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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:55 AM
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Well, here is a remarkably stupid idea, making the rounds
Sunday, January 21, 2007
That's the Ticket!
Bipartisan presidency could bring us together and make a real difference for the country
By Lanny J. Davis
THE WASHINGTON POST
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149192765339&path=!nationworld&s=1037645509161

As the presidential election year nears, one candidate, a shoo-in for his party's nomination, has an obvious choice for running mate. Yet he also senses the uniqueness of the moment. So he makes a risky decision: He asks a leader of the opposition to run for vice president alongside him, forming the first bipartisan presidential ticket in U.S. history.

This is no fantasy. It's the decision Abraham Lincoln made when, running for re-election in 1864, he asked his Republican vice president, Hannibal Hamlin, to quit the ticket in favor of the highly partisan Democrat Andrew Johnson.

Lincoln's experiment in bipartisanship was tragically cut short when he was assassinated less than a month after his 1865 inauguration. But if ever there was a time to give it a second try, it's now ...


If I'm reading this correctly: the last time we tried this in a polarized political environment, the President promptly met an untimely end -- not the best selling point, I'm thinking ... And if memory serves, the replacement President in that case didn't enjoy a smashingly bipartisan term afterwards, either ... Heck, come to think of it, although the original Constitution guaranteed that the President and VP would be from different parties, it was promptly amended -- cuz almost everybody thought that aspect really sucked ...
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:56 AM
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1. Didn't Gore already try this? n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:02 AM
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3. Not intentionally. eom
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:22 AM
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4. Ain't that the truth...
:rofl: :rofl:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:41 PM
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22. LOL!!
(And I love Al Gore, but that was funny. :) )
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:59 AM
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2. We have no need of criminals on our ticket.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:24 AM
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5. Wouldn't work
The Veep only has whatever power the President give him. His only Constitutional powers are replacing the President in case of death or disability, breaking ties in the Senate, and he can team up with the President's cabinet to declare him unfit for the office.

Cheney has all this power because, besides the fact that he himself is politically powerful in a connected, non-official way, the President grants him the power.

So it would be with this 'bipartisan' ticket idea.

Indidently, I find it interesting that once the Repubs lose, all of a sudden they want to heal the rift that THEY created without giving the Democrats time to fix everything that they've done!
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:59 AM
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15. Clinton's Lanny J. Davis is the author of this nifty piece.
Why would he suggest this idea? Didn't he notice how well the opposition played 'nice' when he was hanging w/Bill? That didn't work out so well! Why would he presume that they would honorably join in a 'unity government' - has the man been out of the country these last 6 years? Or on another planet?

:banghead:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011201956_pf.html

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And whether or not either party takes the dramatic step of committing to a bipartisan ticket, there could be one nonetheless. A well-funded group of national political experts from both parties called "Unity '08," led by Republican pollster Douglas Bailey and former Democratic presidential aide Hamilton Jordan, is ready to fill the void and run a third, bipartisan ticket that would be nominated online through a virtual convention.


Lanny J. Davis, special counsel to President Bill Clinton from 1996 to 1998, is the author of "Scandal: How 'Gotcha' Politics Is Destroying America" (Palgrave Macmillan).
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:33 AM
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6. Yeah, Laura and Hillary on the ticket in 2008!
In other news: Free Crack With School Lunches! Eric Heiden Breaks New Ice Skating Record In Hell! Love At Last: Mother Russia Marries Father Jacob!

National Healing®, the stuff that great lemming hordes are made of!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:54 AM
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7. Yes, and we know how well that worked out after Lincoln's assassination
Whether Hamlin would have done better at following Lincoln, it's hard to say; but certainly Johnson's being of the opposition party didn't help matters.

Getting back into modern times, I am uneasy about bipartisan tickets in a two-party system, because I think that it's pre-empting the voters' decision in an undemocratic way. Coalitions are to deal with the result of a close election, not to anticipate one. But that's just my view.



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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:03 AM
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25. Not to mention the racist Johnson ushering in
Jim Crow...

No repuke deserves a place at that table!
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:57 AM
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8. Hmmm. I smell McCain-Lieberman in this. n/t
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:00 AM
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10. That's no fair - it's supposed to be BI-partisan! :-)
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:02 AM
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11. You mean, like our Congress?
:evilgrin:
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:05 AM
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12. Supposedly, yes...
;-)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:57 PM
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20. Davis is certainly stumping for Lieberman-Somebody
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:59 AM
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9. well
this idea makes the rounds every 4 years. It's nothing new, and it's not going to happen.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:18 AM
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13. no way
No Fucking Way. McCain and Lieberman could run a ticket on a bi-partisan platform except for one thing; both parties hate them w/ a passion. And 2 War Escalators running for President and Vice-President for 2008? A Yakov Smirnoff and Gallager ticket has about as good a chance to win as they do.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:34 AM
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14. Haha! Hail the Otis & Westinghouse ticket in 08!
The best escalators in the world joining forces! :rofl:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:09 AM
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16. The buzz is that Hagel might be picked
I heard this on one of the political talk shows.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:57 AM
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19. Face the Nation... something is up
replying to my own post because Bob Sheaffer asked Hagel if he was going to change parties. He said if he runs it will be as a Republican BUT... he says there is a groundswell for some sort of new alignment. I smell something.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:45 AM
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17. simply unbelievable
First his utter ignorance is astounding. The man is a lawyer for Christ's sake. The Constitution doesn't forbid the President and VP from being from the same state. It forbids the electoral college members from that state from voting for the ticket. So under the senario he presented Clinton and Guiliani would be OK.

Second, are you fucking kidding me? Just what would the middle ground be on gay rights or abortion not to mention taxes. Why should any GOP advice be sought on taxes they surely didn't ask for our advice. Davis needs to crawl back into the hole he has been living in and let serious Democrats run the show.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:16 AM
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18. You betcha...
heck of a job Lincoln did forcing the United States together.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:04 AM
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26. ???
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:29 PM
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21. A McCain/Lieberman ticket wouldn't surprise me at all
Not that I would consider that a bipartisan ticket, but on paper it would appear so.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:02 PM
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23. In politics..
... anyone is free to try any gambit they think might give them an edge, but I don't see this accomplishing much.

As someone famously said "the vice presidency is not worth a bucket of warm spit".

In any event, if a Dem candidate chooses a Republican running mate he can kiss my vote goodbye. I'm all for pragmatism, but I'm tired of this sort of cheesy appeasement.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:06 PM
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24. Thank you! Nice to see some sense. I've been saying for a while...
...the McCain/Lieberman ticket will never happen. A loony from the opposite party of the presidential candidate will inevitably assassinate the president to make their VP president. It's all stupid. There will never be a bipartisan ticket.
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