Two Sides To Obama Debate

[Infinite Hope]

NEW YORK - Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record)'s entry into the presidential race vaults him into the Democratic top tier, heady company that invites comparisons to two battle-tested veterans — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards.

"Barack is in a unique category — he's young, fresh, exciting and has the ability to energize the party," said Donna Brazile, a longtime Democratic activist who ran
Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000.

...

Even as a leading black presidential candidate, Obama faces competition for black voters. Both Clintons have long enjoyed significant black support, and Edwards has won broad praise for his focus on poverty. He launched his campaign in a New Orleans neighborhood still ravaged by Hurricane Katrina to draw attention to the persistent divide between rich and poor.

At a civil rights conference in New York last week, the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton broadly praised Edwards while offering only measured praise for Obama's likely candidacy.

"All of the beauty contest formations are trivial compared to people who need jobs, job training, drug rehab, and affordable housing," Jackson said. "Whoever has the best plan, will take the most risk and the most sacrifice deserves our support."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_el_pr/democrats2008_2

[Imagevision]

1. With so much Obama hoopla, it sure seems that fresh talent is what is wanted in a candidate -

Guyz like McCain and Biden seem sooo...yesterday!!!
Youngblood with talent, that's the ticket!!

[Greyhound]

2. Isn't that the same Donna Brazile that torpedoed her own cadidate

in 2000 and is now a proud member of the new and camouflaged PNAC?

[blm]

3. The head of the DNC's Office of Voter Integrity in charge of countering RW tactics

revealed in the hearings on election fraud in 2001. Terry McAuliffe put Brazille in that office. She was in charge of securing the election process nationally. How did the DNc's Office of Voter Integrity do in 2002 and 2004?

[Warpy]

4. Sure as hell is, and it's one reason Obama has gone

from the firebrand in the Illinois lege to a bland, prepackaged candidate whose main talent is eloquence as he says absolutely nothing to indicate he has ever held a real position on any issue out there.

You can pretty much write off anyone Donna Brazile is pushing. She ruins candidates and their reputations by making them conform to the DLC/PNAC/Wall Street Democrat wings of the party.

Until and unless Obama gets the guts to become his own man again, I'm writing him off. It was a nice dream, having an educated, intelligent, compassionate, and articulate black man as president. From what I see of him now, it's just not going to be Senator Obama.

[Lord Byron]

22. I like your posts Warpy

I agree 100%

[crispini]

23. Maybe I missed it,

but I didn't gather any solid connection between Brazile and Obama from the article, i.e. nothing like "chair of Obama's exploratory committee Brazile," etc.... not saying it's not there, mind you, I'm just not getting your conclusion based on what's in this article.

[AtomicKitten]

24. just like Obama never said he didn't want an investigation

He said he didn't want to "re-litigate" the war, but has stood solidly behind the Intelligence Committee finishing the last half of their investigation on how the WH misused intelligence to take us into war, a thorough look at contracts awarded, etc.

Brazile merely made a comment about Obama: "Barack is in a unique category — he's young, fresh, exciting and has the ability to energize the party," said Donna Brazile, a longtime Democratic activist who ran Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000.

That's it, no connection otherwise, but it was used as a springboard to go off on a favorite target, a pavlovian response here at DU.

[AtomicKitten]

5. the race begins!

The race between the RW and some here at DU to trash Obama, that is.

Jackals one and all.

Gobama.

[Infinite Hope]

6. I've rarely seen DUers trash Obama.

Perhaps I'm not reading as many Obama threads as you though.

[Connie_Corleone]

7. I've seen it everyday since he filed for the exploratory committee.

[Infinite Hope]

11. Probably so.

I was just stating I hadn't seen many. Generally, I try to stay away from threads that look to be bashing. By going to those threads and responding, all one does keep them kicked. Such threads are usually better to be left to die out.

News threads and thoughtful threads are worth reading, but reactionary tirade threads are usually not.

Bashing of any candidate is wrong. Though if a particular candidate has a flaw and someone articulates that, that's a different story.

[AtomicKitten]

8. an example

Here's an entire thread dedicated to trashing Obama, the response referenced below from another DU'er on that same thread who shares my disgust and dismay at those trashing Obama (takes a second to load). In other words, my comment is legitimate and I'm not alone in thinking that way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3057163#3060723

[Infinite Hope]

13. Right.

I never said people don't bash Obama. I know full well they do just as they bash every candidate.

I browsed a few of the comments on the thread you linked to. They feel it's wrong that Obama doesn't want investigations. That's a disagreement, not bashing. People have a right to criticize a position of candidates and disagree. Bashing is when comments get thoughtless and personal.

[AtomicKitten]

14. that's precisely how trashing is perpetrated

That is not what he said. Now you can choose to believe the spin of what he said or you can choose to take what he said at face value. He never said he did not want investigations; in fact he supports the oversight (vis a vis investigations) that was never done on Iraq.

And this is precisely the insidious kind of back-stabbing that is done here at DU with the misreporting and the misrepresentation of the facts.

info from that thread you must have overlooked:
link http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3057163#3060351

I 'm posting an appropriate response to your O Bama spew

It's really inappropriate to be on a democratic board and Lie about democratic candidates.

Here is the answer to your blood curdling cry about O Bama not wanting to re-litigate how we got into the Iraq War..

The ANSWER IS clear that it has already been litigated and that O Bama's choice of words was perfectly correct.

After all, he is a an attorney. You probably won't be able to acquiesce and admit your shortcomings.I understand.

If nothing else, this post should prevent you from making a complete fool of yourself, illustrating how much you really don't know. I don't mean to sound mean. But it's really unfair for you to tarnish someones reputation at best out of ignorance or at worst out of willful deceit. Whateva..time will tell-

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repost courtesy of ripple:

Actually, it WAS litigated

There are two definitions for the term ‘litigate’:

1. To contest in legal proceedings

2. To engage in legal proceedings.

I think passing a piece of legislation could certainly be considered a legal proceeding, so that’s where I was coming from with my last post.

If you prefer the first definition, which I interpret to mean a court challenge, that occurred as well.

From the library of Congress:

www.fas.org/man/crs/RL31715.pdf

[DaveinMD]

20. why should he be different

DUers trash every Democratic candidate.

[Nedsdag]

26. How can you not see it?

It's in this thread. No names needed.

Face it people, he's not Paul Wellstone! Get over it!

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

9. Silly

If Obama spent less time out late at night with Dick Cheney selling poison milk to school kids, and more time getting to the bottom of the giant MSM conspiracy to destroy Wesley Clark, maybe his poll numbers would be higher.

[AtomicKitten]

12. By gawd, I do believe you've got the hang of it!

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

15. You learn fast on the internet

Its patently obvious you're pushing Obama in the hopes of nominating the worst Democrat possible, probably to further the Brownback/Lieberman agenda.

[AtomicKitten]

16. no, my heart is set on

Zell Miller/Lieberman ....

slogan: "Twice the Crazy"

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

17. It all works in theory

Unless of course Zell loses a duel before the end of primary season.

[Bullet1987]

18. ...

Sure as hell is, and it's one reason Obama has gone from the firebrand in the Illinois lege to a bland, prepackaged candidate whose main talent is eloquence as he says absolutely nothing to indicate he has ever held a real position on any issue out there.

You can pretty much write off anyone Donna Brazile is pushing. She ruins candidates and their reputations by making them conform to the DLC/PNAC/Wall Street Democrat wings of the party.

Until and unless Obama gets the guts to become his own man again, I'm writing him off. It was a nice dream, having an educated, intelligent, compassionate, and articulate black man as president. From what I see of him now, it's just not going to be Senator Obama.

I don't think the man has changed in 2 years. And I'm sure Obama's views haven't done a 180 in 2 years. He just doesn't put his foot in his mouth like so many other Democratic potentials. He realizes that to become President, you have to be more moderate than hardliner liberal. That's the ONLY reason the media is hyping him up...because he appeals to moderates. If he came out Kucinich...not only would the media not hype him, but he would have a hard time raising money for a campaign.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

19. Assuming this was really addressed to me

Uh, ok, sure.

[crispini]

25. .

:spray:

[beaconess]

21. Bwahahaha!!!

:rofl:

[knowledgeispwr]

10. This is key...

"All of the beauty contest formations are trivial compared to people who need jobs, job training, drug rehab, and affordable housing," Jackson said. "Whoever has the best plan, will take the most risk and the most sacrifice deserves our support."

It's more than just who's 'bright and new.'