If Al Gore can sit this one out in 08, then I can too.

[Hubert Flottz]

If Al don't care enough about the country, to try anymore, then why should I care? There is no other democrat who is running for president so far, that I would want to vote for. NONE! ZERO!

Flame me if you will, but I've welded for years and sparks just roll off me!

NO Al ...NO CARE!

[peace13]

1. I hear what you are saying.

It seems that some of the best are still waiting in the wings and I for one can wait quietly! Peace on earth, Kim

[Hubert Flottz]

2. Peace to you too Kim...

And peace to America!

[MaineDem]

3. I bet Al will vote though

No vote...no complain.

[Hubert Flottz]

7. I have voted every time, since I was old enough...(1968)

But I mean it...No Al, No Care! And NO CASH!

[Hippo_Tron]

54. That's fair, you're perfectly entitled to spend your money however you want to

And I wouldn't expect you to donate to causes that you don't care about. But as the poster above said, I certainly hope you will at least vote since it doesn't cost anything but a little bit of your time.

[Apollo11]

4. Gore is keeping his options open

I see everything that is going on right now as creating a "Perfect Storm" for Al Gore.

Hillary has been forced to show her hand a full 12 months before the start of the primaries!!

This means people have a full 12 months to ask Hillary about her position on Iraq, and why has she been so supportive of the illegitimate (p)Resident of the Whitehouse these past 5 years ....

People also have time to get tired of Hillary's campaign. What we might call "Hillary fatigue".

The field is getting very crowded and it will be tough for candidates to gain traction.

I like and respect both Obama and (especially) Edwards. But the fact is they are both relatively inexperienced and unqualified if you compare them to Al Gore. Obama has been 2 years in the Senate and Edwards was 6 years (but the last 2 of those he was concentrating on the 2004 campaign).

I respect the fact that Edwards has come clean about the situation in Iraq, and has admitted he was wrong to vote for the IWR. But I respect much MORE the fact that Gore spoke out agains the Bu$h-Cheney-Rumsfeld policy on Iraq from the beginning - in speeches going back to 2002 - insisting on giving the UN inspectors more time to carry out their mission and maintaining a broad international consensus.

There is no hurry for Gore to enter the race for 2008. He is doing a great job raising public awareness about the climate crisis (speaking to more than 12000 people in Boise today!). He is also busy working on his next book "The Assault on Reason" - to be published in May (see article below).

Depending on how things pan out, and the reaction to his forthcoming book, Gore can consider his situation over the summer and announce his decision sometime in the fall. Don't forget that Bill Clinton did not start his campaign until October 1991 - 12 weeks before the start of the '92 primaries. But Al Gore already has nationwide respect and name recognition that other wannabees can only wish for!

Unless and until Gore endorses another candidate, we have to assume that he is keeping his options open. So it is too soon for those of us who prefer Gore to switch our allegiance.

The Washington Post -- Sunday, September 17, 2006

Gore's 2008 Plans May Become Clearer After Release of Book

By John F. Harris and Shailagh Murray

Although saying he has no plans to run for president in 2008, former vice president Al Gore has nonetheless left the door ever so slightly ajar. It's a good bet that door will swing open a good bit wider come next May.

That is when Gore is scheduled to publish his next book. With no fanfare, he signed a few weeks ago with Penguin Press to write "The Assault on Reason."

As described by editor Scott Moyers, the book is a meditation on how "the public arena has grown more hostile to reason," and how solving problems such as global warming is impeded by a political culture with a pervasive "unwillingness to let facts drive decisions."

While that may sound abstract, both the subject matter and the timing of the release have an unmistakable subtext. In 2004, Gore cheered liberals when he lashed at President Bush for allegedly falling captive to right-wing special interests and taking flight from "fact-based analysis." If the book strikes a chord, it will produce new momentum for Gore to make another bid for the White House, presumably fueled in large part by anti-Iraq-war Democrats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/16/AR2006091600877.html

Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore!

In Gore We Trust :)
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com - Sign the petition!
www.draftgore2008.org
www.patriotsforgore.com

[Hubert Flottz]

9. I do trust Al Gore...

He's the only one left that I do trust.

[Name removed]

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[peace13]

10. You know people are still entitled to their own opinion.

There are plenty of threads for you to stroke your candidate. Let others talk about what they want to!

[Hubert Flottz]

12. And I haven't figured out just what you are, but I don't fuking like it!

Go and read the rules, if you can read!

[sshan2525]

39. I apologize for calling you an idiot.........

My reply should not have been ad hominem. I do, however, feel that your statement was idiotic. That, of course, does not make you an idiot. I know that I have made plenty of idiotic statements over the years and don't consider myself to be one. I'm sure that when I have made as many posts as some here have, I will have quite a repertoire of idiocy to look back upon.

[Hubert Flottz]

42. Welcome to DU...

You need a thick skin to survive here sometimes.

Only Bush and Jesus are mistake free! I wonder why Bush's quotes aren't written in the snazzy Red Text too?

EDIT...I've found that a thick head works well too!

[Pab Sungenis]

15. He didn't say he wouldn't vote in the end

...but he won't work for a candidate he doesn't believe in.

I faced the same problem in 2004. I saw John Kerry as just another pro-deficit, pro-PATRIOT-act, pro-war, anti-gay candidate. In the four issues that mattered to me, there was little difference I could see between him and Bush.

I voted for Kerry. I worked and donated to down-ticket races, but not the Presidential race. I did write a few articles here and op-eds other places with a pro-Kerry (more of an anti-Bush) slant, but nothing more. Kerry didn't motivate me.

In the end, as far as my big four issues go, what would have been different with Kerry in? We'd still be at war in Iraq. PATRIOT Act would still be in force. The deficit would still be sky high. And we still wouldn't have gay marriage. The one REALLY big difference between Kerry and Bush is that if Kerry were in the White House right now, we wouldn't have John Roberts and Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court. That difference was enough to sway my vote, but not make me pound the pavement.

It's a similar situation in 2008. If Hillary is the nominee, I'll most likely vote for her (since I see nothing but worse choices going up against her) but I won't give money, and won't work her campaign. I have yet to find someone in the field who motivates me like Dean did in 2004, or Gore did in 2000.

[Adelante]

16. Step the hell back

You have no right to come in here with your 87 posts over a year and a half and disrespect Hubert Flottz.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

25. Alright, I'll say the same thing with over 16,000 posts. (nt)

[sshan2525]

34. Did I say anything about one not having the right to an opinion?

And who the hell are you to say that I'm not entitled to mine? If you or the original poster disagrees with me, fine. BTW, I wasn't aware that your 1000 + posts made you more important than I am. Does DU assign rank according to post count? Regardless, I've always felt that in any discourse, it's the quality of words, not the quantity that should determine the value of thought.

[peace13]

38. Quality of words= calling someone an idiot!

[sshan2525]

44. You apparently have not read much political discourse......

If you had, you would realize that calling someone an idiot is rather tame stuff. Look back over history to see some real political feuds, such as Edmund Burke vs. Thomas Paine which led to Paine's trial for libel or Aaron Burr & Alexander Hamilton which ended by Burr shooting Hamilton to death in a duel. These are but two of many. I am in no way trying to compare the quality of my thoughts to the likes of Thomas Paine, but politics inspires passion in people and passion can lead to heated words. To quote the old saw: "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen". Having said this, I did apologize to the original poster so I hope this will be the end of it.

[peace13]

45. Wow!

[Alexander]

51. You, Sir, are in violation of DU rules.

Or maybe you thought calling someone "Sir" would obscure the fact that you also called them "an idiot".

Nice try.

[sshan2525]

53. And I have apologized to Hubert........

So there's no need for you to play hall monitor.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

6. But what about Gore: Sec. of the Interior?

That'd sweeten and dull Pres/VP "choices" - Clark/Feingold, Clinton/Obama, Stewart/Colbert, Batman/Green Lantern....

[Hubert Flottz]

13. Batman might not be bad...

Is he a globalist?

I heard Batboy was a Repub...

[Dogmudgeon]

8. There's more to politics than just the President

And the President isn't all-powerful, Mr. Bush's fart-lighting antics notwithstanding.

You sound burned out on it all. Take a vacation from worrying about politics and depressurize. Then do some reading, some conversing with flesh-and-blood people, and maybe some grass-roots stuff. Then you can come back to the fray, fresh.

In many ways, 2008 is a long time from now. You don't have to make up your mind any time soon. I plan to make up my own mind the night before the Pennsylvania primary election. Maybe not until I get into the voting booth. Why rush?

--p!

[wyldwolf]

11. So when the Democrat wins, they'll do it with one less vote and 10 less dollars.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. RIGHT!

DINO you mean...

[wyldwolf]

23. Are you implying everyone else running is a DINO?

[Hubert Flottz]

28. No, just some of them...

I look at their records mostly.

[wyldwolf]

31. Wanna look at Gore's? DINO as they come based on what I believe your standards are.

[Adelante]

18. Is that your new blog in your sig, WW?

I hadn't seen it before.

[wyldwolf]

22. It's my old, new blog

I've had it since last summer, and it contains posts from two previous blogs dating back to 2002, plus my DU journal.

[onenote]

17. and if Gore ran in 2012, what would you do?

Would you still support him even though he didn't run in 2008? Do his actions (or inactions) influence your view of him going forward? If he endorses a particular candidate in 2008 will you take the position that he doesn't know what he's talking about and ignore him, while all the while proclaiming your undying support for him?

Confusing.

[Hubert Flottz]

19. If Al doesn't win in 2008, I'll not get a chance to vote by 2012...

You don't vote when the "New World Order" wins out, you just shut up and bow to the super rich 1% and get back to work, before they flog you again!

No Gore...No America?

[npincus]

20. my cousin voted for Nader in 2000 to "shake up the system"

so much for sending a message.

Look, I want Gore to run so badly I can taste it. But if he doesn't, and enough of us sit this one out, do you want a President Guiliani? President McCain? President Romney?

C'mon. Emote, but VOTE.

[Hubert Flottz]

26. I was just testing the water! (like the wanna-bees do)

And DAMN...does it test positive, for piss and vinegar!

[KingofNewOrleans]

21. Who would be more responsive to Al Gore's issues?

A Democratic administration or a Republican one? Pretty simple answer.

I really don't care for the "take my ball and game home" attitude either.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. I'd support Al if he jumped into the race and I still think you're an idiot.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. I've always thought you were an idiot too.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

30. Good, then put me on ignore.

I will likely do the same.

[Hubert Flottz]

33. Okay!

[peace13]

35. Wow you are the first person that I have heard to threaten

with the new ignore. I have been wondering why the feature was necessary. Makes sense to me now. If you want to bust in and bully and then run away. Seems odd to me.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

46. Bully? No, just pointing out extreme ignorance, childishness and petulence.

Anyone who can claim Al Gore doesn't care about the country because he won't make this extreme form of self-sacrifice doesn't really deserve much more of a comment. Running for President is not exactly fun. You have your life torn apart for two years. How in the world anyone can make such a selfish comment or bastardize someone because they don't want to do this for the FIFTH time? Just asinine.

[Hubert Flottz]

48. I'm not asking Al to go to Iraq!

I'm asking him to heal his country...Edit...If he can.

[rock]

29. Al really doesn't owe us a run for president

He ran once and won, but we didn't swear him in. If we ask him to run again, we're going to have to be prepared for the inevitable question: "Are you going to count the votes this time?"

[Hubert Flottz]

32. You're right on all counts!

America has paid dearly for not standing up for Al Gore in 2000.

And I'm afraid we will go on paying.

[shortcake]

36. If Al Gore

had worked WV we wouldn't had a problem. I was up the road and over a mountain from you during that election. I was working a Dem headquarters booth that had not Gore pins or signs. We had a few stickers we put over other buttons.

It's simply not true he couldn't win WV. But we do like the courtesy of visit.

[peace13]

37. Most Americans have no clue.

It is hard to be one of the enlightened.

[Hubert Flottz]

41. Welcome to DU peace13

I hope you brought a thick skin! It will get mean around here, as election 08 get's closer.

Thanks for the support, BTW...

[peace13]

47. Thanks for that.

I have been in the wings here for many years. I am surprised however how narrow minded this board has become. I love to brainstorm and listen to what others are thinking. I think that is the way to finding innovative answers to this quagmire we find ourselves in. It is interesting to see how easily threatened people have become. Thanks for the heads up on the thick skin. Peace and love, Kim

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. People with your attitude make Karl Rove happy

[Hubert Flottz]

43. Karl would shit in his drawers if Al decided to run.

It would be Karl's worst nightmare!

Al could dig into everything that the GOP has done since 2000 and put them all away for life!

[generaldemocrat]

49. Would you vote for General Clark if he runs? nt

[Hubert Flottz]

50. I will decide on election day.

If Al Gore doesn't run. Until then I think I will put my country on Ignore. It's bad for my health to worry about it.

[Alexander]

52. The primary field looks rather uninspiring right now.

If Gore or Clark got in the race, I'd be a lot happier.

Apart from that, all the candidates thus far are either DLC centrists and/or have no chance of winning.

I guess right now I'd go for Edwards. If Obama jumped in I'd prefer him.

But I'd take Gore/Feingold, Gore/Obama and Gore/Clark over any other possible ticket.

[opihimoimoi]

55. Any Dem is better than any Pub....Bush in particular....

I would vote for Mongo if he ran...But if Gore ran again....I would wholeheartedlky support the guy....count me IN....

Pubs are OUT....

Come, we go fishing.....bring Willy

[Hubert Flottz]

57. Fishing is where I've been going, but the big freeze is here now!

You are right the worst democrat on the planet is far better than the best pub. Even Ralph Nader and Joe LIEberman are better than neo-Newt and Rat-Fang Rudy.

I'm not going to bother my beautiful mind about the little shit no more! I've got some bigger fish to fry(some eight and ten pounders in the pond)...I just have to reel them in the next sunny day.

Come, we go cook up a couple of big juicy three pound rainbow trout for supper!

[opihimoimoi]

63. Fishing is getting to enjoy nature in the best possible way...ya get food for the table

if you are lucky/skillfull enough to land a few big ones...

Don't bother your beautiful mind hounding them freepers who come to the DU to make troubles...they ain't shit...

After all, they like to win by cheatin...some kinda charactor they got...

Newt and Rudy is the best they got??? Oh my....and forget the McCain guy...he is toast for humping bushies leg like a horny moose or goose....

Come, we go eat a couple of 3 lb trout....

[Hubert Flottz]

68. Al Gore threads will bring out the old freeper kkkrud, because...

Al scares the shit out of ANY GOPer, anywhere! Repubs can't handle the truth and Al hits them right in the(butt)kissers with it! Truth to a freeper, is like sunshine to a vampire!

[DaveinMD]

56. all the folks being killed by Republican policies

don't have the luxury of sitting it out.

[Hubert Flottz]

58. I'm old and tired like Al Gore is!

Luxury is not a common item here in WV...or at least I haven't seen any.

[DaveinMD]

59. Al Gore is completely engaged in this election

even if he doesn't run. He's out there advocating for important issues and will campaign for Democrats. He's not sitting it out like you. Frankly, I think this thread was merely a cry out for attention.

[Hubert Flottz]

60. I think that every thread on DU, cries out for attention...

and so does every reply.

Why are you here?

[DaveinMD]

61. to talk politics

with likeminded people. You're thread is a call for help.

[Hubert Flottz]

62. "You're thread is a call for help"

BINGO YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT! Calling Al Gore...HELP AMERICA...it might be our last chance!

EDIT...PLEASE...Help America Al...

[Tatiana]

64. Please don't do that.

The right to vote is something that people have died for. There is too much at stake for any progressive citizen to sit out the upcoming election.

[Hubert Flottz]

67. I don't think Al Gore is going to sit this one out!

But I do think, that he's by far the best democrat in America for the job.

[aaronbees]

65. What do you think Al Gore would say about that?

Somehow, I think he'd try to persuade you to vote and do your duty as a citizen, don't you think? I love Gore but if he doesn't run there are plenty of other worthy candidates -- imperfect but good.

[Hubert Flottz]

66. Do ya think Joe Lieberman is going to run again...

I mean, with all Karl's cash behind him now, I'll bet Joementum would get at least 500 votes, instead of the 50 he got last time. If Joey had won in 2004 we'd still be in Iraq. Joe is a perfect example of WHY, we should not just vote for somebody, simply because they SAY they are a democrat and they promise us rose gardens.

Al Gore was one of the first to admit that he'd been wrong about Lieberman. Al Gore is a man who is smart enough to be a GOOD president. He is smart enough to admit mistakes and to change course when he sees that the country is headed for disaster.

No I won't quit, if Al doesn't run, but don't blame me for a half hearted effort, at backing someone who I think is not the very BEST democrat, that we have to offer the country. I believe firmly, that Al Gore could help the country more than any other democrat in America right now. Al Gore promised me once, that if I voted for him, that he would NEVER stop fighting for me. I believed him then and I voted for him. I still believe him today. He is one of the few major politicians left standing, that I still really trust.

I think Al Gore really does have a shot at being the greatest American president of them all...I have Always thought that.

[aaronbees]

71. On Gore and trust....

I surely agree with you. If he runs, he's most likely the person for whom I vote. But if he doesn't, I have to be true to the ideals he represents and the best way to see them put in action. And that's with a Democrat in office as our president. NONE of these candidates is even close to Lieberman.

[BlueIris]

69. Kick. Just so President Gore can see how loved he is.

:grouphug:

[FreeStateDemocrat]

70. Al Gore is a true patriot and will do his duty by being re-elected.

[LittleClarkie]

72. Al cares. Al tries. Just not in the way you might want

He is spreading the word re: global warming. Perhaps he just feels his efforts are best aimed elsewhere.