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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:23 PM Original message |
why the negative attitudes about the DLC/New Democrats.... |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. It is an insult but I don't care. A (D) is a (D) @ this point. As long as no (R) |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Read what their blogger writes and what Al From says when it comes |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I have seen Dean blasted from all sides from conservatives and... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. Really? Which Liberal groups tried to oust Dean as chairman after our 1st victory in years? |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
54. i said blasted by liberals wise Old whi...Democrat. nt. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. So In other words you have no solid examples of DEM Liberal groups attacking Dean like the DLC does. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. i'm sorry, didn't you coin that moniker for yourself? just using it... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Better to be called "Old Democrat" by you than to make things up like you are doing. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. i say you are a wise and Old Democrat.... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Thanks. And I say you are unable to back up your original statement. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. i asked for some sources earlier and did not get any... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You asked me for sources? Sources For what? |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. i said i asked for sources and didn't get them.. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I'm not whining- I'm demonstrating that you made shit up about Dean attacks. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. you are demonstrating your ability to whine until... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. You mean allowing you a chance to back up your OWN arguments is "getting my way?" |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. you don't debate, wise old Democrat... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You wish-I successfully proved you could not back up your false suggestion... |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. you prove everyone wrong... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. No- but I did indeed prove YOU wrong. Soundly. LOL- you cant even hold your own in your own thread. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. you debate yourself well.... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. LOL! Still cant back up your own arguments? Bottom line, I am right and you are wrong. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. bottom line....go through the thread and pick out the parts... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Pick out the parts? How about I take your suggestion as a whole, as you meant it. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. your tactics of adding words to what is said... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:36 PM Original message |
Ignored? LOL! With over 20 responses you can hardly say you are ignoring me. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
95. i love basking in your whining, wise Old Democrat... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Bask away- just know that next time you make something up... |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. ease up there, wise Old Democrat.... |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. by the way... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Could be- but I exposed your bullshit , make-up-the-facts tactics regardless. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. you exposed your tactics... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. I'll gladly let the reader of this thread (if there are any) be the judge. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. i think you are a wise Old Democrat... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Thanks- I wish I could say the same about you. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. but, who can predict how you will modify their statements... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Dr_Fate pwned k_jerome. nt. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
103. Dean was not blasted by those who oppose the war - |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
105. We could carefully parse |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Some here consider DLC types to be DINOs |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. DINO's? Bill Clinton? nt. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. I don't but others here do, see post #5 |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. NAFTA |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Depends on if you're DLC and maintain progressive positions or swallow whole DLC hook. line sinker |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. so, it is the individual candidate... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Because they have pulled TOO far right and pushed the left AWAY and |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. i have heard this...please provide examples. nt. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. self delete |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. More flamebait |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. go play elsewhere then. nt. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. she's right |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. wahhh. you can go to another thread, ya know. nt. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I don't think you're really a Hillary supporter |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. i see you doing most of the whining in this thread.... |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. you love love these little tit for tat squabbles, don't you? |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. you should start a thread, and tell everyone who you... |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why don't the Corporatist just sign up with the republicants? |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. last I looked, Al Gore was far from a corporatist. nt. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Gore was more of a corporatist before 2000. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Did you want to know why the hostility exists or did you want to start a fight? |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. i'm gonna question the basis for the hostility, whether you agree.. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. I too would like an explanation. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. Their message of corporatism and capitulation to the right has cost our party dearly. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. please elaborate on the "bullshit" you speak of. nt. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
104. Where were you 6 months ago, a year ago, 2 years ago? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. It's the all-or-nothing-at-all approach to politics. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. the DLC has that approach? nt. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. No its detractors do. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
50. No, its that anti-coward approach |
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snowbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. I like New Dems, Old Dems, Big Dems, Little Dems... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. The DLC is the bogeyman of the left...the catch all thing they can blame... |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Gee, I wonder where we would be if all we sensible centrists |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
24. After (by then) 8 years of cretinous xenophobia and |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
26. I recall it all started in the Summer of 2003 when the Dean campaign was having it's ascendency. |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. actual explanation without buzz words. novel. thanks. nt. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. See, you hit the nail on the head. "socially inept and fanatical" |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Hello, I was there, hello. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Don't dig the insult hole deeper. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. The fact that we have been 100% correct never stopped the "far-left nutroots" DLC insults- did it? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. "their support of all things Bush" |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I'm not trying to find you. You guys love to hang your hats on semantics. no? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. "Hillary's campaign people go on TV and insult others." |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. "And?" That is why hardly no one outside of the media & DLC likes her. n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. "Socially inept and fanatical" You mean like the idiots who trusted Bush and supported his war? |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
27. Because a lot of people think the DLC is more powerful |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. it seems to have a varied membership, not just "centrists". nt. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Wait until they stop the Democrats from enacting... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Easy to think that- since they are on TV disagreeing with the fact based DEMs all the time. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. Globalization is undemocratic and unprogressive. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
36. As an organization, the DLC is accurately described as "GOP-Lite" |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
37. Has something to do with their unquestioning support for Bush & his war. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
41. Oh and I forgot: unrelenting misguided counter productive attacks on the DNC. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Well said |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. One of their major policy men "Bullmoose" now works for Lieberman (R?). |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. read all about them here, they are little more than Demo PNACers |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. i will read. thanks. nt. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
74. let's see... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
75. They seem to have a slavish devotion to "Free Trade"... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
78. Shouldn't Republicans stay in their own party? |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Gore too? Edwards? Kerry? are they in the wrong party as well? nt. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Actually, Edwards was the only one of those guys I kind of |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. disagreements aside, you don't think these people are Democrats? nt. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. No. Their actions are very close to what my parents believed |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-24-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. They are democrats |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #79 |
102. DLC the organization isn't the same thing as any individual member of the DLC |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
101. Deja vue |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-25-07 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
106. The DLC is a CANCER on the Democratic Party. |
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