Hillary.

[BayCityProgressive]

4. I agree

he is a little better because he is calling for it's end now, but he sitll voted for imperialism right along with Hillary...he was the fucking co-sponsor!!!!!!!!!! He will support imperialism if he is president as well.

[venable]

8. pay attention

and you wouldnt make suck patently wrong assertions as that he would support imperialism.. there is nobody who is actually listening that thinks that.

pay attention to what he says, not what you think he is saying.

[BayCityProgressive]

30. Why don't you open your eyes

and pay attention to what he DOES. I can say a lot of things, doesn't mean they are true.

[GreenArrow]

33. of course he'll support imperialism

He wouldn't even be considered a serious contender if he weren't likely to do so.

[mtnsnake]

6. Yup. His apology doesn't change a thing, especially since he waited several years

to apologize and only did so when it was politically correct for him to do so.

[venable]

9. somebody has decided to spend some time trashing edwards

how about he only did it when he began to believe that it was wrong. too late for your tastes, but different from a political maneuver, which you accuse him of.

[mtnsnake]

11. You're damn right

If people are going to make like it's such a noble thing to apologize for the IWR years after the fact, then other people are going to stand up and point out the timing of it all. That's not bashing. It's reality.

[venable]

17. fine, but look a little deeper and you might see

that, albeit later than you or I or many others, John Edwards has become one of the most passionate, lucid, unequivocal anti-war voices in this country. If that doesn't matter to you, well, I just don't understand what your motivations are.

[Skwmom]

38. Oh. So his sorry only happened to coincide with plummeting

support for the Iraq War? Trashing Edwards - NO? Setting the record straight and trying to counter the Edwards spin - MOST DEFINITELY YES!

[ruggerson]

32. Jeez, and here we thought you liked Edwards

as you kept claiming in that other thread where you bashed him over and over.

:)

[mtnsnake]

49. I've been consistent

with some exceptions, of course :evilgrin:

[venable]

55. glad you think it's cute

...I know now that you are not to be taken seriously.

ciao for good.

[venable]

7. that's absurd and off-base

and his speech TALKS ABOUT how he voted for the IWR...I hope you feel a lttle premature for your insight that Edwards is trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

[The Count]

14. Does he talk how he sponsored it? Plus an amendment with Joe? Just the 2 of them?

How his speech on Iraq was on W's election website?
How is it off base if he is now masquerading as anti-war while at the same time fueling the fire on another war?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1149572637421&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

[venable]

21. these are lies

your words 'masquerading' and 'fuels' are lies. and I suspect you know it.

[The Count]

43. But the link about the sponsors is a fact.....

[seashorelady]

53. He was invited to the event.

Martin King gave a beautiful introduction to Edwards.

[The Count]

12. Actually, he sponsored the IWR, even worse than Hillary

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:SJ00046:@@@P

All this talk about "positioning" when people are dying is making me :puke:
They never change

[mtnsnake]

15. Yikes, I never saw that list before

Look at the company he was with...the likes of John McCain, Zell Miller, and Jesse Helms. :puke:

[venable]

19. joy o joy

we can trash by association one of the most lucid antiwar voices in the country.

he says withdraw 40-50K today. what say you to that or does that not fit your preconception

how about peace becomes the driving force, not your desire to associate Edwards with Zell Miller?

open your eyes

[mtnsnake]

23. Obviously for you, what's ok for Edwards isn't ok for Hillary

or you wouldn't be whining about Edwards taking a little heat.

If it was Hillary on this list of sponsors, instead of Edwards, one can only imagine how many threads on DU would be dedicated to this very subject.

[citizen snips]

25. does Hillary have a plan to withdraw troops?

[mtnsnake]

26. CNN or MSNBC reported she said that Bush should withdraw troops

because from what she could see in Iraq, that matters there were getting much worse instead of better from what she could see over there. I forget which one of the channels reported it, but I heard that last night.

If any other politician said that while standing in Iraq, there would be 10 threads on it, but since it's Hillary, it gets little play here.

[citizen snips]

44. that does not tell me anything.

C'mon spill it out I want to hear the difference between Edwards plan and Hillary's plan about ending the war in Iraq.

[Clark2008]

50. I'd add something, but I think mtnsnake is doing fine without

my help.

:)

[Skwmom]

35. It's the POLITICALLY CORRECT thing to do now - I don't know about

anyone else but that sure in the heck fits my preconception of Edwards (based on past actions (or lack thereof).

[citizen snips]

16. why don't you critique Edward's plan to withdraw troops?

[venable]

18. These Edwards bashers will not speak to Edwards withdrawal plan

because they are more interested in trashing Edwards than they are in peace. It is convenient for them that he voted for the war, and it is very inconvenient to them that he has become one of the clearest antiwar voices in the country, so they whip up the former and ignore the latter.

for those who have no ulterior motives, Edwards antiwar speeches are a thing of beauty.

.

[citizen snips]

22. its hit and run

when you counter with the status quo there is really no argument left.

[Catchawave]

24. My republicans friends don't care about his "vote"

In fact most are pissed he even apologized...:D

I smell fear :evilgrin:

[Skwmom]

47. Fear. The Republicans sure aren't fearing an Edwards nomination.

Why else do you think the media talking heads like Tweetie cheerleader for him.

The Dean scream will be nothing compared to the Edward's hair video (played again and again courtesy of the media) asking the American public if you trust this man to keep America safe?

[Catchawave]

56. The Hair Video ?

Only time I've seen reference to that is here on DU, like now for instance :rofl:

[Skwmom]

39. No. I can't speak for anyone else but I'm more interested in seeing

that someone is not rewarded for co-sponsoring the IWR - the biggest debacle in U.S. history - one that many generations to come will be paying for.

[Skwmom]

46. Mimicking what the polls show does not = being one of the clearest

antiwar voices in the country.

[Clark2008]

51. I'll speak to it:

A. It won't work.
B. He only uses buzz words that he has heard others say - others who KNOW what the hell they're doing.

[Skwmom]

36. He didn't only vote for - he co-sponspored the IWR. e/o/m

[Catchawave]

5. More information in Video Forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x12529

includes a link to the live streaming of the Riverside event today :hi:

[Mass]

10. Is New York a forbidden field for 08 candidates?

I do not get this idea that only Hillary should speak in New York, only Edwards should speak about poverty, or Gore about the environment.

You could hope reporters consider a presidential race as something a little bit substantial and stop these children games.

[The Count]

13. "Positioning" and "niche" talk should be forbidden in NYC

If I were the mayor....

[mtnsnake]

20. No more than NH being a forbidden field for Obama to muster up support recently.

Good point.

[mtnsnake]

27. While the cat's away....

:evilgrin:

[blm]

28. This is good but why did he not say this last June when there WAS an up or down vote on withdrawal

and the legislation NEEDED bigname Democrats to speak up on it?

Iraq was in Civil War for at least 5 months at that point and EVERY lawmaker in DC knew it at the time.

[Clark2008]

52. Because he changes his tune as it's politically expiedent.

Always has.

Look at his record. It speaks before him.

[usregimechange]

29. Get em John

[ruggerson]

31. Since when is Harlem "Hillary's turf"?

If he was going to her hometown in Illinois or to Hope, Arkansas, I could understand this headline.

But, he's going to HARLEM. In New York City.

I no more associate the Clintons with NYC than I do Orrin Hatch.

Sure, she now represents the state (admirably, I might add) and they live in Chappaqua.

But John Edwards has as much a claim on NYC as Hillary does.

[ElizabethDC]

34. Well, it's part of the state she represents

and I'm pretty sure that Bill's office is in Harlem. But I think they're referring to it as her "turf" because she represents it.

[mtnsnake]

41. "John Edwards has as much a claim on NYC as Hillary does."

But if Hillary went stomping in Edwards's backyard in NC you'd be whining about that, no doubt.

[ruggerson]

48. Not in the least

and if you read my posts, I've done nothing but defend Hillary here against the ABH mob.

[AtomicKitten]

37. Ah, yes, stoking the fires of ugly politics.

Starting out with "on Hillary's turf" and "in-your-face Hillary" is the epitome of "journalistic" bollocks. This is National Enquirer caliber fake rivalry crap for $$$$.

Half the outrage stoked here at DU is based on crap like this and blog blatherings that incite and inflate half-truths and that invented entirely out of whole cloth. More interestingly IMO is why.

Feh.

[onecent]

40. I would LOVE to have John Edwards as our next President. Anyone

that wants to trash him - go ahead - It's your right or prerogative, or whatever.

Bush the DIPSHIT MORON of all morons...had EVERYONE convinced that there were weapons of mass destruction. I was a total minority in my town and workplace and I felt it. EVERYONE ELSE WANTED to follow along with DIPSHIT. including A huge majority of republicans AND DEMOCRATS.

It's difficult to find many that DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE WAR...if you remember.

GO JOHN.....I love ya!

[mtnsnake]

42. Funny that nobody on DU got fooled about the WMD's

by the dipshit of all morons, as you say, but Edwards, Kerry, Hillary, Biden, and Dodd all got fooled according to you. What, are they friggin stupid or something? I don't think so. Each and every one of them who voted for the IWR did so because they didn't have the guts NOT to do it...for political reasons and because the Republicans were jamming the flag and feelings of patriotism down everyone's throats and they were using 9/11 to do so.

[Digit]

54. I would, too

He's the real deal.

[loyalsister]

45. The question I would like to ask is

would he regret his vote if the war went well despite it's imorality?
I hope this is not what it takes for him to discover that something is a bad idea if he is elected president.