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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:35 PM
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What does Congress do when the president decides he is a dictator?
Current events offer a rather interesting scenario about the state of our democracy. Previously, if a president was found to be overstepping his bounds and/or acting illegally, Congress was able to perform their role to check the power of the Executive and, if needed, initiate proceedings to remove the president from office. In all previous cases, this system, with hiccups to be sure, worked. Presidents responded by submitting themselves to Congressional authority where the Constitution grants it, and in the case of Nixon he removed himself when it appeared that impeachment was unavoidable. This is because we are a nation of laws. This is what has given us such stability in circumstances that would drive many nations to revolution and internal violence.

For example, when George W. Bush stole the election of 2000 from the will of the American people, we did not revolt. Why? Because the Supreme Court (the law) approved his election. We hated it, but accepted it as something we had to live with until the next election. In other words, we submitted ourselves to the rule of law even though we disagreed with it.

But this president is different. Like the American people in 2000, presidents submit themselves to law because the USA is a nation of laws, not rulers. President Bush on the other hand, acts as if he is a dictator with no limits to his authority. He has violated the Constitution at his pleasure without apology and frequently with open pride. The only role our founding document plays in his regime is as an annoying obstacle requiring legal and linguistic gymnastics to justify his unconstitutional acts. As far as the judiciary, his agents have declared repeatedly, albeit indirectly, that President Bush is not subject to judicial review for anything he deems beyond the judiciary's oversight, which is pretty much anything he desires. And Congress? It might as well not even exist. For President Bush, Congress is little more than a body that provides suggestions for laws to be passed as he changes them however he likes before approving them, a gross violation of his office.

In short, President Bush is acting like a dictator. And since he is still in office, and continues to do as he pleases without regard to the law and so far without consequences, he IS a dictator. The sad fact is, we are currently being ruled by a dictator. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... it's a fucking duck.

If Congress were to impeach President Bush, his current behavior suggests that he would simply ignore the proceedings and stay in the White House with his hands on the powers of the presidency. He may even decide that the state of the nation requires him to remain "president" after 2008, y'know, for our own good in this time of national crisis.

The only possible conclusions to be drawn from this president are the following: President George W. Bush will continue to be the dictator of the United States until he is removed or until he decides to remove himself. He has already demonstrated that he is not subject to the law, and so impeachment would be as useless as a non-binding Congressional resolution. More and more, I am convinced that the only way this administration will be removed from power is by physically being forced from their offices.
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volstork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:37 PM
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1. K&R
:kick:
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:39 PM
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2. They can ROLL OVER!
Play dead thats what they have been doing the whole time!

Do you get the feeling these people are all in bed with each other?

K&R
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:43 PM
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5. Haven't you been paying attention?
I don't see any rolling over since we took the majority.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:49 PM
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6. They have not challenged Bush's authority.
They've made some good speeches, but it remains to be seen what they will do. And they don't have many real options. They can yank Bush's funding, or they can impeach him. Those are the only two things that might stop Bush. Anything else is just verbal masturbation.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:51 PM
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8. The Senate Judiciary hearings are NOT "just verbal masturbation"
The new Congress is the real deal.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:41 PM
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3. Impeach. Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach,
Some say we need investigations. I say we do not. Investigations will undoubtedly uncover many crimes, but the biggest crime of all has been carried out in the plain sight of the American People - Bush has discarded the Constitution and declared himself dictator. He has admitted this in many, many documents and speeches.

Bush has tried to destroy the Constitution; Bush must be impeached.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:14 PM
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20. Hear, Hear! Numerous charges are proven in the public record. Impeach TODAY. (nt)
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 02:14 PM by pat_k
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:43 PM
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4. I think it's called...
regime change.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:49 PM
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7. The system is obviously not working...
as the founders envisioned. We ahve a dictator and nobody knows what to do?
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:29 PM
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18. Yes - it's as if they're all looking at each other and shrugging.
I think that impeachment could be little more than ...

Congress: "President Bush, you must leave the premises."
Bush: "Nah, I think I'll stick around."
Congress: "Uhhh ... pretty please?"
Bush: "Nope. I like it here."
Congress: "Well golly gee, ok then."

If Bush takes this too far, he is essentially creating a scenario in which revolution is a necessity as the stability-providing system of checks and balances is broken down.

As some have pointed out, the Dem majority has just started and prior to 2007 it was essentially a Republican single-government where Congress was little more than a bureaucratic arm of the Executive in its perfect obedience and checks and balances did not exist. I may be speaking too soon (I hope) as Alberto and Condi et al do their best to maintain their dictator's untouchable power.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:16 PM
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21. DC denial is deep. Intervention required -- big time!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:46 PM
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23. Rest assured there are people working on this issue
as we type.

But know this...it's going to take time to reverse the damage done by this administration.

The damage done to the Constitution is reversable.

So, *Patience* is the word of the day.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:01 PM
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9. Well put - K&R nt
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:23 PM
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10. Whatever power the Congress has to provide checks and balances on the Exec Branch better be done
sooner rather than later because I think the little emperor has managed so far to secure so much power that if they wait too late, they won't have any power left to do anything....

Are you listening Nancy and Harry? :eyes:
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:30 PM
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11. Nothing evidently
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:35 PM
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12. I believe Chuck Hagel said yesterday...
That the reason for the "non-binding" bi-partisan resolution (today joined by Snowe) is to hopefully get Shrub to change his mind about the escalation. So right now this resolution is nothing but a calculated side show. I say calculated because it is my hope that after Shrub ignores this vote, as well as the WILL OFF THE PEOPLE - the stage will be set for a resolution with more teeth.

Yes, Shrub is not only a dictator - but an egomaniac. I question even if every rethug voted for this resolution...would he give a damn. Probably not as I believe he has an anti-social personality disorder anyway.

Hopefully when America at large see's this country IS being run by a dictator, there will be a groundswell of support to impeach (or get him to resign).
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:43 PM
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13. How many village idiots...
does it take to prove the US Constitution isn't worth a damn?
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:53 PM
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14. He already has. What have they done?
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:02 PM
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15. I'd like to see him driven out of the executive mansion as a squatter
- isn't it ironic that he should be occupying a grand mansion illegally, when people in the gulf states who have worked all their lives to put a roof over their head should have no home at all because this _rick acted so criminally during the hurricane? Oh, the anger!!!!!!!
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:19 PM
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16. IMPEACH that's what they do
If they have any guts. IMpeachment is not for misdemeanors any more.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:31 PM
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17. Oversight and Checks and balances have only come back into play since January 9th.....
the investigations have barely gotten off the ground, Bush continues to announce dumb plans that are simply slowing the Pelosi machine... however I'll stick with the Hope!!
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:25 PM
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Their oath is an individual oath. It has been their duty to fight for impeachment for YEARS.
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 02:27 PM by pat_k
It doesn't matter whether a Member stands alone or stands with others. Their duty is an individual duty. Silence is Complicity.

Each and every one INDIVIDUALLY has a lot to answer for.

Every day that they allow their fear of smear to stop them from even uttering the word impeachment, they add more horrors to their personal balance.

I don't think people undergoing torture would accept "I can't stand up for our Constitution and our most treasured American values because my colleagues aren't standing up. Your tortured body, and our tortured Constitution, will just have to wait. I've got to raise the minimum wage first."



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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:51 PM
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19. "keep their powder dry"
or, in the case of Mary Landreiu, "wait until after the speech" to decide if they want to rein him in

Our democracy is broken.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:25 PM
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22. this Congress takes impeachment off the table
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:25 PM
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24. Run away, run away!
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