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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 04:59 PM
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How many times have Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid ...
voted to fund the Iraq war in the past?

Anyone?

So far I have Ms. Pelosi voting for funding the Iraq war 3 out of 5 times, including March 2006.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:01 PM
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1. So what's your point??
Anything worthwhile at all?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:05 PM
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2. I find "our own" especially tasty after being sauteed with mushrooms.
:-)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:07 PM
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3. I don't think they're "our own".
Our newbie may have taken a left turn by "mistake."
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:08 PM
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5. Sure ,,,
I didn't say this but it will do ...

"It is simply not credible for anyone to say that he or she opposes the war, yet votes to fund it." - Rep. Kucicich
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:13 PM
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There's an "n" in "Kucinich."
I know Dennis, but assuming your quote is correct (I've heard it attributed to others) I have to take issue with him on that. I do not see it being unreasonable to oppose the war, but since it is going to happen support the best effort possible to make it as short as possible.
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:43 PM
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13. I did support the effort ...
to end the war in Iraq, I voted. Now not a word about it ...

--- Speaking in San Francisco the day after adjournment of the Republican-controlled 2005-06 Congress, Pelosi declared -- as she had throughout her party's successful November election campaign -- that "my highest priority, immediately, is to stop the war in Iraq."

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:07 PM
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4. My point is Who is she fighting for u.s or continuity? Is she there because
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 05:10 PM by orpupilofnature57
of a call for Guidance and reason or to be a party to business as usual.Her mentioning Impeachment like it was a tool instead of being a last resort against the tyranny of unchecked Power. I took a right to get here, DLC
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:13 PM
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6. The pResident** put them in a tough position..
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 05:14 PM by Webster Green
He sent the troops to war based on a lie. He knows that legislators are hesitant to de-fund troops already engaged in battle.

Pelosi and Reid have promised "A New Direction For America"...so let see what happens in the future. It's understandable why they voted the way they did in the past.
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:19 PM
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8. Just what is the "New Direction?"
I haven't heard a single word about it yet and 53 of our troops have been killed in Iraq since the 110th Congress took office.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:40 PM
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10. I don't think they are very happy with the escalation...
They have voiced opposition to it.

You do understand the tough position they have been placed in by "The Decider", right?

Their options are somewhat limited, but with big-shot repukes jumping ship, perhaps there is still a chance that the maniac-in-chief can be stopped.

The chimp is playing politics with the lives if our troops in the balance.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:15 PM
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7. You mean including the times they voted based on inaccurate information?
That was provided to them by the Bush Administration? The information that indicated Saddam was somehow protecting the 9/11 terrorists, aiding them, had WMDs, and was planning to attack us?

That information?

If you were a member of Congress at that time, based on the information given to you by President Bush, you would have likely voted to go to war as well. The problem is, that information was wrong. And Bush knew it. Yet he allowed Congress and the American people to think it was still correct.

The messenger is the problem here, and this is what I wish every member of Congress would respond when asked about their vote to go to war:

"Based on the information given to me by President Bush at the time, I voted to allow military force in Iraq. My only mistake was believing what President Bush told me. I was lied to, just as the American people were lied to. Had I known this information was incorrect at the time, my vote would have been different."
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:23 PM
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9. Review the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act ...
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 05:24 PM by harveyc
Just political BS for those who voted for the authorization in 2002 and vote to fund the Iraq war.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:56 PM
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12. The 1998 Iraq Liberation Act sought to work with peace keepers at the UN
not to bomb the hell out of Iraq, kill thousands, and oust Saddam Hussein. There's a big difference.
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:41 PM
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14. Where does it say that? ...
Work with UN peace keepers? The only reference I find regarding the UN is ...

--- "Congress urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.4655.ENR:


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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 10:42 AM
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15. The UN was involved through its resolutions
My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions.


The best proof is the fact that military action was not taken against Iraq at that time, and the military involvement that led to the current war was not initiated per this act.
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:29 PM
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17. The point is ...
--- 2002 Iraq War Resolution - Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to -- (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

--- 1998 Iraq Liberation Act - It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.

It is clear that both resolution had the same intent, remove Saddam. Both were made, to a large extent, on the same reasons and information.

2002 authorized US military involvement, 1998 authorized US military support to opposition organizations.

The point is, anyone who voted for these resolutions and then said they were lied to or misled is either a dunce, fool, or liar.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:40 PM
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11. votes
They havnt voted to fund any war.....they voted on the use of force if necessary in 2002
and funding for the military in Afghanistan and Iraq
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:11 PM
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16. The Congress ...
has voted at least 5 times to fund the war in Iraq since the 2002 Iraq War Resolution, the last was in March 2006. All aproved. The 6th time will be coming up in in a few weeks on the 2008 supplemental.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:23 PM
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19. funding
It was to fund the troops, not a war, as war was never declared
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:54 PM
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18. Welcome to DU & good point.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:29 PM
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20. Had Pelosi not voted to supply our troops would she be Speaker?
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 05:33 PM by oasis
Edit: Changed comment into a question.
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