To those of you who say you wont vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination...

[Clintonista2]

Good riddance. We're better off without you.

[mark414]

1. okay?

that's what happens in a democracy - you vote for who you want to

[stranger]

13. Mark414, I love your woody guthrie pic

I am a woody admirer also.

Like him, I loved the grapes of wrath and his book "Bound for Glory"

that said, we got to back the democratic nominee. Period.

we didnt get to this sorrowful juncture in our history in 4 or even 8 years. it began
in 1980 when a delusional movie actor who believed his own lines,
persuaded gullible romantic americans that the far right was actually the mainstream.

we got to get back to sanity one baby step at time.

The country is too big, and the power too diffuse for a revolution.

[ieoeja]

51. Then the Clintons helped.

"it began in 1980 when a delusional movie actor who believed his own lines, persuaded gullible romantic americans that the far right was actually the mainstream."


Then Clinton agreed. Instead of attempting to swing the pendulum back from the Right as everyone voting for Bill thought he would, Clinton governed from the old Right calling it the new Center. This put the Democratic stamp of approval on the old Far Right as the new mainstream Right. For every time you heard either Clinton bash extremists on the Right, you heard them bash extremists on the Left a dozen times.

[luckyleftyme2]

2. HOW I FEEL

ALTHOUGH SHE ISN'T MY FIRST CHOICE,WHOEVER IS ON THE BALLOT AND IS A DEMOCRAT THEY GOT MY VOTE;NO MORE DIRTBAG REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SPLIT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN MY AREA!
HOPEFULLY "DUBYA" HAS EXPOSED THE COUNTRY TO HOW BIG BUSINESS HAS STOLE OUR FREEDOM!

[w4rma]

3. She won't win the primary, so it won't matter. (nt)

[silverojo]

4. Great way to drum up support for your favorite candidate...NOT.

[Clintonista2]

6. She is NOT my favorite candidate, but thanks for playing

[dipsydoodle]

5. I now need a lucid explanation

as to how non US citizens would go about voting there regardless of whom they would vote for. Your "good riddance" accounts, from memory of the last geographic tally, for c. 20% of those on DU.

[LeftishBrit]

9. Good point!

I can't vote for Hillary for the same reasons as Edward!

I agree that it's up to people in a democracy whom to vote for. If I were American, I would vote for any likely Dem in the forthcoming election. I would recommend that, for the sake of the world, people vote Dem against any likely Rep. I would recommend it very strongly!!! Please
please hold your noses and vote D, is my recommendation and probably that of most non-Americans who feel that the world's safety depends on a complete Bush-ectomy.

On the other hand, the 'Labour' party in my own country have long ago exceeded my own limits and pushed me down the third-party route, so it would be totally hypocritical for me to blame others who make such decisions. Hillary Clinton, against any likely Republican, would not cause me to make such a decision. However, if (say, a generation ago) George Wallace had been running against a liberal or moderate Republican, it would probably not have been a good idea to just vote for the Dem. So I wouldn't blame people for not choosing to vote Dem in all circumstances.

[dipsydoodle]

12. Third-party route

Same here of necessity. Stuck with Claire Ward - for now.

[hippiechick]

19. Aye!

:applause:

[stranger]

7. anybody who wont support the eventual nominee is an idiot-or a repub

So of course I'll vote for her.

I prefer Edwards, Clark or Gore.

I really dont think Hilary can win the general election.
neither can Barack Hussein Obama-and most certainly not John Kerry.

I hate to say this, but I dont think any woman can win with
all this BS "war" on terror hysteria
driving so many idiots-and yes we are a land of idiots.

[Clark2008]

15. Or has a conscious.

I may vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, but I won't vote for Edwards. My conscious won't allow it.

But, it wouldn't matter in my state, anyway. He won't win it with or without my vote.

[Elidor]

50. How about your subconscious?

How's it going to vote?

[China_cat]

8. I'd vote for her

but I feel like her nomination would be handing the WH back to the R's for another 4 years.

[lligrd]

10. Heck, I Actually Admired Hillary

before she voted for to give a chimp the power to invade a country at his own discretion. That said, I'd still vote for her over any Repuke I have heard about running. And I could never waste my vote on a third party candidate that wasn't viable. Guess Hillary would get my vote if she is the Dem candidate but I sure wish I could cast the vote for someone I still admired.

[Clintonista2]

11. I'm tired of the "she voted for the war" crap.. NEWSFLASH...

Many dems voted for the war. She has since been very critical of this war.

[sendero]

14. You are the one spouting crap..

... she was very vocally FOR the war until public opinion turned against it, if not later. If you're gonna make claims that are just flat wrong, expect to get called.

[MH1]

20. They didn't "vote for the war" anyway. At least not most of those who voted yes on IWR.

That said, there are plenty of reasons to detest Hillary.

I will only vote for her if she wins the nomination (AAAAAACCCCKKKKK!!!) AND the republican is worse (not a given, actually) AND it is a close race in my state.

[SOS]

23. If you're tired now...

brace yourself for a couple of years of the Republicans shreiking "flip flop!"

[Hell Hath No Fury]

30. NOW...

you're just spouting crap. :eyes:

[rock]

16. The worst Democrat is better than the best RepubliCON

It has something to do with the stench.

[Silence Dogood]

32. Found this great avatar!

yes, I'm a newbie but a Dogood newbie.

[Lerkfish]

17. not this crap again. STFU

I've not seen anyone say they won't vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination. I HAVE seen people say they hope she isn't the nominee, or that if she's nominated we'll lose.

those are opinions you can agree with or disagree with, but to blatantly and intentionally mischaracterize them, like this, AGAIN, is a favorite ploy of some people here to divide this board.

[depakid]

24. Another "newbie"

coming around to stir up trouble.

[Lerkfish]

26. that's my surmise as well.

[Clintonista2]

38. Oh sorry, I geuss I dont get an opinion

Being a "newbie" and all.

[Lerkfish]

45. reread your first post. Who is telling other people they can't have an opinion?

I believe it was you, darlin.

[AJH032]

41. I've seen it

a lot.

[Lerkfish]

44. good for you.

I suppose that makes this f-you thread all the more worth it, eh?

[GeorgeGist]

18. Good Luck...

finding a better reason to vote for Hillary.

[MadHound]

21. By voting for a pro-war candidate, aren't you then tacitly supporting the war yourself?

Sorry, but I can't live with that sort of burden on my conscience.

Perhaps it is the party who should pay attention to public sentiment, and stop having the party leadership and DLC pushing pro-war candidates off on us as the only "electable" choice:shrug:

[Az_lefty]

22. then you can kiss your DEM Congress goodbye too...

[wisteria]

25. Fine, I will write in the name of a real Democratic leader when I vote ! n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

31. That will be my choice as well.

I am in CA and, if she can't take that state without my vote, she is screwed anyway. :shrug:

[Imagevision]

27. Good riddance?? - actually Hillary would be the good riddence, especially

when the GOP and Rupert Murdoch would love to see Hil be the Dem nomination

[Lerkfish]

28. well, allegedly you're canadien, so not sure where you get off telling

americans who actually CAN vote for american politicians "good riddance, we're better off without you".

wtf do you care, if you're in Ottawa?

[generaldemocrat]

34. How is Harper any worse than Hillary?

Did he vote in favor of commiting his country to the clusterf*ck in Iraq?

[Lerkfish]

35. dunno. I stay out of Canadien politics cause I don't live there...an example

others might find useful.

[Clintonista2]

37. Yes he did

But he was not in power at the time

[Clintonista2]

39. How do you know I'm not an American citizen?

[Lerkfish]

43. I don't. does the word "allegedly" mean anything to you?

and you state your location as canada.

:rolleyes:

[Larkspur]

29. Can't afford to vote for someone who thinks it's OK to ship my job to India

Hillary supports Free Trade with no protections for labor and the environment.

[AJH032]

42. yet, she voted No on CAFTA

but I guess if we repeat anything enough, it will become true.

Don't spread lies.

[Larkspur]

47. Here's a link to Hillary wooing India

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html

She thinks its OK for good paying American jobs to be shipped to India. I can't afford to vote for her.

[generaldemocrat]

33. If you vote for Hillary Clinton you are either a neocon

or you are too goddamn stupid because you're voting against the liberal principles you allegedly champion.

Take your pick.

[AtomicKitten]

40. wow !

It's this kind of scorched earth rhetoric that makes DU so much fun!

[AZBlue]

52. Can't wait for the primaries.

That should be pleasant.

[mrgorth]

36. That makes MARVELOUS`

political sense.

[Wizard777]

46. Hillary is the whole reason Pelosi won't Impeach Bush & Cheney.

That would make our first woman President Nancy Pelosi. Hillary would be crushed. So the quicker America shoots down Hillary's nomination. The quicker we can get to the real business at hand the Impeachment of Bush & Cheney and the swearing in of President Pelosi.

[AJH032]

60. proof?

seriously, do you have anything to back this up?

[Larkspur]

48. I won't leave. I'll work to sabotage Hillary's pro-corporate agenda

by helping elect more economic populist Democrats in the House and Senate.

Hillary can fornicate with Rupert Murdoch http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml while I help undermine her delusions of corporate gradeur

[galadrium]

49. Yeah, I'm sure well be soooo much better off with another repub in the whitehouose.

[CTyankee]

53. I voted for a 3rd party candidate once for prez and I'll never do it again.

I voted for John Anderson back in the 80s. I was very stupid; I guess I was just a bit piqued at Carter or whatever. A few years later I happened by chance to actaully meet Anderson. What a cold fish! I smiled and told him I had voted for him. He gave me the sourest look, as if to say "I should care?"

Idon't know what motivated Anderson at the time he ran but I found his message attractive. Afterwards I felt as if my vote had been wasted and I had been foolish. I still feel that way.

Right now, I want Clark. But if we end up with Hillary I will vote for her and work for her election. I simply don'thate her.

[VOX]

54. Who the hell is "we?" You just got here, and you're passing judgement on some American Democrats?

It'd be appreciated if you'd tread a bit lighter while you learn the DU ropes.

[Clintonista2]

55. You know Lerkfish has some strong points when he blocks dissent

Anyways, since you have blocked me from replying directly to your posts, I'll reply to you here. If you want to hold that kind of opinion, you are absolutley free to. This is a democratic party supporting site. If you dont like that, I'm sure freerepublic will happily accept your stance on hillary.

[Redneck Socialist]

56. Welcome to DU

Apparently you have a taste for popcorn. :popcorn:

[karynnj]

57. Isn't it early to be so confrontational at 36 posts.

[KoKo]

59. And a Canadian Flag, too!

:D

[venable]

58. my fear is the long term damage she would do to the party

I want a Dem who will move us past triangulation.

Until the party moves past this tendency, we will never fully be trusted. We need to reinvent the party as a post-Clintonian force.

Let's stand for what we stand for and let the chips fall where they may. That's my fear, a deep, sickening fear about HRC's candidacy.

[Zodiak]

61. To those of you who....

start threads that say "to those of you DUers....", try a thread title that is less divisive.

To those of you that make a thread titled as such to say "F-Off" without evidence or any fodder for discussion, I really must question whether or not you wish to be taken seriously here.

[hatrack]

62. Nice flame-bait, Mr. 26-post Canadian!!

:eyes:

[trayfoot]

63. Hey........WTF?

I am NOT saying I wouldn't vote for her IF she gets the nomination........BUT, I do NOT think she is our best choice. This is not because she isn't intelligent, capable - but she (like shrub) is a divider. Like it or not, she WILL galvanize the neocon/fundie vote. I WANT a Democratic President in 2008 - Hillary is not it!