Is it just me, or did Hillary just bogart Kerry's children's health care issue

[LittleClarkie]

That was the first thing I thought of when I heard she was introducing a bill.

[whistle]

1. She did what....bogart ???

....What does bogarting a plan mean?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

5. Steal.

[rock]

11. I accept "steal" as a synonym

[Lerkfish]

7. apparently you're not a child of the sixties...heh.

"bogarting a clip" meant to hog a joint as it was being passed around.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. To bogart means to jump in front of.

Named after the actor Humphrey Bogart...I think.

p.s. haven't heard that phrase in a while. :)

[chaz4jazz]

14. you're wrong

Bogart was known for talking with cigarettes dangling from his lips, or holding a smoke in his hand at all times, he was mannered in the way he dealt with cigs. It ultimately killed him - he died of lung cancer in the 50s.

Bogarting a joint meant to hold tightly to the spif while others waited to have it passed around. One would hold it, puff it, hold it, pontificate with pot-induced brilliance while the rest of party waited for their toke. "Don't Bogart that joint" was the phrase most used in the 60s

Child of the 60s

Chaz

[whistle]

24. Thanks, I did not know that term, so the post means Hillary is hogging

...the spotlight away from Kerry then

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. Much better than "volcanoing the bong"

which I was guilty of at least once. (Laugh while you are inhaling and there goes your weed)

[Mass]

2. She runs, so she has to introduce her bill. (there are already half a dozen healthcare bills in the

Senate, but I guess she had to have HER bill (with a comma of difference with other bills).

This has to be the most disappointing thing about all these senators running.

They do that on Iraq, on healthcare, on energy and environment.

The only thing that surprises me is that Hillary did not yet have a bill. This is supposed to be HER issue.

[NYCGirl]

3. I always think of the Vermont Children's Health Care plan that Dean passed

as governor.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

4. I seem to recall Hillary having the "health care issue" since the beginning of Bill's presidency.

She didn't bogart anything.

[blm]

15. She never introduced a Senate healthcare bill for universal care for kids. Kerry did

as a first step to universal care for all - it was called Kid's First and he used his own money to hold townhalls and put up billboards for it in GOP districts in 2005 and 2006.

[Burnsey_Koenig]

18. No, not children specificlly But ...

UNIVERSAL Healthcare, which she tried to get passed as First Lady included children (Universal means EVERYONE), everyone else dropped adults from these plans because it's easier to shame people for denying kids health care than denying everyone.

[blm]

19. Yes. And then she became a senator. Then she fought and led on WHAT?

..

[crispini]

6. Snicker.

"Hey, dude, don't bogart my bill! Pass it around!"

She's always been into health care, FWIW.

[TayTay]

10. What was her prior bill in the US Senate?

She has been a sitting Senator for 6+ years now. What other legislation dealing with health care coverage for children has she introduced prior to this?

[Mass]

13. Everybody is entitled to introduce its bill.

We need to see what is in it and judge from there. I somehow doubt it is a big deal. Everybody knows she made such a mess of the previous bill that it set healthcare 10 years back.

[Kookaburra]

9. Snarf

Isn't politics all about bogarting somebody else's idea?

[Warpy]

12. it's the DLC health "plan"

that leaves the insurance giants in control, sucking out profit by denial of care.

Every candidate who wants DLC support has to adopt this dog.

[Burnsey_Koenig]

16. She's been about Healthcare

For a very long time. Don't you remember the whold Universal Coverage Issue when Bill was president and he gave her the job of dealling with the issue? Kerry was nowhere to be seen on the issue back then, so one could ask if he didn't bogart it from her in the first place.

[karynnj]

20. That is not true,

before Hillary had her secret task force to develop a bill so illconceived it was never put to a vote, Senator Kerry worked with his senior Senator and wrote a bill that was reworked to become the legislation for S-CHP.

In her autobiography, to balance the failure of her initiative, she takes credit for being behinds the scenes to get S-CHP which she describes as the biggest increase in federal health insurance.

Hillary's proposal here is similar to Kerry's in that they both expand S-CHP which Kerry had far more to do with authoring than Hillary did.

This is a major issue - and likely one reason Hillary would prefer Kerry not to be in the debates.

As to Hillary's idea to move the troops out of Baghdad to remote areas - called "bold" by Eleanor Clift - this was explicitly what Kerry proposed as one part of his Oct 2005 speech. Then, before there was the civil war that Kerry said they had at most 6 month window to avoid, that proposal was bold. It also took guts and the personal experience Kerry has to explain vididly enough why having the US doing policing, not knowing the language or culture was an impossible situation - hurting the soldiers and the Iraqis.

I doubt Hillary wants to debate Iraq with Kerry.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. I doubt Hillary wants to debate with Kerry. PERIOD

and I doubt few others want to either. The man is a champion (if not kick ass) debater.
Thanks for the enlightenment on S-CHP.

[nealmhughes]

17. Wow! Health Care! I thought she gave up on that a long time ago...

Maybe Rupert doesn't want to have to pay Fox employees' share of their insurance any longer...

[LittleClarkie]

23. I'm focussing on the fact that it is specifically universal KIDS health care

Last person I heard make that distinction in a bill was Kerry

[wisteria]

21. Don't know. However, Kerry introduced Kids First a while ago and his many endorsements.

http://www.johnkerry.com/initiatives/kidsfirst/

Go to the link and find out more.

[yurbud]

22. learned a lesson from hubby: say, "hey, that's looks like a good idea, I'm gone do it."