According to MSNBC - Clark dropping out tonight or tomorrow

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

edit: just passing on what David Shuster reported, that's all. Don't shoot me. I'm not anti-Clark.

Just repeated by Russert. Also confirmed within Clark camp. Sorry guys.

Said if he doesn't announce tonight he will announce tomorrow,

[_NorCal_D_]

1. WTF?

Do you have a link? :cry:

[TSIAS]

2. I think it's coming from Kerry HQ

David Shuster just mentioned it on MSNBC.

[maddezmom]

8. the Kerry campaign is saying Clark will drop out?

ok, I'm confused. Do they know something no one else knows?

[TSIAS]

10. I just caught a glimse of it

From what I gather, they are expecting Clark to drop out. Nothing is at all official.

[maddezmom]

24. thanks for the info

if Wes says he's out, then I'll believe it. Gotta say, I really thought he was going on to WI. But this is politics...one never knows.

[jadesfire]

48. Kerry HQ hasn't said anything about Clark

please....

the rumors that have been flying today have just been sad.

i know people are disapointed (as i would be if the candidate of my choice were in their position) but come on. for people who have been telling everyone to get behind a candidate, there has been quite a bit of "i heard that kerry said..." with no documentation and no proof.

don't let the (overall) civil and intelligent discourse that has been taking place here for the last few months degenerate into this krap.

[liberalnurse]

19. I'll be sad if he does....

Clark represents the Washington outsider vote......I guess we are stuch with a boring Kerry if things keep getting called a win based on exit polls......

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

9. David Shuster on MSNBC

Say confirmed by Clark campaign people. He may announce tonight or wait till tommorrow.

[jpgray]

3. If true, that's a shame. :-( (nt)

[incapsulated]

4. Based on what?

Who says? The campaign?

[Tim_in_HK]

5. I didn't hear that

I heard the same old 'they'll have to evaluate their liklihood of winning' blah blah etc.

Definitely didn't hear anything definitive. Although it does follow their media reporting on Clark in general.

[lancdem]

6. Sad

I have a lot of respect for Clark. But he probably sees the writing on the wall.

[LiberalBushFan]

7. Thank you, Clark

You did your duty. The Democratic party has proven that it does not deserve you at this point.

[lastknowngood]

12. Hear Hear! The General is to good for the corporate whores

running the DLC/DNC cabala.

[GreenArrow]

11. will happen sooner or later

but he'll be on the ticket as VP.

[LeftCoast]

13. If true, then my condolences Clarkies...

As a Deaniac, I'll probably be joining you down at the pub to commiserate over a large mug o'beer soon enough...

[Mobius]

14. Bull

Shit
Spare me.

[abburdlen]

15. Don't see it happening

You.Must.Be.Kidding.Me Clark dropping out, not yet. Not by a long shot.

[Shanty Oilish]

16. CNN just said he will NOT drop out

reported maybe 5 min ago, 8:10 pm.

[oldcoot]

37. CBS also said the same thing

The CBS Evening News said he was not planning on dropping out.

[tishaLA]

17. Shuster didn't say that

And he was at Kerry headquarters anyhow.

Then Matthews said "he's only won one and came in second in about four and is that worth going on?" Apparently, he had gotten his memo from Edwards HQ because he forgot to note that Johnny is in the same boat.

[Qanisqineq]

18. Heard it on CNN too

coming from the Kerry HQ, I think (but don't quote me on that)

on edit: after viewing post 16 above... maybe I'm hearing things

[Professor Hoodoo]

20. As a Dean supporter...

Rumors are flying out there that Clark might drop tonight or tomorrow due his disappointing showing in the TN and the VA primaries -- if that is the case, then I admire your dedication towards Clark, and you should be proud of what you have done for Clark. I was once a Clark supporter, but once I heard that rumor, I moved over to my second choice, Dean.

I am proud of what the General has contributed to the campaign, and hope he will be in the Democratic administration in 2005. It is further my wish that you take the time to mull this over, and hopefully join me in supporting Dean as part of the giant grassroots movement to further ensure a true outsider (Dean) will be nominated for the President of the United States. Let's start this weekend, and onwards to Wisconsin where Dean needs a giant boost heading towards Super Tuesday -- let's give him just that!

Thank you, Clark supporters -- you should be proud of yourself!

Keep on jazzin'

[tishaLA]

25. So you just switched your support in the past 15 min?

(o.e., " was once a Clark supporter, but once I heard that rumor, I moved over to my second choice, Dean")

Glad you recover so quickly from disappointment. Must make dating a breeze.

[Tim_in_HK]

29. HA!

That was funny.

[DancingBear]

34. Nice!

"Must make dating a breeze". LOL

A Clark supporter, and, if my memory holds from a previous (long ago) thread in the Lounge, you're a jazz fan, too.

Can't beat that - someday I'll let you in on a little secret. :)

[tishaLA]

42. I'm a HUGE jazz fan

I wanna know the secret now!

[DancingBear]

72. OK - check your DU inbox n/t

[Julien Sorel]

26. Interesting.

I was once a Clark supporter, but once I heard that rumor, I moved over to my second choice, Dean.

You were a Clark supporter, you heard a rumor, which just started circulating, and switched to Dean. How nimble of you. We thank you for your support, and wish you the best with your new candidate.

[Professor Hoodoo]

33. My friends...

Clark has always been my #1 choice, but if Clark drops out tonight OR tomorrow (which I'm hearing from my unnamed sources from TWO different places is true which is coming from the top officials of the Clark campaign), then I'm going to Dean. I haven't gone to Dean yet until it is confirmed....

Just wanted to let you guys know that we should keep the grassroots movement alive by backing Dean if Clark does drop out....

[maddezmom]

27. LOL

keep on jazzin' Plan on it thanks. :)

[Sushi-Lover]

30. As a Dean supporter

I think your being a bit premature in your acceptance of rumors about Clark. If I was a Clark supporter your post here and on the Clark support thread would really piss me off. I suggest you take a moment to consider the negative affect of your seemingly polite overture. You are not helping Dean by letting vulturous impulses overtake you.

[slinkerwink]

21. No!

[jpgpenn]

22. MSRNC... would love nothing more!

[sillymikey]

23. that sucks

Clark was kinda my #2 pick behind Dean, hopefully he will have a position somewhere in the Democratic party come 2k5, be it VP, Sec of State, anything!

[anti-NAFTA]

32. Nah. He'll be sort of forgotten

very soon. He embarrassed all those who had high expectations for him. It started with a bang and ended with a whimper.

[jpgpenn]

38. soon forgotten , huh?

a 4 Star General who has almost given his life and has given over 35 years to ourt country will soon be forgotten? i think this post will qualify to your own thought standards!

[maddezmom]

57. Wes Clark did not embarrass me

and I will not ever forget the contribution he made to this election cycle.

Who are you supporting BTW?

[Bill of Rights]

80. Anti-Nafa

This is a Clark supporter thread. I see your Star of David. That's all I know about you. You make Jewish people look terrible.

[knight_of_the_star]

28. He will NOT

He has said he is STAYING in until Super Tuesday!

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[MuseRider]

35. I hope this is not true.

There has always been something about him that I liked, then he announced and I was afraid he was a trojan horse, but I still liked something about him. I have come to feel much more comfortable with him over this time. I may not be a supporter of his, we have our differences, but I do not want him to drop out. Hang in there all of you, my thoughts are with you if he does drop.

[Jerseycoa]

36. Thank you for the kindness, MuseRider nt

[MuseRider]

39. Hey, no problem.

He is whooping up on my guy so I know the feeling of the dissapointment. Can you guys all afford to keep him in? This is great experience for him and I would like to see him do more, get really involved and be back someday.

[DancingBear]

40. Thanks MR

We may not share candidates, but we share beliefs, and that is the most important thing of all.

[MuseRider]

True

and there are many in the Clark group who I count among my friends here. Most of you have been very fair minded and kind and we have all shared some of the trials of a fully run media campaign. Hang in there, I hope this is not true.

[goodhue]

41. sad but true

IMHO

[Auntie Bush]

43. Please tell me Wes isn't dropping out?

Our TV is out so I can't keep up on the latest. :cry:

[He loved Big Brother]

44. That sucks.

Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean was my dream ticket.

[wellstone_democrat]

67. Clark/Dean is still my dream ticket

I'd hate to see either leave the race.
I'm not enthusiastic about the "others" =----except I love Kucinich and wish he had more of a shot.

[abburdlen]

45. As of 9pm EST

Clark is beating Edwards in TN. sure it is by thin margins with 20% reporting but as we saw in OK Clark does well in these close ones.

So we have to ask:
When will Edwards drop out? :)

[LiberalBushFan]

46. If he gets 2nd in TN we better not let him drop out!

If Edwards stays in he can too! And before you ask, yes, even if Tucker Carlson thinks he should drop out!

[tishaLA]

49. Bob Dole suggested that Edwards drop out

Said that if he cant win in his neighboring state, he has to wonder where he can win. Dole says he knows what it's like to stay in the race too long.

[AP]

53. Bob Doles targets Edwards? Edwards shoudl stay in!

[spooky3]

83. Bob Dole thinks the race is over and that everyone but Kerry should drop

out.

He's a Repub. commentator.

[xultar]

85. Dole should drop dead...

[HereSince1628]

88. Is Dole aware that at the other end of Tennesee is Arkansas?

Just wondering...you never know with old repubicans...they get all kinds of confused about military service, impeachable offenses, and offenses in general.

[Leilani]

47. I will believe this

when I hear it from Clark himself.

[mmonk]

50. MSNBC and CNN have been pushing

for him to drop out before the vote count started.

[MoonRiver]

51. YouMustBeKiddingMe

Amen.

[anti-NAFTA]

52. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

"I was a general while Kerry was only a lieutenant."

Not a very honorable quote, to say the least.

edited to remove vulgarity

[xultar]

54. Thanks for the positive and thoughtful words! n/t

[anti-NAFTA]

55. What for?

Lieberman got slammed by every single poster here when he dropped out. I can't be happy that the race will be more focused?

edit: I'm not pro-Lieberman, but I view the trade issue like how others view the war. Clark, who is the most pro-freetrade of the bunch left, is to me what Lieberman was to you. I hope you understand my dislike of him.

[LTR]

56. And that was wrong too

Two wrongs do not a right make.

[anti-NAFTA]

61. I know.

But generally accepting a wrong (NAFTA) doesn't make it right either.

[LTR]

62. What does Clark have to do with NAFTA?

[anti-NAFTA]

66. He pandered worse than anyone other than Lieberman at

the CNBC debate. Before then I thought he was reasonable, but I was wrong. That impression stayed with me.

[xultar]

70. Again, I'm the one in the RED

[LTR]

76. Take a look at the issues

http://clark04.com/issues/manufacturing/

1. JUMPSTART THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR AND GET JOBS GROWING TODAY


$10,000 Job Creation Tax Credit for manufacturing and other industries harmed by outsourcing. Wes Clark would create a Job Creation Tax Credit, which would provide up to a $10,000 tax credit for each new full-time employee hired in manufacturing or other industries negatively affected by outsourcing (e.g. customer call centers) in 2004 and 2005. This tax credit is part of Wes Clark's overall two-year, $100 billion Job Creation Plan.

Stop China's currency manipulation. Wes Clark will push for what the G-7 has already supported: market-based exchange rates. No large country, including China, should be allowed to manipulate currency markets to keep its currency at artificially low levels. The reason is simple: China's undervalued currency gives Chinese manufacturers a significant price advantage over U.S. manufacturers.

Let trade benefit American manufacturers by insisting that all nations play by the rules. Americans must not shy away from global competition. Trade can increase growth and raising living standards for everyone, but only if all countries play by the rules. Wes Clark also believes we should review all of our existing trade agreements to ensure that our trading partners are living up to the provisions requiring other countries to open their markets to U.S. products, including elimination of non-tariff barriers. We must also ensure that China is complying with World Trade Organization (WTO) rules. Finally, Wes Clark believes that environmental and internationally recognized core labor standards should be an integral part of all future trade agreements. Wes Clark will protect American jobs and workers by enforcing America's trade laws and increasing funding for trade enforcement, not cutting it as the Bush Administration has done.

The Bush Administration's decision to limit a surge in imports from three narrowly defined categories of textiles is too little and too late for America's struggling textile firms. It is inexplicable that this Administration waited so long to exercise its legitimate legal authority to protect American workers from exactly the type of import surges from China that the rules are designed to prevent. Wes Clark would invoke protections for all textiles sectors that face surges in imports from China.
2. STOP REWARDING COMPANIES THAT MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS AND START REWARDING COMPANIES THAT PRODUCE IN AMERICA

Require companies to disclose layoffs in America and job increases overseas. Consumer, investors, and workers all have the right to know which companies are moving which jobs overseas. As President, Wes Clark would work to develop a system of timely reporting to ensure that we have timely and accurate information on companies that export jobs.

Stop rewarding companies that shift jobs overseas. As President, Wes Clark would eliminate government incentives for companies to shift jobs overseas.

Stop tax breaks for companies that move overseas for tax reasons. Wes Clark would close outrageous loopholes in the tax code, like the ones that allow companies to avoid taxes by shifting income to Bermuda. In addition, Wes Clark would institute a 90-day review of all tax and spending provisions affecting large manufacturing firms. The review will focus on eliminating tax and spending provisions that give manufacturing firms incentives to move jobs overseas.

"Buy American": As President, Wes Clark would strengthen America's manufacturing base by developing "Buy American" guidelines for defense and other government procurement.

Deny government contracts to firms that move headquarters overseas for tax reasons or shift substantial numbers of U.S. jobs overseas. Wes Clark believes that companies should not be rewarded for moving their headquarters to overseas tax havens or shift substantial numbers of U.S. jobs abroad. As President, he will look for ways to make certain these companies are not rewarded with government contracts.

Start rewarding companies that create jobs in America. As President, Wes Clark would seek to implement tax and spending initiatives - above and beyond the $10,000 job creation tax credit - that provide manufacturing firms the incentive to keep existing manufacturing jobs in the United States.

Work to raise standards globally, creating a win-win for America's workers and for international development. Wes Clark would work with other countries to help raise their labor and environmental standards, transforming a race to the bottom into improvements benefit for America's workers and encourage international development. This will eliminate the rush of manufacturers to open factories in countries with hazardous factory conditions, forced labor, child labor, and suppression of freedom of association.
3. CREATE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR OF THE FUTURE


Reduce labor costs by making healthcare more affordable. The National Association of Manufacturers has stated that "the rising cost of health care coverage is one of the biggest impediments to sustained recovery in the manufacturing sector." The AFL-CIO's manufacturing agenda features health care reform as a central element. Wes Clark's health care plan would establish universal access to more affordable health care, while ensuring that America's families and employers get better value for their health dollars. Wes Clark also supports a comprehensive, meaningful, and affordable prescription drug benefit for Medicare.

Promote Pension Reforms. Wes Clark will fight for pension reform to strengthen "defined benefit" pension plans. He will also explore ways to relieve companies of some pension burdens that make American companies less able to compete with the foreign manufacturers.

Lower the cost of capital through deficit reduction and tax reform. Wes Clark's "Saving for America's Future" plan reduces the budget deficit every year, lowering interest rates. Lowering the cost of capital will allow America's companies to invest and grow. In addition, Wes Clark favors tax reform that makes the tax system simpler, fairer, more progressive, and more pro-growth.

Implement regulatory reforms that are pro-market and pro-consumer. Too often, the Bush Administration has used regulatory reform to bail out corporations rather than promote true competition. As a result, regulations are standing in the way of efficiency improvements in many industries that would benefit consumers and businesses. Wes Clark would implement regulatory reforms that use market-based incentives while protecting the environment and consumers against abuses.

Increase exports by consolidating and improving trade promotion. According to the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, ten federal agencies help U.S. firms export their products abroad. As President, Wes Clark would consolidate the trade promotion activities of the U.S. government into fewer agencies, which will save money and simplify government, helping manufacturing firms get what they need from their government and enabling more effective promotion of U.S. manufacturing exports.

Invest in education and training. Wes Clark will soon release a detailed plan to improve education from cradle to grave. It will address improving the quality high schools and expanded access to college. It will also focus on improving job training programs and expanding continuing education for workers.

Invest in innovations to keep U.S. manufacturing competitive. New technologies represent the future of American manufacturing. Wes Clark believes that America needs a new and more ambitious technology policy to encourage research and development to produce the next generation of breakthrough innovations.

Expand the Manufacturing Extension Program (MEP). Wes Clark will reverse the Bush Administration's budget cuts for the Manufacturing Extension Program (MEP). This program is proven to help small and medium-sized manufacturers get the help they need in business planning and low-cost loans to be successful.

[xultar]

I'm dreaming....later tonight....my dream looks like this

(I'm the one in the red)

[maddezmom]

59. ya might want to check posters history before making comments

not everyone was nasty.

[anti-NAFTA]

63. I was talking about Clark himself.

That attack on Kerry convinced me that he had no solid platform and displeased me. It sounded like he was berating Kerry for disrespecting a superior officer.

[LTR]

65. That was not an attack

Only correcting Bob Dull.

Sheesh!

[Quixote1818]

74. That article was based on false info if it's the one I think it is

Clark cancled a fundraiser in Houston and so MSNBC took it to mean Clark was dropping out but later on it was found that Clark was flying tonight to Wisconsin. That can only mean one thing! He is staying in. Let's wait and see what happens don't let this OLD article get you down.

[xultar]

73. Again, I'm the one in the RED

[maddezmom]

82. huh

Clark never slammed Lieberman. What are you talking about? Kery or Lieberman?

[xultar]

60. I don't think referring to a DEM candidate as an ASSHOLE counts

as a slam.

It is worse...

[xultar]

64. BTW I never disliked Liberman...

:crazy:

[MoonRiver]

58. The thread's originator gave NO sources for his/her flamebait spins!

Isn't that against the DU rules? Exactly WHY isn't this thread locked?

[funky_bug]

68. Not enough people are alerting

The inappropriate threads.

If you see something that is highly inappropriate, you have to click on the "alert."

It's wealth-mindedness... plain and simple prejudice. Some people who have tea cups to cry into, just don't get the plight of those who must cry into their dixie cups instead.

[anti-NAFTA]

69. I for one saw it on the ticker that Clark was dropping out.

I didn't see the whole ticker quote, but I read that little part. It could've been Kerry's campaign that said that. I don't know.

[xultar]

71. Again, I'm the one in the RED

[WiseMen]

91. Sorry Wes Didn't do better. The best to all Clark supporters.

[MoonRiver]

84. Once I got a warning for giving the mods an alert!

Since then I've become paranoid about communicating with them.

[funky_bug]

75. You do your candidate so proud.

While you're walking through that proverbial door, don't count on the people you treated like welcome mats to throw you any kind of celebration.

If Clark goes, rest assured, we'll put our support behind whomever we have to in order to take Kerry out of this race. And we'll do it in good conscience, AND we'll gloat internally with all our being, remembering your kind, kind words.

But it's okay... Kerry has plenty of money to buy a whole bunch of tea cups to cry into.

[xultar]

77. Don't he though! Makes me wanna support Kerry, NOT! n/t

[xultar]

90. Grrrrrr

[shivaji]

78. Wake up and smell the coffee.....Kerry has it locked up tonight

winning 2 southern states finishes off Clark & Edwards.
Clark can go back to lobbying, Edwards is giving up his
senate seat so he can get a lobbying job also.

The DLC fix is in, Kerry has been annoited.
May be someday the sheeple will realize that nothing will
change in Washington unless people like Dean or DK are given
the chance to change the country for better.

Good luck my fellow democrats.

[funky_bug]

79. And Clark will be better off

He'll go back to his private life with his beautiful wife and brand new grandson. He'll make millions more, and he'll be happy. We on the other hand, will live with the memory of watching the likes of Clark, Dean and Kucinich get swept under the rug in favor of the silver-spooned Kerry with his Skulls and Catsup and Morgan Fairchild covers in the grocery store checkout. This party didn't deserve someone of Clark's caliber. I'm officially an Independant. And God help us, if we get four more years of Bush-like government... EITHER way.

[xultar]

81. The best revenge to have on the Dem party, be a Millionare and

live a happy long life.

Clark deserves it.

[funky_bug]

87. Absolutely

This party no longer represents my values. They NEVER took Kucinich seriously, they sold Dean down the river, and they ignored Clark.

They want Kerry, let them have Kerry.

Let every gay couple who wants to be married, have Kerry.

Let every teacher who loses his/her union, have Kerry.

Let every mother with a son who is eligible for draft, have Kerry.



That's what your Kerry got you.

[LTR]

86. Straight from the General's mouth

He's pressing onward!

[TheStateChief]

89. Pure Class

Watching him work the room and you can see what a great man General Clark is. He stopped at one point and asked an assistant to go get a woman he spotted crying in the back of the room. He gave her a warm embrace and promised many in the room that they would be analyzing everything and making a decision tomorrow.

Thank you General Clark for doing your duty, serving your people and being a real leader.

I guess I'm down to my last horse in this race...

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

92. It's official. He's dropping out. Here's a link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20040211/ap_on_el_pr/clark