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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:02 PM
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Clark: "I think the union movement it the real secret weapon of the American economy."
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 09:30 PM by Clarkie1
General Wesley Clark at UAW Local 1314 in Huntsville AL
January 15, 2007

I think our labor unions have a vital role in this. Our labor unions have to be strengthened. We need the ability to do real training,

(Applause)

And real education through the unions.

(Applause)

I think the union movement is the real secret weapon of the American economy. We just have to turn it loose.

Some of you may not believe that, cause you’re not applauding... or maybe you’re stunned in amazement that I’m saying this (laughter). But I’ll tell you why.

Because what I discovered in the Army, was, and I’m not just an Army guy, but I’ve thought about these things, and I’ve watched them through organizations. People have to have a coach. They have to have some help. When you lose a job in America, there’s no one out there for you. Oh, you can go to the state or county employment office and say, “Are there any jobs?” but no one’s really there FOR you.

Our union movement, reaching across this country, knows where job openings are. Knows what skills are required. Can bring people together and provide the training, provide the medical assistance that’s required as transition, aid in the movement of household goods and baggages. You can become, in the union movement, what we do for our soldiers in the Army, you can do for America.

(Applause)

You can make labor mobility real in America.

More here...
www.securingamerica.com



Edit: I decided to also include Clark's position paper on labor during the 04' campaign below for those who are interested:

Standing Up for America's Workers
Protecting workers's rights to bargain collectively for the greater good

The history of American economic progress is largely the story of laborers who banded together into unions, in
order to bargain collectively for the dignity, respect, wages, and benefits they deserve. I understand the lessons that this
history provides. And that is why standing up for workers and unions will be one of my highest priorities as president.
President Bush’s record on labor is abysmal. He has taken every opportunity to weaken unions and set back the
cause of workers’ rights. As President, I’ll take the important and long-overdue steps to assist American workers achieve
better wages and benefits, access to health care, and a greater say in their working conditions. Here’s what I’ll do:

1. Raise the minimum wage. The real value of the minimum wage has declined 25 percent since 1979. A living
wage for all workers was the right idea back then, and it’s the right idea now. I support raising the minimum wage
– and ensuring that it keeps pace with the cost of living in the future.

2. Empower workers to organize. As president I’ll push for a “card check” law, requiring employers to recognize
unions once a majority of workers have indicated their intent to unionize.

3. End union-busting. Harassment, intimidation, and firing of would-be organizers is, unfortunately, not yet a relic
of the 1930s. It happens today. My administration will be vigilant in identifying and prosecuting such illegal
activity.

4. Retain Federal wage provisions for workers. The government should set a good example for all employers
by paying fair wages and benefits. The Davis-Bacon Act requires that federal contractors pay their workers
local prevailing wages. The historic Fair Labor Standards Act solidified legal protection for overtime pay. As
President, I’ll protect these vital safeguards from those who want to dismantle them.

5. Protect workers on the job. The Bush Administration has instructed the Occupational Safety and Health
Administration (OSHA) to ease penalties on employers who expose their workers to hazards on the job. Bush has
also attempted to cut funding for OSHA, which employs fewer inspectors now than it did in 1980. These reckless
policies put all workers at risk. I support stiff penalties for employers who violate the law, and increased funding
for OSHA and its companion research agency. And I’ll replace the Bush Administration’s weak, voluntary
ergonomics standards with real, enforceable rules that protect the health of American workers.

6. Promote free and fair trade. Trade has the potential to raise living standards both here and abroad, but we
must ensure that the terms of trade are fair, and that we are competing on an equal playing field. Labor rights
are human rights, and I’ll treat them that way -- internationally-recognized core labor standards must be central
elements of all new trade agreements. We must also improve our enforcement of labor provisions in existing
agreements. Finally, we must be vigilant in our approach to unfair practices outside of the treaty context. For
example, Bush has failed to prevent China from manipulating its currency, hurting American workers. As
President, I’ll do better.

7. Increase access to health care. My health care plan provides every single American with affordable access to
health care. The plan reduces premiums for many who already have insurance through a system of tax credits.
For workers without employee-sponsored health care, I also propose a new, low-cost insurance option: access to
the same federal health care plan provided to members of Congress.

http://www.clark04.com/downloads/pdf/Clark04_AmericasWorkers.pdf
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:06 PM
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1. Clark just makes too much sense
People will never go for it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:53 PM
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41. The people will go for it, it's the politiwhores that he has to worry about.
they are the ones that fear what he may do to their nice little scams, and thereby upset all those grand illusions.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:06 PM
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2. Thank You Wes
As a union member, I appreciate your comments so much. This country needs Wesley Clark, period.:patriot:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:07 PM
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3. I agree.
At the current rate, with manufacturing jobs disappearing, the only way workers who are being pushed into the lower-paid service sector can recover wages lost collectively is to unionize. You think a company like Wal-Mart is too poor to pay a living wage? You can outsource manufacturing, but you can't outsource the cashier register at the checkout counter.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:07 PM
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4. The General is right-on as usual.
:)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:07 PM
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5. score a BIGGIE for Clark....
Damn-- now THAT is what I want to hear from liberal politicians. Screw the security state stuff-- support for labor is the shiznit!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:09 PM
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6. Thanks Mike : )
"Shiznit," cool:) :smoke: :hi: :thumbsup:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:18 PM
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7. While he wasn't my fav in 2004 (but I liked him) I was very
sad when he exited the race - he really brought something to the race. I have gorwn to appreciate him more. I would love to see him run. Not *yet* a "Clarkie" - but I could be brought over to being a strong supporter. Very good words to hear. :thumbsup:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:19 PM
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8. I love this guy!!
As a union member, "right on Wes!".
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:20 PM
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9. nice idea-but-the employers have the
upper hand in any union organizing of thier business. make it a level playing field and more people will unionize.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:01 PM
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14. Not as easy as you'd think.
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 10:01 PM by 8_year_nightmare
It wouldn't be unusual for employees to have their pictures taken during an organizing effort. They may not get fired for taking part, per se, but the employer could find another reason to get rid of those trying to unionize.

Clark understands that:

End union-busting. Harassment, intimidation, and firing of would-be organizers is, unfortunately, not yet a relic
of the 1930s. It happens today. My administration will be vigilant in identifying and prosecuting such illegal
activity.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:49 PM
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10. I love this man!
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 09:55 PM by 8_year_nightmare
There is so much industry where I live, so I can speak from experience about what a difference unions make in regard to the workers' standpoint. During the years when unions were strong, workers got a yearly standard-of-living raise between 8.5% & as much as 14%. Even those industries that weren't unionized benefited indirectly from union leveraging, due to the fact that industries' pay & benefits are generally kept at a competitive level. The benefits were excellent then, too.

That changed drastically during Reagan's presidency. In fact, that was the beginning of layoffs in our area, although the raw materials made by these industries are integral to so many consumer products that people generally can't live without. In other words, the layoffs weren't necessary because the companies were losing money; quite the contrary, these companies were making lots of money, but they just wanted to keep more of the profits by cutting costs. That includes less benefits, but worse, employees are given twice the amount of work, supervisors have been removed so that employees have no one to arbitrate any disparities that come up...the list goes on.

Unions benefit everyone, not just those who belong to unions.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:57 PM
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11. I agree with his 7 points
It's definitely a step in the right direction...
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:59 PM
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12. "labor mobility"
Take note of that for when some other candidate swipes it, lol.


Good old Clark, sees a problem, sees an out of the box solution that could really help, communicates thusly. We wouldn't quite know what to do with that kind of leadership in this country, but I think we could get used to it.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:35 PM
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44. I frequently hear others ripping off Clark's words and ideas. "There's no military solution in Iraq"
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 04:36 PM by tblue
is just one example. Now all the Dems are saying it. Kerry lifted a lot from Clark in '04, as I very clearly recall.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:59 PM
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13. This is why my Union Local endorsed him in the '04 Primary.
Nothing like leadership with common sense.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:08 PM
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15. What do we do in right-to-work states?
I think those laws are horrible. We really need some changes.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:12 PM
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16. Kucinich
Clark and Obama are the three that I am considering right now. Hillary, Edwards, Kerry, Dodd.....no way in fucking hell. I'll vote 3rd party before voting for a war enabler.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:13 AM
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32. we certainly do
I hate this shit where an American's job security depends on the state he or she lives in. We're all Americans, so state laws should reflect the fact that this isn't some underdeveloped backwater.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:58 PM
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42. Make your state abandon this obscenity. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:25 PM
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17. What a waste it would be if he didn't run again!
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 10:26 PM by jenmito
I hope he runs! He can win this time (and last time he could've/should've won, too). Does anyone know if he's seriously considering it?
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:30 PM
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18. Where does Clark fit in with this group
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:43 PM
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19. UGHHH
clark supports this?!!??!?!? aRE THERE ANY CLEAN dEMS BESIDES woolsey, Kucinich, Waters ect!?!??! Jesus H Christ!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:00 PM
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22. He was a board officer in 2005, as you can see from your link.
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 11:26 PM by Clarkie1
"In 1983 President Reagan announced the creation of the National Endowment for Democracy to support political groups in target countries that would contest left-of-center organizations and political parties. NED would do this, according to Reagan, by supporting “the infrastructure of democracy—the system of a free press, UNIONS, political parties, and universities—which allows a people to choose their own way, to develop their own culture, to reconcile their own differences through peaceful means."



Have you read this yet? You might find it helpful if your goal is to further educate yourself on Clark's views of America's role in the world.

Broken Engagement
The strategy that won the Cold War could help bring democracy to the Middle East-- if only the Bush hawks understood it.
By Gen. Wesley Clark

Excerpts:

And the neoconservative goal was more ambitious than merely toppling dictators: By creating a democracy in Iraq, our success would, in the president's words, "send forth the news from Damascus to Tehran--that freedom can be the future of every nation," and Iraq's democracy would serve as a beacon that would ignite liberation movements and a "forward strategy of freedom" around the Middle East.

This rhetoric is undeniably inspiring. We should have pride in our history, confidence in our principles, and take security in the knowledge that we are at the epicenter of a 228-year revolution in the transformation of political systems. But recognizing the power of our values also means understanding their meaning. Freedom and dignity spring from within the human heart. They are not imposed. And inside the human heart is where the impetus for political change must be generated.

The neoconservative rhetoric glosses over this truth and much else. Even aside from the administration's obvious preference for confronting terrorism's alleged host states rather than the terrorists themselves, it was a huge leap to believe that establishing democracies by force of Western arms in old Soviet surrogate states like Syria and Iraq would really affect a terrorist movement drawing support from anti-Western sentiment in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere.

Perhaps most fundamentally, the conditions of the Middle East today are vastly different from those behind the Iron Curtain in 1989. And the fact is that the Soviet Union did not fall the way the neoconservatives say it did.

<snip>

We can't know precisely how the desire for freedom among the peoples of the Middle East will grow and evolve into movements that result in stable democratic governments. Different countries may take different paths. Progress may come from a beneficent king, from enlightened mullahs, from a secular military, from a women's movement, from workers returning from years spent as immigrants in Western Europe, from privileged sons of oil barons raised on MTV, or from an increasingly educated urban intelligentsia, such as the nascent one in Iran. But if the events of the last year tell us anything, it is that democracy in the Middle East is unlikely to come at the point of our gun. And Ronald Reagan would have known better than to try.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.clark.html

If you'd like to discuss the topic you raised in another thread, you are welcome to start one, but I'd prefer to keep this thread of mine on-topic, so please be considerate of that fact. I'm not clear on how the point you raised is related to Clark's support for organized labor. Thanks.

:hi:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:09 AM
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23. Actually, this is a good place to start...
"A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA" Allen Weinstein, one of the guys who helped establish the NED.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

Given these facts, I really don't see his endorsement and participation in this organization as a plus, more like a black mark, a BIG one.

So far, the three organizations that Wesley Clark has recommended to be used to "spread democracy" interfere with internal politics, endorsed coups, death squads, etc. so forgive me if I think he is either ignorant of this, or simply doesn't care.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:19 AM
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24. This is a smear.
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 12:33 AM by Clarkie1
You are making unsubstantiated inferences and insinuations by attributing any wrongdoing done by the CIA in the past 50 years to Clark. Please stay on topic or leave my thread...I'm asking you nicely.


Today, “NED continues to focus many of its resources on the remaining communist and authoritarian countries such as China, North Korea, Cuba, Serbia, Sudan, and Burma. NED maintains a long-term, flexible approach that takes advantage of any realistic opportunity to advance democratic ideals, defend human rights, and encourage the development of civil society.” Most of NED’s funding goes to organizations within targeted countries, but since its founding it also had a strategy of working with “democrats in exile,” notably Cubans and Tibetans.


If you want to start a thread on the NED, fine. This is a thread to discuss Clark's support of organized labor, please be respectful of that.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:40 AM
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31. Actually I like what I've been hearing about Clark
My question was not intended to be a smear at all but I was hoping you could shed some light on that background In order to support any candidate we need to know as much as we can , NED wasn't my interest it was Clark, and I appreciate the information that was shared, I have been supportive of him and will continue to do so. Thanks
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:30 AM
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26. Multi Headed Organization with a lot of Liberal Democratic Party support
It really is made up of distinct foundations. The Republican Party has one, Big Business has one, Big Labor has one, and the Democratic Party has one. They opereate rather independently, but the Democratic foundation that is associated with it has done mostly good work. Others haven't, to say the least. All institutions are subject to curruption and all around evil doing in the hands of the wrong people, just look at the current United States Department of Justice and try to remember the days when RFK and Ramsey Clark and Janet Reno were the Attorney Generals (and weep when you look at who is in control of it now).

The National Democratic Institute (NDI) is the Democratic Party's arm of NED. It has very wide support in the Democratic Party. Below find a relevent part of the Democratic Party platform that Al Gore ran on in 2000 that calls for increased funding for NED, John Edwards and John Kerry each calling for increased funding for NED in statements they released, Jimmy Carter using NED money, Russ Feingold co-sponoring legislation for NED in the Senate in 2004, and Paul Wellstone co-sponsoring legislation that funded money through NED to support the aspirations of the Tibeten people to maintain their own identity:



6 Oct 2005

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

International delegation co-led by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter and former president of Benin, Nicephore Soglo


MONROVIA, LIBERIA…The National Democratic Institute (NDI) and The Carter Center today announced the arrival of their delegation to observe the October 11 presidential and legislative elections in Liberia.

The 38-member multinational delegation is co-led by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter and former President of Benin, Nicephore Soglo. The delegation will include elected officials, electoral and human rights experts, regional specialists and political and civic leaders from 13 countries in North America, Europe and Africa...



Council on Foreign Relations 1/13/04
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=6666

Edwards Announces New ‘Strategy for Freedom’

Author: John Edwards

January 13, 2004
Council on Foreign Relations

Senator John Edwards, D-NC
January 13, 2004
Raleigh, NC

Senator John Edwards (D-NC) today announced a new "Strategy for Freedom," a detailed plan for promoting democracy around the world by establishing an official list of imprisoned dissidents, creating new international institutions committed to democracy promotion, increasing U.S. support for international democracy programs, and reorienting U.S. aid programs to promote democracy...

... Creating a New "Freedom List." Edwards will direct the State Department to create a new "Freedom List" of imprisoned dissidents to name and shame nations that incarcerate political prisoners. Like the FBI's "most wanted" list, the "Freedom List" will draw attention to terrible international violations of human rights.

Increasing support for democracy programs. Edwards will double funding for the National Endowment for Democracy, which supports grassroots civil society programs around the world...



Excerpt from the 2000 Democratic Party Platform:

Quote:
Promoting Democracy, Human Rights, Rule of Law, and Civil Society

American values and freedoms are a beacon unto nations, and we should use the power of our ideals to foster democracy, human rights, rule of law, and civil society throughout the world. The Democratic Party believes that America must continue to work closely with other nations, as well as non-governmental organizations to promote these goals. We aim to rededicate ourselves to the defense of democracy in the Americas at a moment when it is being brought into question in Peru and absent on the island of Cuba. We will continue to work with Haiti to deepen the roots of democracy that we helped replant. We will continue to press for human rights, the rule of law, and political freedom. We will continue to support the spread of democracy across Africa, Asia, and the Middle East and the development of judiciary, legal systems, media and civil society organizations.

To accomplish this, we need the right tools. Al Gore and the Democratic Party support continued funding for the National Endowment for Democracy, Radio Liberty, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, Radio Marti, and other efforts to promote democracy and the free flow of ideas. We will build on our successful Reinventing Government program, led by Al Gore, to help other nations make their governments more responsive, more open, and more effective. We strongly support international educational exchanges. The students who come to America to study here — at the best academic institutions in the world — learn about our democratic values and institutions, our entrepreneurial skills, and our culture. They learn that Americans are noble dreamers remaining ever inclusive.

http://connecticut.smartcampaigns.com/index.php?q=book/view/108




108th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2096


To promote a free press and open media through the National Endowment for Democracy and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

February 23, 2004

Mr. LUGAR (for himself, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. HAGEL, and Mr. FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

March 18, 2004

-snip

(B) to bring together individuals and institutions to organize and focus greater attention on the establishment of new, and the enhancement of existing, free media programs throughout the world.

(6) The National Endowment for Democracy (in this section referred to as the `NED') is a nonprofit, federally funded, grantmaking, nongovernmental organization recognized by Congress in the National Endowment for Democracy Act (22 U.S.C. 4411 et seq.).

(7) The NED has historically provided support and coordination of the activities of private sector groups and nongovernmental organizations that promote democratic institutions.

( The NED has received strong bipartisan support from Presidents and Congress since it was established in 1983.

(9) The NED is the appropriate entity--

(A) to address issues related to the development of a free press and open media; and

(B) to bring together individuals and institutions to organize and focus greater attention on the establishment of new, and enhancement of existing, free media programs throughout the world.



Kerry Calls for Stronger Relationship with Latin America

6/26/2004 11:58:00 AM

...Triple U.S. Funds to the National Endowment for Democracy's Programs to Strengthen Democracy in Latin America: This would enable us to significantly increase NED's work training and organizing party leaders abroad. These funds would assist both traditional and fledgling political parties overseas to practice inclusion at the grassroots level, enable them to forge stronger ties to poor communities and strengthen democracies by broadening party participation.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=32521



To support the aspirations of the Tibetan people to safeguard their distinct identity.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

May 9, 2001

Mrs. FEINSTEIN (for herself, Mr. THOMAS, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. JEFFORDS, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. WELLSTONE, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. AKAKA, Mr. FEINGOLD, Mr. KENNEDY, Mrs. MURRAY, and Mr. TORRICELLI) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

A BILL- To support the aspirations of the Tibetan people to safeguard their distinct identity.

This Act may be cited as `Tibetan Policy Act of 2001'.
The purpose of this Act is to support the aspirations of the Tibetan people to safeguard their distinct identity.

SEC. 9. TIBETAN REFUGEES.
(b) EDUCATIONAL AND CULTURAL EXCHANGE PROGRAMS- Of the amounts authorized to be appropriated for
educational and cultural exchange programs for fiscal years 2002, 2003, and 2004--

(2) $250,000 for each such fiscal year is authorized to be available only for assistance to nongovernmental organizations, such as the National Endowment for Democracy, for the purpose of providing training and education in democracy activities for Tibetans and monitoring the human rights situation in Tibet.








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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:51 PM
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62. Sad News. Former Air America employee working for the National Democratic Institute killed in Iraq
(NDI = The Democratic Party affiliated Institute associated with NED).

There is a Diary about it at kos:
"Air America Staffer Killed In Iraq"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/18/18923/0607


Here is mainstream news coverage:

BAGHDAD — An American woman working for a U.S. nonprofit organization in Iraq to help strengthen the fledgling government was among four people killed Wednesday in a roadside ambush.

The woman, whose name was withheld pending notification of her family, worked for the National Democratic Institute, a Washington organization that advises political parties around the world.

Les Campbell, director of the group's operations in the Middle East and North Africa, said the three other people killed — a Hungarian, a Croat and an Iraqi — were bodyguards from the private security firm Unity Resources Group.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-ambush18jan18,0,6491861.story


The kos Diary says this, among other things:

"The woman's name was Andi Parhamovich, according to Randi Rhodes' personal show web site. Up until a few months ago, she was a member of the public relations department at Air America."


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:15 AM
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25. Clark was on the board.......
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 01:16 AM by FrenchieCat
and those who would mention BoogieMan NED must also know how it is set up I would guess--

Actually the NED has SEVERAL Democrats on its board some of whom were or are presently in Congress,
including: Sen. Bob Graham(Fla), Rep. Gregory Meeks (N.Y.), Howard Wolpe(Michigan), Lee Hamilton(Indiana), Matthew McHugh (NY), Evan Bayh (Indiana).

Clark was a Clinton appointee.

There are also Labor Representatives: Thomas Donahue (AFL-CIO) and Leon Lynch (United Steel of A)

The reason there are both White and Black hats is because the NED is BI-PARTISAN non profit organization funded by Congress (after 1994 it accepts contributions from private sector).

NED has been in existence since 1984, and was organized at the time to fight communism in concert with the Pope and Poland's Soledarity Movement led by Lech Waleza, Poland's first democratically elected President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/special_report/1999/09/99/iron_curtain/timelines/poland_80.stm

NED is a govermental organization, and is not some secret organization. It has been funded every year, under all administrations since 1984. Clinton/Gore did not see fit to get rid of such an organization, nor did either Republican or Democratic congress throughout to the present. Senators vote on NED funding every year.

The funds are dispursed through the following four organizations (two are Democratic/Labor & two are Republican).

"The NED sends its money overseas either through direct grants to foreign organizations or through four NED core institutes: the American Center for International Labor Solidarity (ACILS), the Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE), the International Republican Institute (IRI), and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI)." (snip)

What one wing does has nothing to do with the other wings. Wes Clark is part of the Democratic wing.

Some of the Good Stuff done by fellows who got grants from the NED (which has gotten good words from
Amnesty International):

Chaihark Hahm, (November 2001 - August 2002)
Constitutionalism and Democracy in South Korea
Dr. Hahm's project focuses on constitutional review and democracy in South Korea. He examines the role of the Korean Constitutional Court in building democracy in South Korea, using a comparative framework that considers the influence of political culture and cultural traditions

Charlie James Hughes, (May 2002 - August 2002)
A Practitioner's Handbook on Civic Education Initiatives
Charlie Hughes is the director and "driving force" behind the Forum for Democratic Initiatives (FORDI) in Sierra Leone. His project focuses on civic education initiatives in the United States which can be applied in Sierra Leone

Ramin Jahanbegloo, (October 2001 - August 2002 )
Intellectuals and Democracy in Iran
Dr. Jahanbegloo's project focuses on the role of Iranian intellectuals in promoting Iranian democracy,including the attitudes of youth and young professionals in Iran today

Yuriy Krynytskyy, (April - August 2002)
Political Technologies and the Promotion of Democracy in Ukraine
Mr. Krynytskyy is a young activist from Kharkiv, Ukraine, who serves as press secretary and head of a
district division of the "Rukh" party (People's Movement of Ukraine).

Ndubisi Obiorah, (June - August 2002)
Corruption and Democracy in Africa: A Comparative Perspective
Mr. Obiorah is a Nigerian human rights lawyer who has worked for HURILAWS, the Human Rights Law
Service in Lagos

Adotei Akwei, Ghana
Governance, Repression, and Human Rights in Africa
Visiting Fellow, July - December 2003
Mr. Akwei is Senior Advocacy Director for Africa at Amnesty International USA, serving as his organization's chief spokesperson, strategist, and liaison with the U.S. government, media, and the general public on African human rights issues and U.S. foreign policy toward Africa

Ladan Boroumand, Iran
Promoting Democracy and Human Rights in Iran
Visiting Fellow, October 2002 - September 2003
Dr. Ladan Boroumand is director of the Abdorrahman Boroumand Foundation for the Promotion of Human
Rights and Democracy in Iran. She earned her doctorate in history from the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en
Sciences Sociales in Paris, where she published La guerre des principes (1999), a book exploring the
tensions during the French Revolution between the rights of man and the sovereignty of the nation. Her project examines the prospects for democracy in Iran from a historical perspective.

Clark may very well propose closing NED activities and replacing it with a DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AID (similar to Kecinich's Dept. of Peace, but as an International dept/not so much domestic) to replace it:

Clark Wants More Foreign Aid, New Department to Handle It
Book Faults Bush for Pursuing Notion of American 'Empire'

By Bradley Graham
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 29, 2003; Page A05

A new book by Wesley K. Clark, the retired Army general running for president, calls for a major expansion in U.S. foreign assistance programs and establishment of a Department of International Assistance to manage the initiative.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14400-20...

Conservative critics bring up the issue of proportion among the four main recipients: the AFL CIO receives approximately 40 percent of available funding, while each of the other groups receives around 10 percent. That imbalance has prompted speculation that NED is in the hands of the neo-Trotskyite Social Democrats/USA, whose membership includes both NED president Carl Gershman and a number of AFL-CIO officials involved with the endowment.(5) Such political rancor is inevitable when an organization is authorized to pursue partisan agendas abroad at taxpayers' expense."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-027.html

Again, Clinton appointed Clark to that post, most likely because Clark was one of the only Military men around that Clinton could relate to. Clark embodied the type of new thinking in the military that Clinton was seeking as he tried to fashion a new Post Cold War foreign policy. Clinton never was popular with the Pentagon during his Presidency. Come to think of it neither was Clark, with the exception of maybe one or two strong backers.

Yes I think there is evil in the world but I don't think Clark is it. A Clinton appointment to NED does not establish that someone is on the dark side....and I think that he has done and said plenty that would point to otherwise.

Like this.....
The United States, however, wouldn't invade Rwanda, although Clark pushed his mentor, General John Shalikashvili, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, to push for an intervention. Shalikashvili declined after Clark told him twenty thousand troops would be required, and as Clark says now, "I watched as we stood by as eight hundred thousand people were hacked to death by machete."
http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2003/030801_mfe_clark_4.html

and he's on other boards as well.....like this one:
John P. O’Neill’s Wall of Heroes:
http://www.mindspace.org/liberation-news-service/heroes...

Richard Clarke
Joseph Wilson
Greg Thielmann
Eric Schaeffer
Colleen Rawley
Sibel Edmonds
Paul O'Neill
Roger Cressey,
Robin Cook
Glenda Jackson
Clair Short
Michael Meacher
Dr. David Kelly
Katharine Gun
Andrew Wilkie
Judge Guido Calabresi,
Nicole Rank
former U.S. Park Police Chief Teresa Chambers
Sandy Berger
Michael F. Scheuer (aka "Anonymous") US CIA
Congressional Black Caucus
Sen. Robert C. Byrd.
Sen. Bob Graham
Sen. Richard Shelby
Rep. Henry Waxman
Rep. Jim McDermott
Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Former Senator Max Cleland
Sen. Paul Wellstone
Rep. Doug Bereuter
Howard Dean
Sen. John Kerry
Al Gore
former Senator Gary Hart
Warren Rudman
Former US President Jimmy Carter
Former US President Bill Clinton
Former Lt. Gov. of Texas Ben Barnes
Former Minnestoa Governor Elmer Anderson
Col. Lew Tyree,
Spc. Clinton Deitz
Air Force Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski
Pfc. Isaac Kindblade
Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki
Ray McGovern
Gen. Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme Commander
Gen. Anthony Zinni, former head of Central Command for U.S. forces in the Middle East
Colonel David Hackworth
Larry C. Johnson
Bill Moyers, PBS NOW
Walter Cronkite, retired CBS anchor man
Helen Thomas, UPI correspondent
Charles MacArthur, Harper's Publisher
Bernie Ward KGO Radio
Ray TalieferoKGO Radio
Amy Goodman Democracy Now, Pacifica
Christiana AmanpourCNN
Howard Stern
Rick Mercier of the Free Lance-Star (Fredricksburg, VA)
9/11 Families and Families of US GIs in Iraq
Mindy Kleinberg, Patty Casazza, Lori van
Auken, Kristen Breitweiser, four New Jersey women widowed on 9/11 are demanding real answers to real questions
Ellen Mariani, widow of 9/11 victim, who is suing the _resident, the VICE _resident and others under the RICO Act
Cherie Block, whose husband is in Iraq, quoted in the Chicago Tribune: "Either he doesn't really understand what's going on, or he's not telling it the way it really is," said Block, whose husband Wallace is a sergeant with the 129th Company.
Jane Bright, whose son died in Iraq, quoted in the Guardian: "I don't care what the administration says about flag-waving and children throwing flowers. It is just not true. The stories coming back are horrific. All he told me was that he had seen and done some horrible things, that they had all done and seen some terrible things."
Jill Kiehl, widow of Army Specialist James Kiehl, quoted in Reuters: "The evidence that's starting to come out now feels like he (Bush) was misleading us," Kiehl said, holding the couple's 10-month-old son Nathaniel, born seven weeks after his father died.
Nadia McCaffrey "...a California resident, defied the Bush administration by inviting news cameras to photograph the arrival of her son's casket from Iraq. The White House has banned photography of flag-draped coffins arriving at air force bases, but because Patrick McCaffrey's remains were flown into the Sacramento International airport, his mother was able to invite the photographers inside. "I don't care what wants," Ms McCaffrey declared, telling her local newspaper: "Enough war." (Guardian)
Lila Lipscomb: "Freed from the military censors who prevent soldiers from speaking their minds when alive, Lila Lipscomb has also shared her son's doubts about his work in Iraq. In Fahrenheit 9/11, she reads from a letter Michael mailed home. "What in the world is wrong with George, trying to be like his dad, Bush. He got us out here for nothing whatsoever. I'm so furious right now, Mama." (Guardian)
And many, many others...
Business and Economics:
George Soros, who has taken out full page ads in major city newspapers in the US to document the numerous untruths in the _resident's argument unliteral, "pre-emptive" for war in Iraq.
Ted Turner, former CNN owner, who has denounced the -resident on the environment, the UN, the war in Iraq and other vital issues
George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate who
teaches economics at the University of California in Berkeley, quoted in Der Speigel: "I think this is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history. It has engaged in extradordinarily irresponsible policies not only in foreign policy and economics but also in social and environmental policy. This is not normal government policy. Now is the time for (American) people to engage in civil disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as possible."
Literature:
Gore Vidal
Arundhati Roy
Carlos Fuentes
Entertainment and Media:
Michael Moore
Dixie Chicks
Bruce Springsteen
Sean P. Diddy Combs
Eminem
Ron Reagan, for speaking the truth about the Bush Abomination during the media coverage of his father's passing
Margaret Cho
Linda Ronstadt
Bonnie Raitt
Madonna, for endorsing Wesley Clark (D-NATO)
Laurie David & Julia Louis-Dreyfus
Cher, for calling C-SPAN about her visit the maimed US GIs from Iraq
Merle Haggard
Sean Penn
Barbara Streisand
Robert Redford
Susan Sarandon & Tim RobbinsMartin Sheen
International Leaders and Officials:
Nelson Mandela, South Africa
Kofi Annan, UN Secretary General
Jacque Chirac, France
Helmut Schroeder, Germany
Pope John Paul
Jacque Cretien, Canada
Hans Blix, former UN Weapons Inspector
Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba , Hiroshima, quoted in Agence France Press: "The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, the central international agreement guiding the elimination of nuclear weapons, is on the verge of collapse. The chief cause is US nuclear policy that, by openly declaring the possibility of a pre-emptive nuclear first strike and calling for resumed research into mini-nukes and other so-called 'useable nuclear weapons,' appears to worship nuclear weapons as God"

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:45 PM
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20. I hope he's on a Dem ticket someday, I really like Clark after I've had time
to "get to know" him. :)
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:52 AM
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27. To know Wes is to love Wes!
And I Love Wes!
.......:loveya:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:55 PM
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21. Gore/Clark is my dream ticket
The rethugs could not touch either of them!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:01 AM
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28. Gore would be a great President were he to be re-elected
He is a man of the highest intelligence, honor, and integrity, and will be remembered greatly for generations to come.

I just hope we heed his advice in time.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:40 PM
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45. Clark/Feingold (or vice versa) is my dream. Boy, do we need Clark right now.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:27 AM
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29. he's a gift from God. I agree with Michael moore.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:34 AM
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30. Clark is wonderful
I was in one of those job areas that can't be outsourced (law) but I got one interview in a year and a half of looking for a paralegal job, and years of experience, 3 degrees, etc.

My former job area has nothing to do with free trade, but it's been destroyed just the same.

Unions for the ex-middle class too!!!! See the United Professionals website. They're trying.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 11:02 AM
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33. he's right
the organized labor movement needs support now more than ever
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 11:54 AM
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34. Glad Clark is Saying This
Surprisingly, he actually seems to be the most liberal candidate out there in a lot of ways.

The union movement, however, is in deep trouble. Unionized companies are losing out in a big way to imports and nonunionized companies. Survival is very difficult against competitors whose cost structure is so much lower. It gives corporations enormous incentive to engage in union-busting or offshoring, and can drive those who don't go along with the program into bankruptcy.

I have come to the conclusion that the best way to combat this is first to greatly strengthen federal labor requirements for all US employers. This would include further raising the minimum wage to between $10 and $12 per hour. Universal health care is also important because it eliminate a big cost advantage for businesses to stay nonunion. The goal is to make as many of the basic advantages of unions -- higher pay, greater benefits, etc -- common to all working Americans.

Employees would then be given greater leverage to form unions which however would operate within certain limits. Traditional wages and benefits would be fully negotiable. Employee stock ownership and arbitration of disputes should be encouraged. However, some practices that unions adopted when they were strong -- work rules, featherbedding, inability to fire for cause, etc -- are fundamentally inefficient and should be discouraged. Corporations need to be able to use their work force most efficiently and hire and fire for cause, but the should then compensate their workers appropriately.

This would create a better employment picture for hourly workers while minimizing the penalty to companies that become unionized.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:00 PM
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35. Along with Kucinich, I think he is the most Liberal
And it really surprised me to discover that about Clark back in 2003, but by now I simply accept that it is who he really is. Clark understands the strains put on people who really have to work to keep bread on the table. While he was a Colonel in the Army he still had to take a month to learn how to rebuild his own car after it had an accident, because he couldn't afford to hire someone else to do it for him. Clark gets Unions. He supports them.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:42 PM
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46. Clark is an unapologetic liberal. Don't let that general's uniform fool ya!
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 04:42 PM by tblue
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:31 PM
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36. Don't tell that to GM & Ford who are going broke
with the union wage structure compared to their
Asian counterparts.
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generaldemocrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:35 PM
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37. So unions are the reason GM and Ford are going broke?
And not because GM and Ford make sh1tty, fuel inefficient cars? What about the fact that Mercedes Benz (one of the best car models in history) has sucked ever since Chrysler bought out Daimler?

Unions aren't the reason why the automotive industry sucks in this country.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:39 PM
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38. Have you checked prices of Mercedes cars lately?
One of my rich friends just bought one for a cool
$120,000. I bought his old 10 year old mercedes for
$12,000. No wonder the new ones are having a hard time
finding buyers.
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generaldemocrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:42 PM
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39. I like the older Mercedes better....
you know, back when the Germans actually made 'em.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:51 PM
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40. No kidding...my wife has claimed the Mercedes already though...
I will have to stay with the Alero.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:43 PM
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47. Yeah! WTF?
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:52 PM
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59. Correction needed
Actually, Daimler Benz bought out Chrysler in what was called "Merger Of Equals" at the time...hence the new corporation name of DaimlerChrysler...If Chrysler, as you stated would've purchased Daimler it would've been ChryslerBenz...'er some other combination...I worked for the company then, and still do today...UAW member Local 685..we make the best damn transmissions on the planet..our plant has won the Harbour Report top ranking in FWD(Front Wheel Drive)for the past 5 years and RWD(Rear Wheel Drive) for the past 2 years...Because if we weren't the best, we simply wouldn't be working!

here's a link on the "merger"
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/press/date/19980507/press012154.html

link on Harbour Report
http://www.uaw-daimlerchryslerntc.org/resources/news.cfm?NewsID=1529
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:17 PM
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60. Daimler disappeared as a separate entity in 1926, and was never "bought out" since
Perhaps you're referring to the revival of the Maybach brand in the late 90s? Even so, I don't understand what you mean, as DaimlerChrysler has steadily consolidated after the merger.

Daimler (DMG) ceased to exist after their merger with Benz, to create the Mercedes-Benz brand.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:33 PM
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43. This man says something smart every time he opens his mouth
in deep contrast to the pResident in Chief.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:34 PM
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48. Kick for Clark.... n/t
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:46 PM
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49. This piece about the "coach" reminded me...
about something he said at the Chris Hienz thing way back in April '05 so I went digging around for my account of it and here's what I wrote at the time...

He talked a number of times about how we need to help every single person in this country to be the best they can be, that we have to work to lift everyone up, that even though we’re not all born equal everyone has to be given equal opportunities to better themselves, that it’s the responsibility and obligation of those who can help to help those who need it. He talked of how Gert used to coach the military folks who came to them who were having trouble paying bills. She’d help them try to find places where they could save, do things differently, whatever, to make things a little easier. He felt that everyone who needed it should have something like this service available to them. He spoke of how appalled he was when he got out of the military to find that there was no one fighting for those who had no power to fight for themselves. He really really believes that our country will only be stronger and better if everyone is as strong and as good as they can be...that we all suffer when the least in our society suffer. I'd heard people talking about how he felt like that but I'd never encountered him articulating it like that before...very powerful stuff. I just wish people who think he's all about the military could see him speak like this. He's just so passionate about the idea that every American deserves a chance to be something better.


I like the coach for everyone who needs one idea....His vision of what America (and the world) could and should be is just so....well, I just like it a lot. I just hope he gets the chance to put some of his ideas into practice.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:16 PM
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50. Caveat emptor! Clark is not your regular Smedley-Butler, man of the people.
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 06:24 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
He's got more innocent blood of the poor on his hands, just in South America, than most neocons not directly implicated imbroglio in the Iraq. Don't look for figs to grow on thorns or try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen09182003.html
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:31 PM
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51. Yeah, thanks for the heads-up!
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 06:32 PM by NV1962
Caveat emptor indeed... Here's the Wikipedia skinny on the author of that tripe, Wayne Madsen:

His work, frequently citing unnamed intelligence agency insiders, includes the claim that the USS Cole bombing was carried out by an Israeli submarine firing a cruise missile.

In October, 2004, he wrote an article which claimed that the Bush administration had envisioned a scenario that involves launching a military strike on Iran's top Islamic leadership, its nuclear reactor at Bushehr on the Persian Gulf, and key nuclear targets throughout the country. He also reported to supermarket tabloid The Globe that George W. Bush was having an affair with Condoleezza Rice and that Laura Bush had moved out of the White House.


Tinfoil hats ahoy!

(Oops, edited 'cuz I forgot the link)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:34 PM
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52. Sounds Cryptic and using that new DU feature on what one cannot
decipher will be useful!

Thanks for horns being what wings were once or whatever! :)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:56 PM
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63. .
:rofl:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:37 PM
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53. Another recycled 2003 hit job against Clark
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 07:12 PM by Tom Rinaldo
I actually find them amusing to read now, and here is why. When they were written, they were steeped in all of the current boogy man fears about who Wes Clark might be, which is exactly the way efective propaganda works. The first rule in politics is to define your enemy to the public before they can define themselves. There was an avalanch of anti-Clark pieces that date to 2003 and they all bear that same stamp. They try to link Clark to people's worst fears at the time, it doesn't matter if the linkage is valid. All that is needed is to create a negative association, between the target politician and something viewed very negatively by the intended audiance.

So right off the bat, this hit piece trys panning Wes Clark off as a neocon backed by the same people who backed Joe Lieberman. In September of 2003, when this was published, that fear was a plausible line of attack, so the author pulled out all the stops and went for it. Here we are in January of 2007 and everyone has lived through a bit of Democratic politics history , and has learned a whole lot more about Wes Clark.

Wes Clark is the guy who ate Richard Pearle for lunch in hearings before Congress last year, proving how dangerously wrong the neocons were, just like Wes Clark warned starting in 2002. Wes Clark is the guy who had the guts to appear in a TV ad for Ned Lamont against Joe Lieberman, saying what other Democrats were too chicken to say on camera, that voting for Joe Lieberman was a mistake, and exactly the reason why. Wes Clark is the guy who appeared in the memorable the Vets ads during the 2006 campaign with the tag line, "It's because of Iraq". Wes Clark is the guy who years before Bill Clinton made a splash by saying something similar said that George W. Bush was guilty of command negligence for not attempting to stop 9/11 based on the informaton Bush had available to him before 9/11 happened. Wes Clark is the guy that PNAC ridiculed by name for going public to warn with their Middle East military agenda.

You see now that we know more about Wes Clark, the old propaganda is laughable. It needs to be updated to make it sound plausible again KCDMIII. I'm sure there are Republican agents working on that right now in case Wes Clark announces another run for President, and no doubt you will be among the first to bring the new smears here to all of our attention, because you are so dependable about that when it comes to Wes Clark.

So let people go to your ancient hit piece and have a good laugh:

"Wesley Clark for President?
Another Con Job from the Neo-Cons"

Look at the techniques of propaganda first hand. It is instructive. Note the "unnamed sources" used for character assasination for example, that's always classic:

"According to Pentagon insiders, when Clark was Commander of the US Southern Command in Panama from June 1996 to July 1997, he was fond of "ordering" Latin American military commanders and defense ministers to appear before him. Some of the Latin American officials, particularly those from Brazil, Argentina, and Chile, refused to be bullied by Clark, whose personality is said to be acerbic."

Uh huh. Look at the emotionally heavy handed use of adjectives to try to make a point that logic can not make for itself:

" Fast forward to the Kosovo wars when Clark was NATO commander. Not only did Clark lord over the first unprovoked aerial bombardment of a major European city..."

Lordy lordy, that arrogant Clark.

Hey dinner bell just went off. I have lots more to say, but don't want the food to burn. I'll be back later to continue...

edied to clean up some obvious typos
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generaldemocrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:45 PM
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55. OMG, you are absolutely correct!!!!
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 06:53 PM by generaldemocrat
Wesley Clark did Pearl Harbor all by himself and is responsible for the sinking of the Maine during the Spanish-American War. As a Capitain in Francisco Franco's Army during the Spanish Civil War he rounded up millions of lllllllliiiiiberals and imprisoned them!!!!!!!!! Did you know that Wesley Clark's car is solely responsible for 90% of carbon emissions in this country? Wesley Clark is actually a highly placed neocon operative who is on a mission for Karl to bring down the Democratic Party!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:

Life is a conspiracy, right boss?
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:39 PM
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56. So, like he killed more than like 30,000 people himself?
"He's got more innocent blood of the poor on his hands, just in South America,"

That really is a ridiculous, unsubstantiated, fictitious statement that I would expect to hear from Dick Cheney.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:43 PM
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57. Small wonder you'd rather expect that from Cheney...
...considering it's basically the same source. :)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:12 PM
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65. That shit will rot your brain, KCabotDullesMarxIII
Wayne Madsen has already had to retract false statements about General Clark. Such as during Katrina Madsen claimed Clark's emergency preparedness firm was responsible for the NOLA Hurricane Disaster Plan. Totally untrue and Madsen had to eat his words. Caveat emptor!

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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:43 PM
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54. If General Clark
decides he can do more good by being President than anything else, I believe he will run. Just because Corpress is anxious to start their "horse race" some are under the impression he is waiting too long to decide. I don't buy that. He is a strategist and when the time is right, he will know and tell us.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:47 PM
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58. He is REALLY watering the grass roots
It's a fucking good thing that man is on our side.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:34 PM
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61. and plus, Wes has been talking publicly about bringing back
the Fairness doctrine since last presidential election......


and we need it, cause along with voting machines our system is allowed to be propagandized and fixed by corporate powers including the corporate media that it owns....and we have become a third hand democracy with so much misinformation on Unions and so many other things going unchecked for wayyyyy too long! They have deconstructed what took years to put into place, Unions being a big part of what Corporate America hates!

WESLEY CLARK SLAMS MEDIA CONSOLIDATION
"I don't think it is in the American public interest to further consolidate the media." Answering this reporter's question, the candidate said media consolidation "is damaging to putting out diverse opinions and fostering public dialogue. ... We need to distribute the ownership in media. We need to have the fairness in broadcasting rules put back in place."
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2006/12/wes_clarks_feeling_on_media_co.html
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:57 PM
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64. It's no wonder he has enemies, is it?
And some of them pretend to be something other than what they really are. The coordinated assault on Wes Clark when he first announced in Septemeber 2003 was breathtaking to watch in its savagery. Clark's comments in Alabama, about possibly running again, will be making some of those same people nervous. They want nothing more than to push Clark away from running again, and just watch for an attempted coordinated knock out attempt against Clark if he decides to run again despite their best efforts to marginalize him now.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:45 PM
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66. Correctomundo........when you add up his various stance on Unions,
Singlepayer Health, civil liberties, the right of dissent, voting reforms, media conglamoration, the MIC, PNAC, and the fact that he's been right on Iraq for so long......Yes, indeedy, they will not allow him into the sandwich currently made up of one Strong triangulating woman, an Intelligent No Foreign policy Black guy with the Southern Good looking White Guy in the middle!

They tell us that we must pick one of those.....

There ain't no room for National Security creds up the yangyang earnest talking Southern peace treaty signing "let's talk to 'em" General.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:07 PM
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67. Not by their rules there isn't
But we are about changing the rules. And now we have our own media to help us get started, and the candidate who can wake people up like a splash of cold water in the face, by actually talking about the things that matter with passion while making complete sense in a way meant to clarify people's understanding of what really is at stake, not to obscure it. They ain't used to dealing with that, and they will barely see it coming, they're so god damn smug inside their halls of power. Sneak attack!
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:22 PM
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68. Hear, hear!
Nothing would shape our country into a more progressive form more than stronger unions.

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