You know who I wanna see denounce the war? Its' not just Hillary, or Kerry, or Edwards...

[mtnsnake]

The people I'm waiting to see denounce the war are all the 20-somethings out there. They are the ones who are going to be the chosen people when Bush gets us involved in Iran next.

Here we are arguing about what politician to blame next for either not speaking out at all, for not speaking out strongly enough, for apologizing too late, for not apologizing at all, and for yada yada yada. That's fine and dandy, and makes for healthy discussion, but the only way this thing is going to get solved is if hordes of young people start mobilizing and get out there in Bush's face, especially the kids on college campuses across the country, just like they did during the times of Vietnam. And I'm sorry, but signing online petitions from the warmth of their computer rooms just won't cut it.

I'd be glad to join them, too, out there, but they're gonna have to get it started because it's going to be their fight. Widespread demonstrations against the war would go a long ways toward stopping the madness in its tracks before that all-too inevitable draft takes place.

They'll still have plenty of time to party, but these kids of fighting age have to get off their apathetic computerized iPod asses and start making efforts to get out there in the streets and make some news ASAP...for their own fucking good!

[DaveinMD]

1. this demographicq

is voting Democrat in much larger numbers than the previous generations. They are also voting in larger numbers.

[WindRavenX]

3. howdy stranger

:hi:

[DaveinMD]

6. hey Gen

how's it going.

[WindRavenX]

9. graduating in May

Then moving to Utah. Please pray for me.

[DaveinMD]

11. It will be ok

there are a few liberals in Salt Lake. Are you going to be teaching there?

[WindRavenX]

12. if all goes well, I'll be teaching biology

That'll be a hoot..

ps, sorry about the giants. I heard that game blew.

[DaveinMD]

13. the game sucked

as did the second half of the year.

You must be smarter than me. I could barely pass a science class, let alone teach one. I'll be at the baseball site a little more once spring comes around.

[mtnsnake]

15. JAYEEESUS, this is just what I mean

Here I am trying to get kids thinking about getting out there into the streets protesting, and the best I'm coming up with so far is to inspire a chat-in between students with visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads. ARRGGGGHHHHhhhh!!

[DaveinMD]

18. I am hardly a student

I am 35 years old, and father of a two year old. I haven't seen talked to my friend Gen in a while, so we talked here. And of course, you ignored my factual comment about the demographic in question. You are out of line.

[WindRavenX]

2. hi, lots of us 20 somethings are doing just that

Please rethink bashing all of us-- many of us are involved in anti-war activities and have been a long time.

[mtnsnake]

4. I'm grateful for what YOU are doing, but not enough of you are doing enough

I don't see enough of you doing anything together yet. Picture in your minds eye thousands of protesters marching through the streets in various cities across the country, making news, mobilizing on campuses, getting in Bush's face like annoying gnats on a hot summer day...

[WindRavenX]

5. just because it isn't in the news doesn't mean it hasn't been happening

In Boston there are usually monthly protests involving all the local colleges, and usually it's in the 5K plus range.

Trust me, we are pissed and doing something about it.

[mtnsnake]

7. Just keep up the good work. It's gotta get even bigger

Good job!

[KKKarl is an idiot]

19. The reality today is the fact

that those protesting children of the Vietnam war have grown up got a mortgage, 3 vehicles, 2 kids & 3 pets. They are now republicans or independents who vote republican (Not everyone who protested the war ended up like this, but I believe the majority did). There kids have been spoiled rotten & their parents never told them what happened during the Vietnam war. Mobilizing most of the this bunch is going to hard because a lot of them only care about their Cell phones & I-Pods (once again not all of them are like this, but certainly a majority are). I think Charlie Rangels suggestion is the best: Bring back the draft. That will get them thinking & bring them out in the streets in large numbers protesting this war & any coming war.

[midnight]

20. You are so right about the spoiled rotten thing. Even the kids

whom Opera assumes are poor enough to receive her money for an education won't get it, because Opera says they want things.

[Bitwit1234]

8. Most of you are not old enough

to remember the Viet Nam War. Well the 20' somethings you are talking about now, were the ones protesting. They were protesting the draft, they were protesting the war, they were protesting everything. There were so many protesting the war in DC they were a wall of humanity and hanging from the statutes....we even had streakers...(standing still).

If there was to be a draft all those little republicans would be right there protesting also. Those whose daddy's couldn't get them out of the draft. Like maybe the republican politicans.

[mtnsnake]

10. Good post. It's so hard for today's 20-somethings to imagine what it was like

back then. So many of those people practically made protesting a way of life.

[BeatleBoot]

14. Edwards has been denouncing it for how long now?

I personally saw him apologize for his vote at my County Democrat picnic this past summer.

But you make a good point.

They won't get up off their butts until there is a draft, unfortunately.

[nealmhughes]

16. My oldest nephew will soon be 21, his brother will be 19 soon.

Sometimes they and their friends deign to allow me to "hang" with them in between pizza, soda, and going out for cigarettes and those incessant video marathons, they are a bunch of OK kids, but the one thing on their minds besides some chick who has texted them and not texted back after thier reply, whether Payton Manning is God or not, seems to be "How fucked we are going to be when Bush sends us to Iran."

By the way, the other day, my older nephew asked me about Marxist political theory and I mean in detail -- a lot of it couldn't remember! He has suddenly gotten very politically aware, and I credit Colbert and Stewart for this...

Twenty-somethings do watch them, the same as 30,40 and 50-somethings do...

[elocs]

17. 18-24 year olds talk a good show, but most cannot be bothered to vote.

In the 2004 presidential election only 47% voted. less than any other age demographic. I have seen it touted how young people are going to make a difference in elections since 1972 when I first voted, but I have never seen it actually happen on a national level.

[Firespirit]

21. Funny thing...

The age group that you name is the most reliably Democratic and liberal of all age groups. Even in the deep South, young people vote Democratic far more than their parents do.

I would like to see more washed-up boomers, the ones who actually have political and financial power, denouncing the war. Cindy Sheehan is a start.

There is an unpleasant fact that a lot of boomers seem not to understand. If young people make too much noise on a college campus, they get punished. Arrested, sometimes. Let's not forget the library incident some weeks back. Such things are on the record forever. And we're a pragmatic bunch -- why ruin your record over an action that will not matter?

Yes, it is a complete waste of time to protest this war. I realize that this is likely to get me flamed, but if anyone honestly thinks that marching into Washington will put a stop to it, they need their head examined. The vast majority of the country is against it. Congress is against it. Even parts of the Republican Party are against it. It doesn't seem to bother this delusional nutcase in the White House.

Protesting the war will not put an end to it. I have, reluctantly, come around to the conclusion that impeachment is the only thing that will.