Two people have to drop out and fast

[ringmastery]

Clark's running third in both southern states he had to win. It's effectively over for him. It's unfortunate he didn't drop out last week as much of his southern support may have gone to Edwards and there would have been a sufficent challenge.

I don't think Dean will drop out after Wisconsin, but he should. A two man Edwards-Kerry race going into the two weeks before Super Tuesday is what has to happen for there to be any way to stop Kerry. And it's still a longshot.

With 2 or 3 competitors splitting the vote, Kerry will coast from here on it. He'll win every primary.

That's a reality.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. What's with the Kerry bashing?

.

[ringmastery]

2. How is this bashing?

I didn't say anything negative about Kerry.

[fleetus]

19. First read is negative... here's a suggestion to change it.

I got the same impression that you were against Kerry. Here is why:

A two man Edwards-Kerry race going into the two weeks before Super Tuesday is what has to happen for there to be any way to stop Kerry.

Implying that he must be stopped seems negative to me.

If you're trying to approach it from a sheer statistics point of view and you're just hypothetically saying "IF" we wanted to stop Kerry this would be how to do it, then you should clairify in your origninal post that you have nothing against Kerry and it's just a hypothetical.

[RobertSeattle]

4. Fruedian Slip?

Clark => Kerry ???

[liberalnurse]

8. If there is a hidden productive thought.....

then please share. Empty accusations are impotent. Enlighten the group.

[Padraig18]

3. Dean should stay in!

He has a message that this party needs to hear!

[liberalnurse]

9. Dean is staying in......

I'm working hard too! Ohio has a team of supporters out in force.

[Padraig18]

13. Same here in IL!

We're actually liking the idea that our primary could be relevant, for a change. ;)

[Justice]

5. Maybe Kerry Will Coast Because He is The Person People

Want...imagine that.

[Exgeneral]

6. just curious about something

HOW is Edwards, who is running dead last in delegate count, aside from Kucinich and Sharpton, poised to do better than either Clark OR Dean?

The loss by Edwards of the southern states he had to win seems to me to be evidence enough it should be HE who drops out.

[ringmastery]

11. because the media likes him

he's the most telegenic. In a two man race, he has a real chance, especially considering most of the campaigning on the 10 super tuesday primary states will be on TV.

Also, he's the only candidate other than Kerry to have won a primary DECISIVELY.

[Justice]

15. So We Let The Media Decide?

[Democrats unite]

26. Oh because the media likes him thats a good reason.

NOT!

[RafterMan]

7. Why

Why would I want to stop Kerry with Edwards?

[mlawson]

10. It's too late, I think.

Terry McAuliffe says he 'can't wait for bush to have to debate Kerry....'. The DNC has obviously decided they want Kerry to be the nominee (which I have predicted now for a year). Even alone, Edwards couldn't overcome the tremendous advantages the DNC can afford Kerry. After tonight, the endorsements of Kerry will turn to flood levels. It's over.

[11cents]

12. Why would anyone want to stop Kerry for the sake of Edwards?

For those who want a decisively antiwar candidate, Edwards offers nothing. For those who want an "outsider" candidate, Edwards offers nothing. For those who want a candidate with foreign policy heft, Edwards offers less than nothing. Kerry has more substance all around.

So take the proselytizing elsewhere. Where it will do no more good. Kerry will be the nominee, and I for one will back him.

[mlawson]

17. What proselytizing?? I said it's over.

Who asked you for this gratuitous attack on Edwards, either? What do you mean, Kerry has 'more substance'? Today he backed off the AWOL charges against bush (ABC News: I saw his statement). That is NOT the way to win a general election -- it shows that he buckles under to pressure, something that Rove's pack animals will smell in a second.

[11cents]

20. I intended to respond to the original poster, not to you, mlawson

Sorry for the confusion. As for a "gratuitous attack" -- when I say Kerry has more substance than Edwards, I am merely stating my opinion. Edwards is at sea on foreign policy.

[spooky3]

because some of us feel Edwards is better on the issues, and has far more

appeal to a broad range of voters, is a better speaker and debater, than Kerry--in a nutshell. I like his character and his intelligence. I like his lifetime of success built on his own hard work. I completely disagree that Kerry has more substance. I couldn't care less about the "outsider/insider" issue.

We're entitled to our beliefs as much as Kerry supporters are entitled to their beliefs about why they think Kerry is the superior candidate.

[SEAburb]

14. Edwards is just running for VP now, so he should be the one

to drop out. He won't challenge Kerry on any issue. In a two candidate race between Edwards and Kerry, it would be a cake walk for Kerry.

Maybe that's the way the insiders want it.

[tishaLA]

22. If that's true,

I guess the person who said "being vice president isn't worth a bucket of warm spit" was right.

[spooky3]

16. Take a look at the exit poll results for VA, on CNN site.

The largest % (27%) said the most important candidate quality was whether the candidate can beat bush. Of those picking this, they went overwhelmingly (77%) for Kerry. To the extent that these results are meaningful at all, they suggest that Dem. voters are not picking Kerry for his qualities, other than experience. These voters better be darn right about in their predictions about what non-Democrats are going to do, because otherwise they are putting someone in the role of nominee who is not going to motivate voters to get to the polls.

[jpgpenn]

18. PSST.. Edwards is a Trial Lawyer, Clark is a 4 Star General...

Please don't let the media's blackballing Clark and pumping up Edwards detract your judgement! Trail Lawyer vs 4 Star General!

[Padraig18]

21. 2 successful professional men.

That's what I see, and so would most people.

[jpgpenn]

32. 1 who made millions on the heartache of others and 1 who...

Could have easily made multi millions on brillance and talent but chose instead to make under $100,000 his entire career and devote his talents to the good of our country!

[Padraig18]

39. Oh, please!

That's about the least charitable view I've ever heard of John Edwards! What is it that personal-injury lawyers DO, one must wonder... :eyes:

Clark is having his head handed to him by Edwards, and all the pissing, whining and moaning in the world isn't going to change that.

[jpgpenn]

43. Truth Sucks doesn't it?

To bad some couldn't just change what they did with their lives or change something on paper to show themselves in a much profound light!

Lifetime actions, show true charcater in all people!

[Sandpiper]

44. Funny you should mention that

Lifetime actions, show true charcater in all people!

And how long was Clark a Republican supporter?

[Padraig18]

46. Too bad that doesn't translate into votes, huh?

:)

[Sandpiper]

23. Please don't denigrate the legal profession

Last I heard, the Association of Trial Lawyers of America wasn't responsible for the deaths of 8000 civilians in Iraq.

[Democrats unite]

27. We don't have to, they do it all on their own!

[Sandpiper]

38. Yeah, those weasels

Why can't they be heroic like the military and...

bomb children. :eyes:

[jpgpenn]

36. I did and I will

The last thing America and the World needs is a career Trail Lawyer trying to find a clue in domestic and world affairs!

[Sandpiper]

42. And the last thing America and the World needs

Is some "born again" democrat who's a military industrial complex insider and who happily stumped for Nixon and Reagan.

[jpgpenn]

45. "born again" huh?

You mean when He voted for Clinton and Gore? You mean his being registered as a lifelong INDEPENDENT!

Is this what you mean?

[HFishbine]

47. And you're missing the obvious alternative to both

The pragmatic populist.

[jpgpenn]

49. What does that have to do with...

the price of eggs?

[nankerphelge]

41. Leave the lawyer bashing to the republicans please

Other lawyers: Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Thurgood Marshall.

[donco6]

24. As the money goes, so goes the nomination.

Kerry and Edwards have become the "sure bets" and will begin garnering all financial support. Dean still has his web network, but those donations will dry up fast without at least one win.

For good or ill, I believe it's time to support Kerry/Edwards, if he's willing to play second fiddle.

[sadiesworld]

4 star general vs trial attorney

Maybe not critical to DUers but of some import to these voters: independents, moderate republicans and veterans?

[donco6]

33. It's obviously not that important to the majority of voters

in the primaries and caucuses. What's going to change between now and the convention? Lots more money spent on candidates that will not be around to fact Bush head-on. What a waste of resources.

We need to wise up.

[markus]

25. I'm not "Stop Kerry" I'm a Dean guy

So explain to my why I would want Edwards to be my candidate?

He's got great position papers and a great stump speech, but on close examination I don't see where in his detailed program he delivers on his stump speech.

I really don't see how more tax breaks for business in problem areas is going to end poverty in American. It's going to take something more drastic (includign significant cuts at the Pentagon, which he opposes) to do it.

So, if my choice is Kerry--warts and all--or Edwards wartless made-for-TV candidacy, I'm rather try the frog prince.

[revcarol]

28. Oh, I'm so irritated.

Second thread today saying maybe someone should drop out!!

Why not let DEMOCRACY take its course? UNLESS all of a sudden a dictatorship is in order?

[donco6]

30. Simply sensible strategy.

Yes, fight to the end. Go down nobly. Blah blah.

I'd really rather just win.

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[Tim_in_HK]

31. You imagine

that those of us who support Clark think that Edwards is a better choice than Kerry. That's not necessarily the case.

[Streetdoc270]

34. Why must I be disenfranchised?

Let me and people in the other 40 states decide who we would like to vote for! Why must anyone drop out? It is still very early in the primarys what if the next 15 states come out in favor of Dean, or Clark, or anyone! We shoulden't concede the nomination because only 10% of the Democrats in the US have voted!!!!!!!!

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

35. Just heard Clark is dropping out after tonight

[mmonk]

37. Edwards is not going to be

the nominee I bet. So give up asking for others to withdraw.

[aquart]

40. NOBODY has to drop out.

If Kerry's winning on "electability" perception, others dropping out won't change the perception.

And Kerry, who is not my choice, is NOT the enemy. He's just a Democrat.

The enemy is Bush.

[knight_of_the_star]

48. Think again

Nothing from the state official site has come in yet. And only 1% of the votes have been tallied. Anything can STILL happen in Tennessee.